Podz92 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, iinatcc said: Ian MacIntyre is assuming it's vaccination related. Ian MacIntyre is assuming it’s vaccination related. Real professional Ian... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 maybe travis was leaning towards retirement or opting out already in the offseason and it took some convincing from jim to get him to re-up in the first place and now he's having second thoughts? that would explain benning's confident "he'll be here" at the presser, as a not so subtle nudge in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrago Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 6 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: Why does everyone keep assuming that he's unvaccinated? He has a sick kid, it is more likely around that. One fan suggests that "MAYBE" he's against vaccination and suddenly, its gospel on this board. Unbelievable I of course have no Idea, but I suspect that, something has changed regarding his Daughter and he no longer considers playing a risk he is willing to take. But honestly if it's for family reasons as far as I'm concerned it's case closed, you always have to do what's best for your family and that's that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 What's the deal with Hamonic? Any reports out or just speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 not sure of the reliability of this source...this channel is run by Rob Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: not sure of the reliability of this source...this channel is run by Rob Simpson It's going to be an inconvenience for American teams as well especially if they are from the Pacific or Atlantic division. And what happens if that team faces a Canadian team in the playoffs? Doubt any American team would take Hamonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, CR7 said: I find it funny how many people judge a person for the size of their pay check... Yes Hamonic is a professional athlete, yes he signed a contract for 2 years at a point where it looked like Covid may be a thing of the past. Based on Hamonic's family health and his own personal history how could anyone suggest he is unwilling to get vaccinated... Hamonic skipped the bubble because he had concerns over Covid. He played last year because he believed that the NHL & Canucks had done enough to keep him safe, as it turned out the Canucks had the worst Covid outbreak in the NHL. Now if I am Hamonic, already with concerns for family and Covid, seeing the numbers go back up and realizing that not only are restrictions around the league softer, but now fans and media can enter the facilities... I would take a moment to put my future in prospective. Unlike most of us he probably doesn't need to work, but he still a person and deserves to be treated no differently. I might not like this decision for the hockey team I follow, but I sure in the hell respect a person willing to make a hard decision for personal or family reasons. If it ever comes out he is indeed anti vax, we can talk about how I feel about him then... But until I hear Hamonic say that's the case, media can piss off... I have nothing againts Hamonic looking out for his family but regarding the bolded part, I can't see how anyone would think Covid would be a thing of the past, even if there was a a Vaccine, the Delta variant already started to spread around May or June and we all know Covid is never going to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, iinatcc said: I have nothing againts Hamonic looking out for his family but regarding the bolded part, I can't see how anyone would think Covid would be a thing of the past, even if there was a a Vaccine, the Delta variant already started to spread around May or June and we all know Covid is never going to go away. Neither are the restrictions and mandates that come with it. When Lamba and Mu make North American landfall(killing vaccinated and unvaccinated at equal rates), we’ll probably be in full lockdown again. - The few unvaccinated NHL players that are left will be digging in their heals after Jimmy Hayes died 4 days after his second shot, and the autopsy couldn’t reveal a cause of death... right or wrongly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Still lots of smoke around this but it puts the Canucks and JB in a really tricky spot so as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty unprofessional unless it's a really personal/private matter (like looking after his daughter). If it's more about playing in America then Hamonic really should have made it clear to JB at the start of the off-season rather than signing a contract and handcuffing us at the start of training camp. I guess we're lucky in that it looks like Rathbone has improved physically and we've got Juolevi and Schenn as back-ups, but I don't know who will be stable enough to play with the risky Hughes. We're not bad without Hamonic, it'll just force us to play our kids a bit more but I was hoping we could keep one of them on the side-lines for when injuries strike, which is when we'll be really thinned. If JB can somehow work a 1-for-1 trade with another top-5 defenceman on an American team then fantastic but I doubt they're out there. Sending him back to NYI might be a shout but they're pretty stacked on defence anyway so not sure who they'd prefer to lose. I guess without Hamonic, we're going with: OEL - Poolman Hughes - Myers Rathbone - Juolevi/Schenn Bit nervous playing the two kids together on a 3rd line that will get feasted on, but Schenn is far from stable either. Rathbone-Myers would have been one of the best 3rd pairings in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Still lots of smoke around this but it puts the Canucks and JB in a really tricky spot so as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty unprofessional unless it's a really personal/private matter (like looking after his daughter). If it's more about playing in America then Hamonic really should have made it clear to JB at the start of the off-season rather than signing a contract and handcuffing us at the start of training camp. I guess we're lucky in that it looks like Rathbone has improved physically and we've got Juolevi and Schenn as back-ups, but I don't know who will be stable enough to play with the risky Hughes. We're not bad without Hamonic, it'll just force us to play our kids a bit more but I was hoping we could keep one of them on the side-lines for when injuries strike, which is when we'll be really thinned. If JB can somehow work a 1-for-1 trade with another top-5 defenceman on an American team then fantastic but I doubt they're out there. Sending him back to NYI might be a shout but they're pretty stacked on defence anyway so not sure who they'd prefer to lose. I guess without Hamonic, we're going with: OEL - Poolman Hughes - Myers Rathbone - Juolevi/Schenn Bit nervous playing the two kids together on a 3rd line that will get feasted on, but Schenn is far from stable either. Rathbone-Myers would have been one of the best 3rd pairings in the league. Yeah, I strongly suspect that Schenn or Hunt (I have no idea who plays which side) would be on that third pairing with Rathbone/Juolevi at all times. I doubt Green is willing to play two inexperienced kids on the same pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Well all this doesn't certainly speak well for "boy wonder" (QH) if we think that ONLY Hamonic can keep him from going off the rails again and being in the the top 10 worst +/- players in the entire National Hockey League out of 950 players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Well all this doesn't certainly speak well for "boy wonder" (QH) if we think that ONLY Hamonic can keep him from going off the rails again and being in the the top 10 worst +/- players in the entire National Hockey League out of 950 players. Hughes has to learn to manage his own game without being baby sat if he wants to be star in this League. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Hughes has to learn to manage his own game without being baby sat if he wants to be star in this League. Exactly. But in all fairness he's super young and a rookie with incredible potential and is still learning. That does not take away from what we both agree on, so hopefully our new defensive coach can help him along a bit further and he smartens up himself because having a minus -26 +/- is nothing to write home about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Yeah, I strongly suspect that Schenn or Hunt (I have no idea who plays which side) would be on that third pairing with Rathbone/Juolevi at all times. I doubt Green is willing to play two inexperienced kids on the same pairing. Crazy to think that if Hughes' contract doesn't get sorted soon, our opening night D lineup might be this: OEL - Poolman Rathbone - Myers Juolevi - Schenn Not horrible by any means but 1 injury away from a disasterclass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Hughes has to learn to manage his own game without being baby sat if he wants to be star in this League. Absolutely this. You don't see Makar or Heiskanen need a defensive shutdown guy to complement their offence, so Hughes should be the same. I honestly don't think Quinn has done enough to be considered a star in this league yet because of his poor defensive play. He's basically a Barrie-sort of player right now. Just because he's so small doesn't mean he has to be bad defensively, I thought his positioning and stick work was fantastic in his rookie season but last year he really tailed off and just got sloppy. Whether Hughes will ever be that sort of player who can defend well at the same time as score is yet to be determined. I'm a bit unhopeful to be honest just because of his lack of size and physicality (whereas guys like Makar have a bit more strength in them), but we'll see. There's not many small defencemen who are strong defensively. Ryan Ellis was one, but he was much stronger than Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Still lots of smoke around this but it puts the Canucks and JB in a really tricky spot so as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty unprofessional unless it's a really personal/private matter (like looking after his daughter). If it's more about playing in America then Hamonic really should have made it clear to JB at the start of the off-season rather than signing a contract and handcuffing us at the start of training camp. I guess we're lucky in that it looks like Rathbone has improved physically and we've got Juolevi and Schenn as back-ups, but I don't know who will be stable enough to play with the risky Hughes. We're not bad without Hamonic, it'll just force us to play our kids a bit more but I was hoping we could keep one of them on the side-lines for when injuries strike, which is when we'll be really thinned. If JB can somehow work a 1-for-1 trade with another top-5 defenceman on an American team then fantastic but I doubt they're out there. Sending him back to NYI might be a shout but they're pretty stacked on defence anyway so not sure who they'd prefer to lose. I guess without Hamonic, we're going with: OEL - Poolman Hughes - Myers Rathbone - Juolevi/Schenn Bit nervous playing the two kids together on a 3rd line that will get feasted on, but Schenn is far from stable either. Rathbone-Myers would have been one of the best 3rd pairings in the league. lol the hughes/myer pairing last year was disasterous.. teams are going to feast on the 2nd and 3rd pairing lol unless OEL is going to play like 40 mins a night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 he might as well sit out the season. no one is going to take him. he can't play in canada, he can't play in new york. he can't play in the bay area.. and eventually there prolly will be more cities that won't allow you to play if unvaccinated. he doesn't want to get vax due to family reason that's fine. but if he's asking the team to help facilitate a trade for him while wasting the cap space so we can't get a replacement that's selfish. just make up ur damn mind and retire or sit out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Hughes has to learn to manage his own game without being baby sat if he wants to be star in this League. Yup, just like like EP40. They want 8 - 9 million? You better make that fire hydrant look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Absolutely this. You don't see Makar or Heiskanen need a defensive shutdown guy to complement their offence, so Hughes should be the same. I honestly don't think Quinn has done enough to be considered a star in this league yet because of his poor defensive play. He's basically a Barrie-sort of player right now. Just because he's so small doesn't mean he has to be bad defensively, I thought his positioning and stick work was fantastic in his rookie season but last year he really tailed off and just got sloppy. Whether Hughes will ever be that sort of player who can defend well at the same time as score is yet to be determined. I'm a bit unhopeful to be honest just because of his lack of size and physicality (whereas guys like Makar have a bit more strength in them), but we'll see. There's not many small defencemen who are strong defensively. Ryan Ellis was one, but he was much stronger than Hughes. Jared Spurgeon comes to mind as maybe the best small one. He's the only really solid one I can think of. Stecher is pretty good, but he's not really on that higher level like Spurgeon is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: lol the hughes/myer pairing last year was disasterous.. teams are going to feast on the 2nd and 3rd pairing lol unless OEL is going to play like 40 mins a night Myers needs to play with a defensive D, that's why he worked with OJ but is a bad fit with QH/OEL/JR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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