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I believe that JT clarified that people who genuinely made a mistake in claiming CERB would not be charged/fined, only those who could be clearly identified as fraudulently claiming.  That leaves a loophole big enough to drive a train through, so not sure what the risk is that the poor/marginalized would be targeted.  I'm all for people being charged if they are deliberately stealing from the program.  

Where it might become murky is people who I "heard" were applying for CERB from the DTES who probably wouldn't qualify as their income wasn't likely disrupted due to COVID.  Or taxable income at least.  

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13 minutes ago, skategal said:

I believe that JT clarified that people who genuinely made a mistake in claiming CERB would not be charged/fined, only those who could be clearly identified as fraudulently claiming.  That leaves a loophole big enough to drive a train through, so not sure what the risk is that the poor/marginalized would be targeted.  I'm all for people being charged if they are deliberately stealing from the program.  

Where it might become murky is people who I "heard" were applying for CERB from the DTES who probably wouldn't qualify as their income wasn't likely disrupted due to COVID.  Or taxable income at least.  

I believe it's why I was asked to submit my ROE (thought my employer had enough brains to have electronically filed it, but no).  To make sure.

 

To KOS:   I am of the "better safe than sorry" crowd but even I recognize that we have to start somewhere and it's baby steps that are carefully thought out before taken.  I trust in Dr. Bonnie...she weighs things out before proceeding and we have to believe in her judgement.

 

There's no avoiding this completely but it's all about containing it to a manageable level.  Even if school starts in September...it's still not going to be completely "ok" and this is a trial to ensure future safety and work out the kinks.

 

I mean, we're also somewhat responsible for our own health and safety...my boss didn't provide any PPE but I brought my own.  Right now you can get 50 masks at a store in Lansdowne for $30.00.  You can make one out of cloth.  Use a bandana that you wash when you get home.  Etc.  Hand sanitizer goes everywhere with me...have some in the car, my purse, etc.  You can get it for $3.99 so if you're not getting what you need at work, you don't have to go unprotected.

 

The hockey players/associates will be quarantined and carefully monitored.  

Slow and steady is something I am behind.  These decisions have not been rushed into from what I've seen and we've done well so far...no reason to feel that our health experts are willing to jeopardize that.  They are taking very measured steps in this.

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15 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

Wife went through a year of interviews, security clearances, etc. for her job. She was supposed to start on Monday. She just got laid off (if you can even call it that given she didn't even get a chance to start work) due to budget cuts. 

That is horrible!

 

I'm applying for jobs and there's one perfectly suited to me right now that's a fingers crossed deal.  With that, I suppose they'll get 92 billion applications so not holding my breath!

 

Good luck to your wife...that's really deflating.

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4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

That is horrible!

 

I'm applying for jobs and there's one perfectly suited to me right now that's a fingers crossed deal.  With that, I suppose they'll get 92 billion applications so not holding my breath!

 

Good luck to your wife...that's really deflating.

Thanks Deb. She's spent a lot of time building to this. Four years of undergrad. Another year for an Honors. Two years for an MA. 4.5 years for a PhD. It's been a long journey for her to have her dream taken away before she even got a taste. 

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29 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

Wife went through a year of interviews, security clearances, etc. for her job. She was supposed to start on Monday. She just got laid off (if you can even call it that given she didn't even get a chance to start work) due to budget cuts. 

Did she sign a contract?

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32 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

Thanks Deb. She's spent a lot of time building to this. Four years of undergrad. Another year for an Honors. Two years for an MA. 4.5 years for a PhD. It's been a long journey for her to have her dream taken away before she even got a taste. 

Her dreams aren’t taken away. The system is on pause.

 

Keep supporting her everyday to ease the ailment of perceived failure. 
 

Getting to a Ph.D is success by itself. It’ll come around.

 

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13 hours ago, Master Mind said:

The players and staff would be regularly tested, and contained to their hub. It's not like the players would be out and about interacting with the public.

 

Actually I think this is false, once the 14 day quarantine ends they are free to be out and about with the public.  

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8 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

I find that hard to believe.

 

Have a source stating that's the case?

The TSN 1040 interpretation was similar to what Tre Mac said.  As far as the province is concerned, once the 14 days are up they would be treated like any other citizen of BC.  And that makes sense as, after a 14 day quarantine, you're not going to be bringing anything in from outside BC

 

The NHL may not want that though, as having players and family out of the bubble would increase the likelyhood of someone catching it.

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9 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

I find that hard to believe.

 

Have a source stating that's the case?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-ready-to-welcome-nhl-after-b-c-premier-announces-revised-quarantine-plan-1.5606848

 

They will be free to be out in public after 14 day quarantine period.  I doubt any player will be careless about exposure to the virus.  He would be putting his entire team at risk and possibly suspending the team from SC games.

 

Personally, I really don't care if they play in Vancouver or not.  With no fans in the bleachers, there will be no difference wherever they play. The benefit to the city won't be all that much.  Arena, hotel, transportation, security, catering; can't think of much else.

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5 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

The TSN 1040 interpretation was similar to what Tre Mac said.  As far as the province is concerned, once the 14 days are up they would be treated like any other citizen of BC.  And that makes sense as, after a 14 day quarantine, you're not going to be bringing anything in from outside BC

 

The NHL may not want that though, as having players and family out of the bubble would increase the likelyhood of someone catching it.

I thought the intention would have been to, not only prevent spread of the virus from other places to here, but also to prevent the spread of the infection among hockey players among potentially anyone from here? I guess my question is shouldn't we also be protecting the players here?

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35 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

Actually I think this is false, once the 14 day quarantine ends they are free to be out and about with the public.  

Sounds like the federal government will be announcing an amendment to the 14 day quarantine in the next few days.

 

Would put Vancouver near the top of the NHLs list I would think.

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BC schools have less than 30% of students attending.  BC university's move to only online classes.

BC Hospital have massive back logs of surgery and procedures..

Record number of people dying right now on our streets with the drug crisis going on....

 

Solution

 

Horgan thinks hockey players are an essential services and lets put our resources into hockey during the summer....

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7 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

 

 

The NHL may not want that though, as having players and family out of the bubble would increase the likelyhood of someone catching it.

At the very least, I would imagine the teams themselves might invoke some measures so as their own assets don't put themselves at risk.  If I'm JB, I'm requiring (or 'encouraging' if the CBA does't allow for 'require') my players to limit contact with anyone outside of their own families and/or team personnel when the season resumes.

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3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

BC schools have less than 30% of students attending.  BC university's move to only online classes.

BC Hospital have massive back logs of surgery and procedures..

Record number of people dying right now on our streets with the drug crisis going on....

 

Solution

 

Horgan thinks hockey players are an essential services and lets put our resources into hockey during the summer....

What resources is he putting in?

 

He wrote a letter to the commissioner and talked to Trudeau about relaxing the 14 day quarantine. 
 

All those things you mentioned are unrelated to hockey coming back.

 

This is a fight you’re not gonna win.

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6 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

BC schools have less than 30% of students attending.  BC university's move to only online classes.

BC Hospital have massive back logs of surgery and procedures..

Record number of people dying right now on our streets with the drug crisis going on....

 

Solution

 

Horgan thinks hockey players are an essential services and lets put our resources into hockey during the summer....

Can we relate this to Skittles while we're at it? I have a craving for them suddenly and I don't know why.

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1 minute ago, Fanuck said:

At the very least, I would imagine the teams themselves might invoke some measures so as their own assets don't put themselves at risk.  If I'm JB, I'm requiring (or 'encouraging' if the CBA does't allow for 'require') my players to limit contact with anyone outside of their own families and/or team personnel when the season resumes.

Totally, but that aspect of it is on the NHL to do, not necessarily the Province.

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