Rollieo Del Fuego Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, EternalCanuckFan said: I don't think Rafferty is going to get regular playing time. The PTO and impending signing of Hamonic all but guarantees that, IMHO. My expectation is that the coaches see Juolevi as a better option than Rafferty since he's more steady in the defensive zone but can still contribute with the breakout. The question to me is how the Canucks will manage Rafferty's usage. Will they send Rafferty to Utica or keep him on the taxi squad? My guess is one of Chatfield or Rafferty will be demoted but in deciding to demote anyone, quarantine requirements will make it challenging for them to bring in anyone from Utica up quickly. There are going to be some interesting decisions. Based on what we're seeing so far, I could see the following: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Hoglander Roussel-Sutter/Gaudette-Virtanen Motte-Beagle-MacEwen Hughes-Hamonic Edler-Schmidt Juolevi-Myers Holtby, Demko Depending on how management wants to manage the cap and player availability: Healthy Scratches: possible none or some mix of players from the Taxi Squad except for Eriksson to the max 23 player roster Taxi Squad (max. 6): Eriksson, Baertschi (over Bailey and Lind), Benn, Rafferty or Chatfield, Hawryluk (over Graovac), possibly Gaudette/Sutter, possibly Rathbone depending on whether the team will keep any healthy scratches that are not on the taxi squad LTIR: Ferland Management could shock by demoting Eriksson but I have a very hard time seeing that happening. The cap benefit of either having him on the taxi squad or in Utica is the same as far as I understand it. There was talk of Lockwood being a potential surprise to make the team but I have a hard time seeing him make it based on his development and cap constraints. It's probably better for a guy like Lockwood to play in Utica instead of just practicing and watching games. He seems unlikely to get into the line-up outside of some major problems. Michaelis has looked decent but I also think he would probably be seen as being better served by playing in Utica this year. Juolevi and Rafferty play opposite sides so they aren't competing with each other....Raff is competing with Chatfield and soon Hamonic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Petey_BOI said: incorect you want to have hoglander and ferland on your end of camp roster, injured players must be on the active roster before you can assign them to LTIR. if you don't have hoglander on the starting you have to add his bonuses to the cap value, when you call him up. everything is pretty close, i think too maximize you need two players making over 1.075 million to start on the taxi squad, like benn and beagle. I'm well aware of the rules. Ferland is on IR right now; that is why I didn't include him on active roster players. I have Loui and Baertschi waived. Do they not make over $1,075,000.00? Hoglander is not on the active roster right now. If we start Hoglander on the roster, then we have to waive another player, probably Benn. If we do waive 3 players and start Hoglander on the roster, then we probably also go with a different d-man with a slightly higher salarythan the $700,00.00 player in the 2 waive scenario.. I'm starting to see Agent's point. Instead of acting like a know it all, try engaging people in honest discussion. Edited January 8, 2021 by RWMc1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 My dark horses that could potentially make the roster are Lockwood, Hoglander and Rathbone. They all have their own unique skill sets and bring plenty to the table when they are out there on the ice. Most likely, Hoglander and Rathbone will probably make the team. We have our needs for a top 6 forward replacing Toffoli and I think Hogz fits the bill. As for Rathbone, he could play a role in our bottom defence pairing. Can’t wait for these kids to make an impact this season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: People who make extremely shortsighted decisions based on what makes them look slightly better today at the expense of long term results, tend not to end up in positions of responsibility. If through some strange twist of fate you ever end up in such a position, you should keep that in mind, or your tenure will be very short. I totally agree with this as long as you are not including politicians in that group of responsible people. They do tend to do whatever makes them look good instead of doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 hours ago, TNucks1 said: thank the swedish scouts and Co, for drafting hoglander, honestly are you just a troll and dont pay attention too the team?, im pretty curious at this point, i thought you were like DumbNuck, who does his thing and purposely and accidently say things and assume that there the brains behind the entire operation lol, its honestly getting old if its your schtick... greener and "DimJim?" arent responsible for making it past the play in round and then the stanley CUP champs and then vs the KNIGHTS at game 7 lol... what does a person have too do 2 satisfy you?... dont even bother, your not even a quarter cup of water for optimism, schmidt, hamonic, holtby and all our young guns pushing the roster...seriously, if your saying your a realist, i aint seeing it, explain. When pessimists think they're realists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: CAPTAIN SCORES! HOGLANDER WITH THE ASSIST! The negative? Brutal give away Edler... 16 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Sweet Georgia Brown; that was sweeet! 16 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Sounds like Pearson Horvat Hog have a bit of magic in the works. Key word, so excited... 16 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Oh, it was Edler who got beat for the last puck again by Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, ruilin96 said: Agreed, rather have small helmet ads so we can play the games than no helmet ads and no games. I don't know about that. Seems like a false dichotomy to me. I'd rather play hockey and not have so much commercialization. It's possible if we the paying customers stand up for ourselves and don't just keep on being passive frogs (i.e. boiling frog analogy). Pandemic or no pandemic they are ALWAYS ramping up the advertising and personally I'm sick of it (pardon the pun). And they are going to keep on pushing the envelope until enough people object and it has nothing to do with current economic conditions. The problem with maximizing profit is that it is NEVER ENOUGH, even in good times. The greedy and cynical people who run the show want us to think that there are no other options than continually increasing advertising but there are other options. There are always other options. Personally I would MUCH rather have no helmet ads. Seems like a small thing but with the way they always do closeups of the players faces it means that those little helmet ads are going to get a lot of screen time. I'm not OK with that. Go Canucks Go! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Another big performance by Hoglander, not sure how he's doing defensively but you bet Green will weigh everything up. That level of passing and offensive IQ could be huge for us and his defensive holes will be covered nicely by Pearson and Horvat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ruilin96 said: Which is why I am so upset about these deadweights this season. Benning basically ruined a perfect year to go for a run at a cup with those signings. But it is what it is, I believe we will still be able to keep this core around for a long time and we will continue to add cost friendly depth to compliment them. Thats a bit of a stretch...... as if Benning could forsee the flat cap and signed Eriksson, Beagle, Sutter and Roussel just to ruin the year. All of those signings were fairly justifiable at the time. Eriksson was a 30g scorer and was to be playing with the Sedins were his numbers were expected to jump along with the Sedins. Injuries for Eriksson and the retiring of the Sedins and the beginning of a rebuild didnt give that signing much of a chance to pan out. Beagle just won a cup and was a key PKer/faceoff guy, going from a cup team to a bottom 5 team and he put up 7g 15a as a bottom 6 C. Sutter had tied his career high in goals at 21g, is a faceoff/pk specialist Roussel was paid slighlty too high after a down year in Dallas. He also had a knee injury and was out for most of the season last year. He could regain his form and be an effective 4th line pest. And hes pretty good at taking someone to the box with him Be thankful that even with all of these “deadweight” signings. We can let guys walk and still have room to add upgrades, such as Schmidt and Hamonic, or even adding a goalie like Holtby. We have finally built up our prospect depth for guys like Hoglander to bump guys out of a job. We havent had internal competition in ages. These signings will be gone in a couple years and the real team will emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Boudrias said: Glad to see your always interesting comments Rob. Yes, the d-core looks better and a top 6 winger is needed. I am leery of another TT deal. Unfortunate as Covid killed the CAP growth that would have paid him. That said I prefer to see how the existing roster and prospects grow with the opportunity. How does the improved strength of the d-core benefit puck possession, transition speed and ozone time. Where you been? COVID killed one gig for me and opened up another one that had me both busy and less involved in the day-to-day aspects of the hockey world. It has largely wrapped up and back into hockey world but in a different capacity and it fits my quasi wanting more free time perfectly. Don't have as much travel obviously or access directly to players and such but still have some good contacts out there and there is a lot of chatter/excitement about the team in Vancouver....almost more than seemingly is with many on this site. The TT deal was good for what it was and given all the uncertainty, can't really fault it (I can't anyway). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: That may have been the worst lineup in decades. I really liked Megna... He did allow what was required? Send Jake to Utica to season up. We were rushing him the year before. That was the real value in some members of that line up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Huggy Bear vs Hoggy Boar. which is better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, gurn said: E.P. Horvat Gaudette i agree, totally. but thanks for taking my quote out of context. your so smart gurn. anyways adam gaudette is quite literally our second highest center scorer in points last year per/60 these stats also include horvats 7 EN points. But im hoping that might change if hoglander can impress. please believe me when i say Horvat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gaudette BUT as you can see 1.95 is a bigger number than 1.52 it's not gaudette's fault he gets all the ez goals, or his fault that he wasn't playing with LE, It's Travis Greens fault, blame him. Player Pos GP TOI/GP G A P G/60 A/60 P/60 S% On-Ice S% J.T. Miller C 69 14:42 19 25 44 1.12 1.48 2.6 16.4 10.3 Elias Pettersson C 68 13:42 18 22 40 1.16 1.42 2.58 19.2 12 Adam Gaudette C 59 10:27 7 13 20 0.68 1.26 1.95 11.7 9.6 Bo Horvat C 69 14:18 4 21 25 0.24 1.28 1.52 3.6 7 Brandon Sutter C 44 11:19 6 6 12 0.72 0.72 1.45 10 8.4 Tyler Graovac C 8 5:30 1 0 1 1.37 0 1.37 25 -- Jay Beagle C 55 9:33 1 5 6 0.11 0.57 0.69 2.3 4.6 against all competition 1st,second,third and 4th liners Gaudette out scored horvat. who knew only having two forwards on your line would affect your scoring Name Team Positions GP WMTier EVTOI GF/60 GA/60 GF% ONSH% ONSV% Bo Horvat VAN ["C"] 69 All 986.2166667 2.13 2.8 43.2 6.944444444 91.18773946 Bo Horvat VAN ["C"] 69 Elite 400.3166667 2.1 1.35 60.9 7.142857143 95.63106796 Bo Horvat VAN ["C"] 69 Middle 348.0333333 1.9 3.62 34.4 6.077348066 89.5 Bo Horvat VAN ["C"] 69 Gritensity 237.8666667 2.52 4.04 38.5 7.874015748 86.20689655 Adam Gaudette VAN ["C"] 59 All 625.3833333 2.49 2.88 46.4 9.489051095 91.82561308 Adam Gaudette VAN ["C"] 59 Elite 102.7 5.26 2.34 69.2 14.75409836 95.0617284 Adam Gaudette VAN ["C"] 59 Middle 246.2833333 1.95 3.17 38.1 7.692307692 91.09589041 Adam Gaudette VAN ["C"] 59 Gritensity 276.4 1.95 2.82 40.9 8.256880734 90.71428571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: People who make extremely shortsighted decisions based on what makes them look slightly better today at the expense of long term results, tend not to end up in positions of responsibility. If through some strange twist of fate you ever end up in such a position, you should keep that in mind, or your tenure will be very short. Agreed, but it still happens. That’s my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: I really liked Megna... He did allow what was required? Send Jake to Utica to season up. We were rushing him the year before. That was the real value in some members of that line up. I think a lot of fans/media really underestimate the value a lot those guys brought as placeholder, whipping boys. Poor sacrificial lambs Those players prevented our now blossoming prospects from being rushed in and correspondingly turned in to whipping boys themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: ok, I'll bite. Been around a lot of hockey clubs in my life and not once have I seen a personnel decision made to make someone "look good" that would harm a team's success. Tell me some examples of such hockey decisions from the "countless" examples you have. 51 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Mark Messier was a rookie with the Canucks and took the spot of another rookie? Didn't know that. Cool. We're talking about rookies taking spots specifically now? Didn't know that. Cooool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, billabong said: Canucks fans have really under valued how good Schmidt is and what he brings to the team Schmidt/hamonic>>>tanev/Stecher we have two of the top 10 skaters amongst dmen in the league A “core 6” is what a Stanley cup contender needs year in and year out Chicago had Kane, toews, hossa, sharp, Keith and seabrook. tb has stamkos, kuch, point, palat, Hedman and sergachev Wsh has ovi, backstrom, Wilson, kuzy, Carlson and orlov we are building a similar faction with petey, boeser, Miller, horvat, hughes and now Schmidt And by the end of the year a core 8! totally realistic expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: The negative? Brutal give away Edler... Sweet Georgia Brown; that was sweeet! Key word, so excited... Oh, it was Edler who got beat for the last puck again by Mac. Sounds like some body has a crush on Eddie The Eagle - either that or he kicked your dog Pointing him out negatively twice in one post - over a few scrimmage highlights? Close to 900 games, 400+ points... countless hours of service to his community... Takes a team friendly deal last summer... Puts his body on the line unlike any other and has been anywhere from 1st to 10th in Blocks/Hits per game almost every year in the past 5+ years... and bashed over some scrimmage clips? Mac Daddy is awesome and I think we'll see him play this season... he's out there skating for his life trying to win a spot and he beat Edler to a puck. The sky is not falling on Edler's, I'm sure he'll give %100 effort when the games start up. I hope you find it in you to just support him because he's a true Canuck, loves this city, is incredibly kind at heart and is very good at hockey. Nothing I like to see less than Edler/Myers negativity tbh... especially Edler. Sorry hope you didn't think I'm coming at you 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Huggy Bear vs Hoggy Boar. which is better? The beauty of it is.... we don't even have to care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Another big performance by Hoglander, not sure how he's doing defensively but you bet Green will weigh everything up. That level of passing and offensive IQ could be huge for us and his defensive holes will be covered nicely by Pearson and Horvat. Well? He competes his arse off & wins pucks. Holds on to pucks. That is a great start! There was an example of him stealing a puck from Petey. While Petey tried to break it out of the defensive end. It is worth mentioning the agility to keep up with someone as deceptive ad Pettersson. Had the hands to take it off him, strength yo bump him off it as well. Won lots of battles being aggressive, stronger, better balanced, quicker to pucks. And he does not give up the puck easily on offense? The best defense is zone time at the other end. I am not sure I can comment on defensive positioning, zone play itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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