Coronavirus outbreak

[Boudrias]

9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Seriously? I'm out and about every day. Work, leisure, travel, etc.

Never wear a mask or gloves.

From January 31st to May 25th, almost 4 months since Covid was truly recognized as the threat it is. Some might argue it was known earlier. Ignore the idea that SARs was to give us a heads up on the issues we would face. What we are faced with today is that Canada and the USA are ramping up their economies. Ramping up because they were never shut down. The challenge with ramping up and thusly increasing the number of people interacting with one another is protection from C-19. What is the status in Canada. Testing and PPE supply is still no where close to adequate. How are we to know what the real situation is without the basics? 

[Warhippy]

9 hours ago, Russ said:

That is one hell of a different view than I thought that Ozarks looked like after watching the show!

To be fair, the image shown of the crowded pool and bar in the Ozarks was really just a family reunion.

 

It just also happened to be on speed dating or speedo day

[The Lock]

10 hours ago, DonLever said:

Pretty much it.   No one ready knows what will happen in the future.   The politicians are really winging it.   I saw an article the other day saying an effective vaccine will never be developed and covid 19 will be among us forever like the flu.  If that is the case, what next?   You can't have a lockdown forever.

 

I don't know if it's my own denial, etc, but I have a hard time thinking we may never get rid of this virus. There always seems to be at least 1 doom and gloom article. I tend to question the motives of such an article. Perhaps it has enough evidence for it or perhaps it's looking for views. It could be either. It could be both.

 

So, at this point, I would hold such articles with a grain of salt. Unless if it starts becoming more scientific, there's no real reason to believe it's going to happen that way.

Edited May 25, 2020 by The Lock

[CBH1926]

Make Canada great again.

Asian-Canadian boy attacked, blamed for ‘spreading’ coronavirus, says Saskatoon father

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/asian-canadian-boy-attacked-blamed-for-spreading-coronavirus-says-saskatoon-father/ar-BB14x0R5?li=AAggNb9

[RUPERTKBD]

9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Funny but serious question how come we never social distanced, dressed up silly and acted silly for the flu? I mean if the point is not to infect others and cause deaths why didn't we?

Several reasons.....

 

Firstly, many people have built up an immunity to the seasonal flu, but since Covid 19 is a novel virus, there is no such immunity for it. (With the possible exception of people who have recovered from it, withing the past few months)

 

Secondly, Covid 19 causes more serious symptoms (which is why there was a run on respirators) and looks to be about 3 to 4 times as lethal.

 

Thirdly, the incubation period appears to be much longer for Covid 19, (up to 2 weeks) meaning that there is a higher possibilty of being infected by someone who shows no symptoms of the virus.

 

That being said, it's probably not a bad idea to maintain social distancing during the seasonal flu season as well.

[Duodenum]

9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Funny but serious question how come we never social distanced, dressed up silly and acted silly for the flu? I mean if the point is not to infect others and cause deaths why didn't we?

Flu is a yearly occurence with vaccine options. The population has a subset that's immune to certain strains. It has a lower incubation period so you know you have it faster and can stay home. It's also not as deadly. Current medical systems can easily handle the annual flu.

 

CoViD is novel, we didn't know much about it early other than it was spreading rapidly. There's no immunity in the population and had a R0 above 1 so it spread quick and can easily overwhelm medical systems. 

 

The strain on health care is probably the key.

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Flu is a yearly occurence with vaccine options. The population has a subset that's immune to certain strains. It has a lower incubation period so you know you have it faster and can stay home. It's also not as deadly. Current medical systems can easily handle the annual flu.

 

CoViD is novel, we didn't know much about it early other than it was spreading rapidly. There's no immunity in the population and had a R0 above 1 so it spread quick and can easily overwhelm medical systems. 

 

The strain on health care is probably the key.

Thanks. However what if covid19 is the new norm?

[JM_]

13 hours ago, stawns said:

I'd wager most of them couldn't find the Ozarks on a map.

 

I'd wager most of them couldn't find the US on a map of North America

I've seen that on Kimmel. It was funny for the first couple of people but then it gets sad. 

[Duodenum]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Thanks. However what if covid19 is the new norm?

Eventually we'll have either a vaccine or it'll end up infecting enough of the population that herd immunity develops. If it becomes annual like the flu, it won't spread like it does now because of immunity. Health care will adapt (ie more ventilators on standby). Hand washing and such will probably be more prominently taught. Humanity will learn to live with it like the Flu.

[stawns]

13 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Eventually we'll have either a vaccine or it'll end up infecting enough of the population that herd immunity develops. If it becomes annual like the flu, it won't spread like it does now because of immunity. Health care will adapt (ie more ventilators on standby). Hand washing and such will probably be more prominently taught. Humanity will learn to live with it like the Flu.

Let's hope not.........unless they can develop effective treatments.  Even still, that's going to be an unacceptable number of dead Canadians

Edited May 25, 2020 by stawns

[-DLC-]

23 minutes ago, stawns said:

Let's hope not.........unless they can develop effective treatments.  Even still, that's going to be an unacceptable number of dead Canadians

And, depending on the rate of infection, could overwhelm hospitals and result in an avoidable crisis.

 

This is going to take some "maintenance" until there is a vaccine.  Opening up is for the sake of the economy but should not be at the expense of human lives.  Period.

 

There's a way to manage this if everyone does their part.  Problem is, some feel they don't want/have to and they potentially undo the efforts of others.  Weeds out the selfless from the selfish in my mind.  If you HAVE to do things...do them.  But choose carefully and act responsibly.  Socializing is great but there's no need to invade people's personal space.  I'd like that rule to hang around indefinitely.  Don't be breathing down others' throats.

 

I get it, it's tough.  My family gatherings and hockey games were the two things keeping me going and they've been changed, drastically, for the foreseeable future.  But life hands us lemons at times...doesn't mean we squirt them in people's eyes.  Make lemonade and the best of a bad situation.  The mindset of "can't" is debilitating for some but this isn't forever and the longer we drag it out, the longer we have to adhere to "guidelines".  Get it done, people.  I, too, am tired of this whole deal but there aren't shortcuts at the moment.  Be careful out there and do your part.  Don't jump back in with both feet, dip your toe in for awhile until we see how this plays out.

 

And if you're not willing to follow the suggestions, no need to gloat...just use your time to do what the hell you're bragging about....go on then.

 

If you're sitting here with the rest of us it can't be that tough to social distance...you're choosing to be here/doing that.  Funny how that works...we have the ability to connect and communicate without having to risk lives.  Much different than decades ago where people really were "isolated".

[wloutet]

I've got to tell you guys about this book I just finished, "The Lost City of the Monkey God" by Douglas Preston. Writing for the National Geographic, Mr. Preston was in on a flight in Honduras to an area called T3. This valley and the one next to it is called T1, were first noticed on LIDAR photos as possibly having ancient ruins underneath all the thickly heavily forested jungle. They flew in in 2015 and 2016, this book was written in 2017. I've been interested in ancient civilizations, both for the math course I'm writing, but also due to the books by Graham Hancock and such. In Honduras, many explorers had tried to find the Lost White City, and Preston thought that this might be it. They stayed for a week in the beginning under terrible conditions, large snakes, sand flies, rain, and terrible jungles. But they did find the city, that had apparently been abandoned abruptly. They flew out to take a break until the next year. Why am I writing this to you guys? Well in that year (2015 - 2016) about half of the members of group involved in the exploration began to get patches of ugly sores that wouldn't go away. They were eventually found to have a parasite called "Leishmaniasis" that is ugly, very hard to get rid of, actually mates with other strains and thus mutates, and has been around since the dinosaurs!  It apparently is contacted through barn rats AND sand flies. Because of global warning these guys, barn rats and sand flies, are now into the southern states and growing in the Easterly and Northerly directions. The book goes into great detail about pandemics, and how hard viruses are to manufacturer, and even mentions Dr. Fauci and the National Institute of Health (NIH). It has a warning about pandemics from Bill and Melinda Gates. What's scary is, this was all written before COVID-19 was upon us.  Fascinating, but scary.  (I had actually written "faxcinating", but saw the error. "Faxcinating" must be when you send something really interesting to a person through your fax machine!! LOL ).

[Boudrias]

8 minutes ago, wloutet said:

I've got to tell you guys about this book I just finished, "The Lost City of the Monkey God" by Douglas Preston. Writing for the National Geographic, Mr. Preston was in on a flight in Honduras to an area called T3. This valley and the one next to it is called T1, were first noticed on LIDAR photos as possibly having ancient ruins underneath all the thickly heavily forested jungle. They flew in in 2015 and 2016, this book was written in 2017. I've been interested in ancient civilizations, both for the math course I'm writing, but also due to the books by Graham Hancock and such. In Honduras, many explorers had tried to find the Lost White City, and Preston thought that this might be it. They stayed for a week in the beginning under terrible conditions, large snakes, sand flies, rain, and terrible jungles. But they did find the city, that had apparently been abandoned abruptly. They flew out to take a break until the next year. Why am I writing this to you guys? Well in that year (2015 - 2016) about half of the members of group involved in the exploration began to get patches of ugly sores that wouldn't go away. They were eventually found to have a parasite called "Leishmaniasis" that is ugly, very hard to get rid of, actually mates with other strains and thus mutates, and has been around since the dinosaurs!  It apparently is contacted through barn rats AND sand flies. Because of global warning these guys, barn rats and sand flies, are now into the southern states and growing in the Easterly and Northerly directions. The book goes into great detail about pandemics, and how hard viruses are to manufacturer, and even mentions Dr. Fauci and the National Institute of Health (NIH). It has a warning about pandemics from Bill and Melinda Gates. What's scary is, this was all written before COVID-19 was upon us.  Fascinating, but scary.  (I had actually written "faxcinating", but saw the error. "Faxcinating" must be when you send something really interesting to a person through your fax machine!! LOL ).

Very interesting. Guns,Germs & Steel by Diamond is a worthwhile read. 

[coho8888]

1 hour ago, Duodenum said:

Eventually we'll have either a vaccine or it'll end up infecting enough of the population that herd immunity develops. If it becomes annual like the flu, it won't spread like it does now because of immunity. Health care will adapt (ie more ventilators on standby). Hand washing and such will probably be more prominently taught. Humanity will learn to live with it like the Flu.

Testing.  Widespread testing is a Key factor.

 

 

[Me_]

21 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Very interesting. Guns,Germs & Steel by Diamond is a worthwhile read. 

So is his other book called:

 

 Collapes; How Societies Chose to Fair or Succeed.

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Me_

[Timbermen]

14 hours ago, The Aquamen said:

Hey Hey My My, Rock and Roll win never die. There’s more too the picture that’s meets the eye, hey hey my my.

What does Johnny Rotten have to with this?

 

[wloutet]

SNeaky_Librarian.pdf

 

A neat picture in the time of COVOD-19

Edited May 25, 2020 by wloutet

[stawns]

30 minutes ago, Me_ said:

So is his other book called:

 

 Collapes; How Societies Chose to Fair or Succeed.

 

read them both......fantastic books

[EmilyM]

12 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Funny but serious question how come we never social distanced, dressed up silly and acted silly for the flu? I mean if the point is not to infect others and cause deaths why didn't we?

People DID socially distance before the flu vaccine.

 

In 1918:

Early implementation of certain interventions, including closure of schools, churches, and theaters, was associated with lower peak death rates

Cities in which multiple interventions were implemented at an early phase of the epidemic also showed a trend toward lower cumulative excess mortality

These findings support the hypothesis that rapid implementation of multiple NPIs can significantly reduce influenza transmission, but that viral spread will be renewed upon relaxation of such measures.

source (Proceedings of the National Academy of Science of the United States of America)

 

People DID wear masks for the flu before the flu vaccine.

source

 

As for acting silly, well, our society doesn't need a pandemic to act silly.

 

People did everything you asked before the flu vaccine. And that's the stage we're at right now with covid, pre-vaccine. So we are doing it again to keep the mortality rate as low as we can.

[Timbermen]

12 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

How come China welded their citizens doors shut to keep them quarantined? How come people died on hospital floors and in the streets when the hospitals were overrun? How come they had to build massive make shift hospitals to take care of the overflow? Nobody knows? It's a complete freakin mystery?

 

You're a proponent of welding people in their homes? Hitler did that to his undesirables and then set a match to it. I think China did that so people didn't protest, remember tenement square? Remember Mau? They were trying to hide the outbreak from the world for 6 weeks remember? These people wore  those masks for years, you think they wore those because they don't care about their or anyone else's lives? To use the Chinese government to prove your point is frankly infuriating. They lied to the WHO for 6 weeks and killed the early whistleblowers. You think Communism is good? I'm not saying the virus isn't real or there isn't a threat. Just pointing out why the Chinese government has proven themselves to be untrustworthy.