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1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

Even if the vaccinated/unvaccinated status didn't come into play here this time of the year you won't be able to trade Hamonic, every team has their rosters in mind and is working their young guys into their spots. 

 

I assume all this talk is speculation, but why bother signing in the first place in Vancouver if you had concerns about being vaccinated or covid in general. Nobody could have foreseen things moving past covid by now and certainly not during the offseason when he signed. If he indeed is not returning to Vancouver over vaccinations or is requesting a trade the timing and lack of foresight is extremely unprofessional and in regards to his family a real head scratcher.

Yup. Completely agree. About the trades too you are most likely correct. He just seems flakey to me. Last year he only wanted to play in Canada, now he only wants to play in States, apparently. Make up your mind or just quit already. I'm sure he's not the only NHLer with similar concerns but the confusion doesn't follow them around. 

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6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Islanders seem to have made stricter team rules though.

Rinaldo is also not at CBJ's camp.  Neither is Archibald at Edmonton's.  They will still have to pay them once the season starts unless they opt out by this Friday.  

 

Teams can waive a player to the AHL if he doesn't have an NMC.  The cap rules still apply though and only 1.125M can be buried.  

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1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

If true, can the team suspend him without pay?

I think we can make a case for sure as he hasn't showed up to camp. We could also waive him to Abbotsford but the optics could be a nightmare for the club. JB is pretty accommodating and player friendly it will be interesting to see the route he chooses.

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Just now, Gawdzukes said:

I think we can make a case for sure as he hasn't showed up to camp. We could also waive him to Abbotsford but the optics could be a nightmare for the club. JB is pretty accommodating and player friendly it will be interesting to see the route he chooses.

Vancouver granted him those days off - can't suspend him if he's not breaking any rules.

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17 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Isnt that what he said?

I think the problem was Benning saying Hamonic would be at training camp, and also saying that the team and staff would be 100% fully vaxxed.

 

He would have been better served by saying that Hamonic had a personal/family issue preventing him from attending training camp and the team would not be providing any details or answering further questions, out of respect for the player’s privacy.
 

He also could have easily said that every player and staff member attending training camp was fully vaxxed (which was true), rather than insisting the team would be 100% vaxxed by the time the season opened (which made it pretty obvious that there was an unvaccinated player).

 

Benning created a situation where Hamonic not showing up immediately fuelled media and fan speculation.

 

It was an unfortunate PR fumble by the Canucks GM.

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1 minute ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I think the problem was Benning saying Hamonic would be at training camp, and also saying that the team and staff would be 100% fully vaxxed.

 

He would have been better served by saying that Hamonic had a personal/family issue preventing him from attending training camp and the team would not be providing any details or answering further questions, out of respect for the player’s privacy.
 

He also could have easily said that every player and staff member attending training camp was fully vaxxed (which was true), rather than insisting the team would be 100% vaxxed by the time the season opened (which made it pretty obvious that there was an unvaccinated player).

 

Benning created a situation where Hamonic not showing up immediately fuelled media and fan speculation.

 

It was an unfortunate PR fumble by the Canucks GM.

What if he was given assurances by Hamonic and/or his agent that he would be in attendance and compliant by a certain point?

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12 minutes ago, mll said:

Vancouver granted him those days off - can't suspend him if he's not breaking any rules.

Aha. What if Hamonic doesn't opt out but we we have our vaccine rules in place? He still gets paid but doesn't play? What if we call his bluff and invite him to play in Canada knowing he won't show up?

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18 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Aha. What if Hamonic doesn't opt out but we we have our vaccine rules in place? He still gets paid but doesn't play? What if we call his bluff and invite him to play in Canada knowing he won't show up?

Why wouldn't he show up?  Vaccination is not mandatory as agreed by the NHL and NHLPA.  He'll have to quarantine after crossing the border and follow protocol.

 

They can demote him and maybe even tell him to stay home (like NYR did with DeAngelo) but his cap hit still stays on the books - only 1.125M can be buried.

 

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26 minutes ago, mll said:

Why wouldn't he show up?  Vaccination is not mandatory as agreed by the NHL and NHLPA.  He'll have to quarantine after crossing the border and follow protocol.

 

They can demote him and maybe even tell him to stay home (like NYR did with DeAngelo) but his cap hit still stays on the books - only 1.125M can be buried.

 

Well unless both agree to terminate the contract ... I think this is still an option. 

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On a team perspective the biggest bummer here is that if Hamonic does decide to terminate his contract or opt out, most of the free agents have already been signed so no matter what the Canucks will not be able to fill Hamonic's spot. 

 

I think if Hamonic wasn't available during free agency, Benning could have gone for Cody Ceci or another right handed dman.

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

On a team perspective the biggest bummer here is that if Hamonic does decide to terminate his contract or opt out, most of the free agents have already been signed so no matter what the Canucks will not be able to fill Hamonic's spot. 

 

I think if Hamonic wasn't available during free agency, Benning could have gone for Cody Ceci or another right handed dman.

 

 

 

Fortunately, our incapable and stupid GM signed Poolman and Schenn. Which means we at least have 3 RDs to start the season.

 

Assuming Hughes re-signs,

 

OEL-Poolman

QH-Schenn

OJ-Myers

 

Rathbone-Woo (they will start in the AHL but will be called up during the season)

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, mll said:

Not if he wants to play.  Vaccination is not mandatory.  There are stricter protocols to follow for unvaccinated players.  Teams can withhold pay for the days where the unvaccinated players are unavailable due to quarantine requirements or if they test positive.  

Good to know. Makes me think then that our hands are a bit tied. Couldn't terminate his contract then and he would just have to play within the restrictions of an unvaccinated player. Could he play games in the US while unvaccinated or is that not possible either?

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2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I think the problem was Benning saying Hamonic would be at training camp, and also saying that the team and staff would be 100% fully vaxxed.

 

He would have been better served by saying that Hamonic had a personal/family issue preventing him from attending training camp and the team would not be providing any details or answering further questions, out of respect for the player’s privacy.
 

He also could have easily said that every player and staff member attending training camp was fully vaxxed (which was true), rather than insisting the team would be 100% vaxxed by the time the season opened (which made it pretty obvious that there was an unvaccinated player).

 

Benning created a situation where Hamonic not showing up immediately fuelled media and fan speculation.

 

It was an unfortunate PR fumble by the Canucks GM.

Not a fumble at all. 

 

We can play hindsight all we want here, speculate until the cows come home but all we know is the team granted him leave and either way we will know by Friday where our projected roster players are in terms of status for season or not right ? Its not on the GM to explain to everyone about the contracted players personal views, decisions and status in relation to covid or personal issues.

 

I can confidently suggest based off how agents and teams have been discussing contracts and terms the past couple of seasons that the discussion around covid and all the related aspects of that would be discussed.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

does anyone really know what is going on or is this just media hype and fans writing their own narrative?

 

 

No, and yes.

 

But its to be expected when we are not given answers.  Especially on CDC. Its what we do man. ;)

 

I for one am completely puzzled by this situation.  Some things just do not make sense. 

If its that Hamonic has a problem with getting the vaccine.  And at the same time his daughter has a respiratory illness so delicate that he gave up part of a season for? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

But perhaps its because he is part of the evangelical christian community who are notoriously anti-vax. From the Sportsnet site. I grew up with this, I recognize the phrasing.

 

“God has blessed me with the talent and opportunity to play in the NHL,” started the 29-year-old defenceman, who left the team for several games in mid-January while his eight-month-old daughter, Charlie, was hospitalized.

“Playing in the NHL is a privilege and I take a lot of pride in doing so for an incredible franchise like the Calgary Flames. Most importantly, God allowed my family the opportunity to see his love and grace first-hand last year when our little girl contracted a very serious respiratory virus."

 

So is it a conflict between his faith and science for this prairie boy?  Like, he is surrounded by the anti-vax influence because of his faith, and all the misinformation that he would get from that community. And even though his daughter is compromised and vulnerable, he still believes strongly against vaccinations because of those influences around him? And/or thinks he can just wait it out by isolating, and alternative treatments.  That would be a sad situation. Especially if it derails his career.

 

That's why I draw a line, and I do not hate those that choose no vaccine. I feel sorry for them. Who I hate is the internet trolls, and other "news" sources like Fox News who cloud the issue, and scare vulnerable people into resisting medical science putting those lives in danger, (all the while submitting to their own bosses vaccine mandate).  Mostly to screw with their political rivals to throw wrenches into their plans. They don't care about how many die from their scare tactics.  Or lose their careers.

 

 

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