vannuck59 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) Two trades first and a signing Trade one : Virtanen and Baertschi to Ottawa for Gaborik (put him on IR) Trade two : Pearson & Hoglander to Vegas for Pacioretty (This gets Vegas under the cap) Signing : J. Rutta Right D for $700,000 This would help our depth at Right D This helps our top 6 and then we can flip him (Pacioretty) for picks and a better prospect next year. We likely wont sign Pearson and we upgrade our prospects Miller Pettersson Boeser Pacioretty Horvat Sutter / Bailey / MacEwen Ferland Gaudette Bailey / Sutter Motte Beagle MacEwen / Sutter Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Juolevi Rutta Holtby Demko Edited December 20, 2020 by vannuck59 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Two trades first and a signing Trade one : Virtanen and Baertschi to Ottawa for Gaborik (put him on IR) Trade two : Pearson & Hoglander to Vegas for Pacioretty (This gets Vegas under the cap) Signing : J. Rutta Right D for $700,000 This would help our depth at Right D This helps our top 6 and then we can flip him for picks and a better prospect next year. We likely wont sign Pearson and we upgrade our prospects Miller Pettersson Boeser Pacioretty Horvat Sutter / Bailey / MacEwen Ferland Gaudette Bailey / Sutter Motte Beagle MacEwen / Sutter Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Juolevi Rutta Holtby Demko So if I have this right? You want to trade Virtanen (36 pts) 24 yrs old+ Pearson (45 pts) 28 yrs old + Hoglander (Future) 19 yrs old for Pacioretty (66 pts) 32 yrs old No Thanks! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I thought for sure this was going to be another trade Boeser thread... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 ugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 No thanks, IMO Patches is not worth the value of Pearson and Hoglander. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, vannuck59 said: Two trades first and a signing Trade one : Virtanen and Baertschi to Ottawa for Gaborik (put him on IR) Trade two : Pearson & Hoglander to Vegas for Pacioretty (This gets Vegas under the cap) Signing : J. Rutta Right D for $700,000 This would help our depth at Right D This helps our top 6 and then we can flip him for picks and a better prospect next year. We likely wont sign Pearson and we upgrade our prospects Miller Pettersson Boeser Pacioretty Horvat Sutter / Bailey / MacEwen Ferland Gaudette Bailey / Sutter Motte Beagle MacEwen / Sutter Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Juolevi Rutta Holtby Demko Ferland will be hurt and he might not play this season Concussion remember?.. Pacioretty- Big big no $7 million X 3 yrs he is 32 need younger--- Then your putting either Sutter/ Baily or MacEwen on 2nd line Big Big no all 3rd or 4th line guys.. This team would not make playoffs with the lines your rolling out??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Just now, wildcam said: Ferland will be hurt and he might not play this season Concussion remember?.. Pacioretty- Big big no $7 million X 3 yrs he is 32 need younger--- Then your putting either Sutter/ Baily or MacEwen on 2nd line Big Big no all 3rd or 4th line guys.. This team would not make playoffs with the lines your rolling out?? Better team with Virtanen 24, 6'1, 220 lbs speed and will score 20--24 goals..Going to see a new Jake.. Pearson 28yrs old - Plays great with Bo never split then up 19--22 goal guy plays solid 200 foot game. Virtanen 56 GP -- G 16 - PTS 34 Pearson 56 GP -- G 14 --PTS 31 Just now, wildcam said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, YEGCanuck said: No thanks, IMO Patches is not worth the value of Pearson and Hoglander. Pearson and Hoglander aren’t a guaranteed commodity. Patches is for sure. Quietly one of the best power two-way forwards in the league since he’s joined, and still producing at a very high level. Really this is a steal IMO. I absolutely agree that Pearson isn’t a long term of player - this is almost definitely his last year with us, Horvat is that good and re-surrected his career for sure. This is one of the best proposals I’ve seen in a very long time. Hoglander may or may not make the NHL. His highest ranking is from the Hockey Writers, around 30 best in the world. That’s great. But he’s not going to be Patches good. Likely ever. Patches reminds me of a young Linden, with better offensive instincts. Since his arrival he’s a top ten winger in the league . Both sides. Sure his age is a concern, as is his cap hit, but for sure its much deserved. By the time Pogs and Hogs make the team and make an impact the Horvat/Miller window will likely be almost shut. As far as making our team better right now - this is almost as minimal cost as Schmidt for a 3rd. Patches and BB in our top six is legitimate elite territory given our Cs and what else we have in the lineup. I’d put Motte on the second line in a instant- he’s for Burrows written all over him. Sure it’s radical. But if we want to make the playoffs this year...well that’s almost a guarantee. And the cost isn’t nearly as steep as it would be under normal circumstances. Good proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, YEGCanuck said: No thanks, IMO Patches is not worth the value of Pearson and Hoglander. Not true. Pearson isn’t that good. Take his empty net points away....Horvat has helped his come back and he’s the first guy we should try and trade given his contract is up and his cap space is needed for other things. Watching him in the playoffs I was completely disappointed. A pussy-cat on the boards, he’s a great opportunistic player but he’s doesn’t play that hard BB was taking hits to make a pass - both Pearson and TT played like pussies. Motte is the guy I want to move up. If they all played like him we’d have beat Vegas. He’s ok (Pearson) but he’s not what we need in the top six. Patches is a massive - huge - upgrade. He’s not a pussy - plays hard every shift - large body and he’s a PGP player. If that only costs is Hoglander and some cap space which we have in Bear and Pearson you take that deal every single time. Getting tired watching Horvat play with plugs. He’s like a young Kesler. Give him some better wingers and watch him shine. Edit: On Pearson. I’m not “anti-Pearson” but I see an opportunity when ones presented. His stock is high right now as a rental. His next contract will for sure depend on what he does this year. But it’s high enough to pull the plug right now. Edited December 19, 2020 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, vannuck59 said: Two trades first and a signing Trade one : Virtanen and Baertschi to Ottawa for Gaborik (put him on IR) Trade two : Pearson & Hoglander to Vegas for Pacioretty (This gets Vegas under the cap) Signing : J. Rutta Right D for $700,000 This would help our depth at Right D This helps our top 6 and then we can flip him for picks and a better prospect next year. We likely wont sign Pearson and we upgrade our prospects Miller Pettersson Boeser Pacioretty Horvat Sutter / Bailey / MacEwen Ferland Gaudette Bailey / Sutter Motte Beagle MacEwen / Sutter Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Juolevi Rutta Holtby Demko Thanks for one of the better proposals I’ve seen on this site in some time. To me Pearson isn’t a long term player so any threads with him are legitimate. His stock is high. His cap hit is palatable. Trade him when it’s the right time. If the cost for Patches was Bear, Pearson and Hoglander it’s a good one for us. He’s not LE. Bet him and Horvat or EP would make a tremendous line. I’m not convinced JV will ever figure it out too. It’s also a fair proposal. I’d trade Pearson for a second at this point. And expect it will happen if we don’t make the playoffs this year. If we do then great. But seriously folks ... Pearson and LE with Horvat is a bit burden for Horvat. Can’t wait until Hogs and Podz and maybe Motte or maybe JV change that for him. Horvat for sure is carrying that line. Edited December 19, 2020 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Pearson and Hoglander aren’t a guaranteed commodity. Patches is for sure. Quietly one of the best power two-way forwards in the league since he’s joined, and still producing at a very high level. Really this is a steal IMO. I absolutely agree that Pearson isn’t a long term of player - this is almost definitely his last year with us, Horvat is that good and re-surrected his career for sure. This is one of the best proposals I’ve seen in a very long time. Hoglander may or may not make the NHL. His highest ranking is from the Hockey Writers, around 30 best in the world. That’s great. But he’s not going to be Patches good. Likely ever. Patches reminds me of a young Linden, with better offensive instincts. Since his arrival he’s a top ten winger in the league . Both sides. Sure his age is a concern, as is his cap hit, but for sure its much deserved. By the time Pogs and Hogs make the team and make an impact the Horvat/Miller window will likely be almost shut. As far as making our team better right now - this is almost as minimal cost as Schmidt for a 3rd. Patches and BB in our top six is legitimate elite territory given our Cs and what else we have in the lineup. I’d put Motte on the second line in a instant- he’s for Burrows written all over him. Sure it’s radical. But if we want to make the playoffs this year...well that’s almost a guarantee. And the cost isn’t nearly as steep as it would be under normal circumstances. Good proposal. a young linden hes 32 lol and makes 7 mill hard pass i wouldnt trade hoglander alone for him hog has elite talent hes gonna be a stud for us. You need players on entry level contracts we arent taking a 7 mill winger on we need to sign hughes and petey next yr and we have enough overpaid bum veterans on team sutter roussel eriksson baertchi is 20 mill of wasted cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) Why would the team give up Hoglander when Vegas NEEDS to get rid of Pacioretty? They should thank us for not packaging Loui with that 3rd, since even with someone like Baertschi going back they honestly still save cap whereas Patches is signed for 4 more years at $7 million. If we acquired him it's basically bye bye cap space for years to come, esp. next year when we need to re-up Pete/ Demko and then Hughes after that. I also don't see their return being much more than what they got for Schmidt TBH, since most teams are going to lowball them to "help" them. Edited December 19, 2020 by Phil_314 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Why would the team give up Hoglander when Vegas NEEDS to get rid of Pacioretty? They should thank us for not packaging Loui with that 3rd, since even with someone like Baertschi going back they honestly still save cap whereas Patches is signed for 4 more years at $7 million. If we acquired him it's basically bye bye cap space for years to come, esp. next year when we need to re-up Pete/ Demko and then Hughes after that. I also don't see their return being much more than what they got for Schmidt TBH, since most teams are going to lowball them to "help" them. ya its a dumb proposal not sure how any gm would make that trade even mike milbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 id make trade for a first and pacs for eriksson and roussel but its not happening 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, canuktravella said: a young linden hes 32 lol and makes 7 mill hard pass i wouldnt trade hoglander alone for him hog has elite talent hes gonna be a stud for us. You need players on entry level contracts we arent taking a 7 mill winger on we need to sign hughes and petey next yr and we have enough overpaid bum veterans on team sutter roussel eriksson baertchi is 20 mill of wasted cap You need to read the proposal again we have Pacioretty for this year and flip him for more than we paid if we have too. Hoglander could be a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, canuktravella said: ya its a dumb proposal not sure how any gm would make that trade even mike milbury Ha no think about it . Pacioretty needs to okay the trade . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil_314 said: Why would the team give up Hoglander when Vegas NEEDS to get rid of Pacioretty? They should thank us for not packaging Loui with that 3rd, since even with someone like Baertschi going back they honestly still save cap whereas Patches is signed for 4 more years at $7 million. If we acquired him it's basically bye bye cap space for years to come, esp. next year when we need to re-up Pete/ Demko and then Hughes after that. I also don't see their return being much more than what they got for Schmidt TBH, since most teams are going to lowball them to "help" them. Edited 51 minutes ago by Phil_314 Read the fine print you can flip him after the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: You need to read the proposal again we have Pacioretty for this year and flip him for more than we paid if we have too. Hoglander could be a bust. I see, I initially missed that part. However, there's no telling how the economy's going to look like after this year, or how he performs (even someone who was elite like M.A. Fleury could be viewed as a liability on a team needing money, and we're going to need money shortly. I'd hate to have other teams leverage that against us e.g. with an offer sheet to Pete or we can't find a taker for him before the E.D., and we end up needing to trade him for pennies on the quarter we paid for him, or worse Seattle steals him). Put it this way, in an ordinary year do you think no one would've wanted Johnson/ Killorn flipped to them, and would TB have avoided cap hell like they are in now? Absolutely. It's just too risky to assume that there will be a market for even someone as skilled as Patches/ Fleury when their price tag is so big. Secondly, flipping involves getting both him and other teams to agree to a move. It'll likely be that the young teams with ELC guys would want to let those kids grow instead of bringing on big money like that, yet these same teams may be the only ones with money. Patches also needs to agree to move because this isn't NHL 21 on your console. Edited December 19, 2020 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Ha no think about it . Pacioretty needs to okay the trade . 8 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Read the fine print you can flip him after the playoffs Ha No, you need to read your own bold print 1/3 of the league is off Patches list who do you see giving ius assets for Patches next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 ya no we arent trading for him and definately not a potential 2 line sniper in hoglander hes going no where like podz petey hughes or boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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