kingofsurrey 8,357 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, HKSR said: It was a political move if anything... allow parents that want to send kids back to school to be able to do so. Those that want their kids to stay home can do so as well. Curriculum wasn't being followed, so no big deal. Pretty brutal for teachers and the support staff that were required to go into work. Sending workers / kids into dangerous Pandemic conditions without PPE is just wrong...... NDP used to have quite a bit of support from workers in BC......... Edited June 25, 2020 by kingofsurrey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skategal 1,846 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, trek said: Today's update from BC had a teacher in Fraser Health region test positive. KOS is going to be pissed. As Paul Harvey said...the rest of the story. The teacher was exposed to the virus in a social setting, found through contact tracing, was not infected in a school setting. Before KOS and others collectively gather up pitchforks and torches..... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingofsurrey 8,357 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, skategal said: As Paul Harvey said...the rest of the story. The teacher was exposed to the virus in a social setting, found through contact tracing, was not infected in a school setting. Before KOS and others collectively gather up pitchforks and torches..... I think the issue was having kids sent in each day to work with the teacher. No PPE provided. No temp testing on anyone... Before posters like skategal.... start defending risky gov decisions.... Edited June 25, 2020 by kingofsurrey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HKSR 3,140 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Just now, skategal said: As Paul Harvey said...the rest of the story. The teacher was exposed to the virus in a social setting, found through contact tracing, was not infected in a school setting. Before KOS and others collectively gather up pitchforks and torches..... I don't think that's the issue. The issue is the teacher may have gone into work while asymptomatic but infectious.. which places kids, teachers, and other staff at risk in a work setting that is particularly difficult to keep safe (ie. lack of PPE, physical distancing ability of children, etc). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skategal 1,846 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I think the issue was having kids sent in each day to work with the teacher. No PPE provided. No temp testing on anyone... Before posters like skategal.... start defending risky gov decisions.... Sorry, I've tried several times to provide a response but anything I type sounds like I'm attacking you and trying to inflame the situation when that isn't my intent. I just prefer to look at all sides of an issue rather than take an entrenched position. I still don't think the government decision was all that risky. For a variety of reasons that I and others have provided. I guess that's what makes for healthy debate as we all come at issues from different points of view. I doubt that you're going to change yours, I'm probably not going to change mine unless there is a body of evidence that indicates that the government decision was wrong, so far I haven't seen that. 2 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 5,759 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, skategal said: Sorry, I've tried several times to provide a response but anything I type sounds like I'm attacking you and trying to inflame the situation when that isn't my intent. I just prefer to look at all sides of an issue rather than take an entrenched position. I still don't think the government decision was all that risky. For a variety of reasons that I and others have provided. I guess that's what makes for healthy debate as we all come at issues from different points of view. I doubt that you're going to change yours, I'm probably not going to change mine unless there is a body of evidence that indicates that the government decision was wrong, so far I haven't seen that. Unfortunately, I've realized that some of my more distant neighbours hold unpopular opinions about COVID19 (or the belief that it's a conspiracy). It's very disappointing to see because they honestly believe in what they are spouting. People who hold "entrenched" positions often have been wrong/disproven, but they refuse to admit it. It's kind of like how people who claim to be Conservatives blame the libs for everything. Or the liberals blaming Conservatives. This type of discussion doesn't get anywhere because it's filled with arguments that are circular in logic, or custom tailored to fit a certain narrative. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostsof1915 34,515 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/25/tesla-plant-firings/ Elon can be a real @sshole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timbermen 922 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Why is to that there's been tons of outbreaks at nursing homes after they've been quarantined from their family's for 3 months, not even being allowed to say their last goodbyes on their deathbeds. If they aren't getting it from them, where do they get it from? Did one of them escape? The workers are also quarantined from their family, so how is there all these outbreaks after 3 months of quarantining? Many people have pointed out that family members that were corona cases died from other ailments, why does youtube and FB take those down as well as medical professionals that have uploaded vids of what they see at work? I saw half a dozen doctors say that malaria Q drug works, their opinion isn't good enough? Being on the front lines, they're not allowed to upload a video of what they see? Why doesn't the virus effect BLM protesters or Chaz but it does Trump supporters protesting the virus? Is it being used for politics by the dems? Sure seems that way to me, considering how many cases in the US. Someone please give me a rational response and not some FB memes, please? Change my mind by using reason, not an emotional knee jerk reaction. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo 2,785 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Timbermen said: Why is to that there's been tons of outbreaks at nursing homes after they've been quarantined from their family's for 3 months, not even being allowed to say their last goodbyes on their deathbeds. If they aren't getting it from them, where do they get it from? Did one of them escape? The workers are also quarantined from their family, so how is there all these outbreaks after 3 months of quarantining? Many people have pointed out that family members that were corona cases died from other ailments, why does youtube and FB take those down as well as medical professionals that have uploaded vids of what they see at work? I saw half a dozen doctors say that malaria Q drug works, their opinion isn't good enough? Being on the front lines, they're not allowed to upload a video of what they see? Why doesn't the virus effect BLM protesters or Chaz but it does Trump supporters protesting the virus? Is it being used for politics by the dems? Sure seems that way to me, considering how many cases in the US. Someone please give me a rational response and not some FB memes, please? Change my mind by using reason, not an emotional knee jerk reaction. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingofsurrey 8,357 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, skategal said: Sorry, I've tried several times to provide a response but anything I type sounds like I'm attacking you and trying to inflame the situation when that isn't my intent. I just prefer to look at all sides of an issue rather than take an entrenched position. I still don't think the government decision was all that risky. For a variety of reasons that I and others have provided. I guess that's what makes for healthy debate as we all come at issues from different points of view. I doubt that you're going to change yours, I'm probably not going to change mine unless there is a body of evidence that indicates that the government decision was wrong, so far I haven't seen that. No PPE worn or used by kids or staff. No hand sanitizer provided. No temperatture testing done on staff / students Sick kids returning the next day with no covid test done / required. Excuse me, but it is extremely risky and many of us expect more from our Government . Lucky for us all... that only 15% of gr. 6-12 students / parents supported the govenments risky plan.. We are in the middle of the worst pandemic in the last 100 years..... people need to stay SMART and stay SAFE. USE PPE when you are indoors around others.... Do not discount PPE / masks ... thats only fuelling peoples dangerous irresponsible behaviours.... Edited June 26, 2020 by kingofsurrey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timbermen 922 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: There has been doctors who've spent their entire careers studying infectious diseases saying these things and youtube deletes them? Do you know more than this guy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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stawns 23,039 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Grapefruits said: 1 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spur1 3,638 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 US hits new record for cases ... 40,000+ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieCanuckFan 10,337 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, Grapefruits said: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo 2,785 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, Timbermen said: There has been doctors who've spent their entire careers studying infectious diseases saying these things and youtube deletes them? Do you know more than this guy? These antivax nutbars? You bet I do 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skategal 1,846 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Timbermen said: Why is to that there's been tons of outbreaks at nursing homes after they've been quarantined from their family's for 3 months, not even being allowed to say their last goodbyes on their deathbeds. If they aren't getting it from them, where do they get it from? Did one of them escape? The workers are also quarantined from their family, so how is there all these outbreaks after 3 months of quarantining? Many people have pointed out that family members that were corona cases died from other ailments, why does youtube and FB take those down as well as medical professionals that have uploaded vids of what they see at work? I saw half a dozen doctors say that malaria Q drug works, their opinion isn't good enough? Being on the front lines, they're not allowed to upload a video of what they see? Why doesn't the virus effect BLM protesters or Chaz but it does Trump supporters protesting the virus? Is it being used for politics by the dems? Sure seems that way to me, considering how many cases in the US. Someone please give me a rational response and not some FB memes, please? Change my mind by using reason, not an emotional knee jerk reaction. In terms of care homes, a big challenge and cause for spread of COVID - 19 was the sharing of staff between care homes. Certainly not all staff was quarantined away from their families, that might have been the case in some instances, but not completely. Workers were often scheduled to work in multiple care homes so if infected they could spread the virus easily in multiple locations. That was the big push for the BC provincial government to work to establish single location scheduling which they finally achieved at all care homes in the past couple of weeks. Now all care home workers are scheduled to a single care home so that should help significantly if we end up in a spike of cases as anticipated in the fall. I think one needs to carefully examine so called experts - generally if YouTube or FB have taken down video clips it's because there were complaints about the veracity of the content. Medical doctors may have significant medical training, but they may also have underlying reasons to take a specific position, especially if they can profit financially from their position and convincing others of their position. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo 2,785 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grapefruits said: Next thing they'll ask me to wear a seatbelt because it "saves lives", lol. Not me though, I ain't no socialist libtard. Edited June 26, 2020 by JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timbermen 922 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: These antivax nutbars? You bet I do Didn't you watch it, GetBackJoeJoe? Get Back To The USSR, can't you hear the balalaika's ringing out? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balalaika#:~:text=The balalaika (Russian%3A балала́йка%2C pronounced [bəɫɐˈɫajkə]) is a,wooden%2C hollow body%2C fretted neck and three strings. 17 minutes ago, skategal said: In terms of care homes, a big challenge and cause for spread of COVID - 19 was the sharing of staff between care homes. Certainly not all staff was quarantined away from their families, that might have been the case in some instances, but not completely. Workers were often scheduled to work in multiple care homes so if infected they could spread the virus easily in multiple locations. That was the big push for the BC provincial government to work to establish single location scheduling which they finally achieved at all care homes in the past couple of weeks. Now all care home workers are scheduled to a single care home so that should help significantly if we end up in a spike of cases as anticipated in the fall. I think one needs to carefully examine so called experts - generally if YouTube or FB have taken down video clips it's because there were complaints about the veracity of the content. Medical doctors may have significant medical training, but they may also have underlying reasons to take a specific position, especially if they can profit financially from their position and convincing others of their position. This was a far better response than GetBackJoeJoe's. I heard of the multiple care home workers quite awhile ago, i guess it takes awhile to reschedule every care home. Did you watch that video? That guy knows his stuff. Triple board certified MD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingofsurrey 8,357 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Timbermen said: Didn't you watch it, GetBackJoeJoe? Get Back To The USSR, can't you hear the balalaika's ringing out? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balalaika#:~:text=The balalaika (Russian%3A балала́йка%2C pronounced [bəɫɐˈɫajkə]) is a,wooden%2C hollow body%2C fretted neck and three strings. This was a far better response than GetBackJoeJoe's. I heard of the multiple care home workers quite awhile ago, i guess it takes awhile to reschedule every care home. Did you watch that video? That guy knows his stuff. Triple board certified MD. I think some care homes were responsible and only employed full time care aids.... I think other less responsible care homes still let their workers work in multiple homes. Regulations are great but with out adequate enforcement. / enforced penalties.... .... s happens.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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