[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton McDavids | January 14, 2021 | 6 p.m. PT | SN, SNP

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

Guys back then could take a hit like a man.  McDiver would have gotten laughed off the ice with the trash he pulls now.

[HKSR]

1 minute ago, MikeyD said:

But did he win the cup that year?!?!?! (obvious sarcasm) 

 

Nobody is debating that he could carry a team. We are just saying it's silly that these players are willing their teams to cup victories with nobody around them. 

I would never say a single player should be able to win a cup.  I'm just arguing the point that McDavid is not in the same tier as Gretzky or Lemieux.

[luckylager]

1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

no, i won. because if connor had the chance to have hedman pasternak and draitsaital plus a few other upgrades they would win cups too

Love it! Petey Boy, you take fantasy hockey to a whole new level.

 

Cheers bud

[Darius]

2 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern training  nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

Edited January 15, 2021 by Darius

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[HKSR]

3 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

Again let's just start with 2019-20... Pick your poison.  Goals or assist or points.  Which one was McDavid the 'best' at last year?

 

I'll pick points ... Gretzky was the best for 10 years in his career.  Lemieux with 6.  Ok your turn...

[MikeyD]

1 minute ago, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

McDavid had an exceptional playoff round against Chicago though. At the end of the day he can't make his defense and goaltending play better. 

[luckylager]

1 minute ago, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

[brownky]

Just now, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

The only guy that *could* have given 66 a run imo was Lindros (another guy I absolutely loathed) based on size, skill and brains... but he couldn't skate with his head up playing in an exceptionally filthy era.

 

You play Lindros "now" and... there's nobody that could contain that thing. And I say that with the maximum amount of hate.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Guys back then could take a hit like a man.  McDiver would have gotten laughed off the ice with the trash he pulls now.

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

[brownky]

1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

But not better than Gretzky or Lemieux.

[luckylager]

1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

They hit and fight less.

Also targeting the head is a problem now.

 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by luckylager

[Darth Canuck]

Much like Bo got into St Louis heads in the playoffs, McMuffin got into our heads tonight. When he started whizzing around, systems broke down, assignments got lost, and frustration started. In the past, we used team speed, discipline, and effort to contain him, and tonight, we took our foot off the gas, and let him dictate.

 

I refuse to pin this on Jake, or Demko. Several players were a step behind, sloppy passes, not urgent, etc... I do think the team was felling pretty good about last night, and tonight’s effort showed it. 

The good thing about a game like this happening this early in the season is there’s time to analyze, learn, adapt, and be ready for the next game.

 

I did like the fight in Petey, Brock, and Hughes, they never gave up. And Hughes with a bloody bottom lip....

 

Go Canucks!!

 

 

[King Heffy]

Just now, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

And yet the game is not nearly as physical.  McLoser's tantrums wouldn't fly back then; an enforcer would ensure he started treating the sport with respect and stopped his diving before he got something to actually cry about.

[Darius]

1 minute ago, brownky said:

The only guy that *could* have given 66 a run imo was Lindros (another guy I absolutely loathed) based on size, skill and brains... but he couldn't skate with his head up playing in an exceptionally filthy era.

 

You play Lindros "now" and... there's nobody that could contain that thing. And I say that with the maximum amount of hate.

I agree. It’s a shame he got all those head Injuries. Who knows what he could have achieved.  An absolute beast. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, HKSR said:

Again let's just start with 2019-20... Pick your poison.  Goals or assist or points.  Which one was McDavid the 'best' at last year?

 

I'll pick points ... Gretzky was the best for 10 years in his career.  Lemieux with 6.  Ok your turn...

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky	C	74	87	118	205	39	76	19	13	22	35	12	ONT: Brantford	22
	Paul Coffey	D	80	40	86	126	104	52	19	8	14	22	21	ONT: Weston	22
	Jari Kurri	R	64	52	61	113	14	38	19	14	14	28	13	Finland: Helsinki	23
	Mark Messier	C	73	37	64	101	165	40	19	8	18	26	19	ALTA: Edmonton	22
	Glenn Anderson	F	80	54	45	99	65	41	19	6	11	17	33	BC: Vancouver	22
	Ken Linseman	F	72	18	49	67	119	30	19	10	4	14	65	ONT: Kingston	25
	Pat Hughes	F	77	27	28	55	61	18	19	2	11	13	12	ALTA: Calgary	28
	Dave Hunter	F	80	22	26	48	90	25	17	5	5	10	14	ONT: Petrolia	25
	Kevin Lowe	D	80	4	42	46	59	37	19	3	7	10	16	PQ: Lachute	24
	Charlie Huddy	D	75	8	34	42	43	50	12	1	9	10	8	ONT: Oshawa	24
	Randy Gregg	D	80	13	27	40	56	40	19	3	7	10	21	ALTA: Edmonton	27
	Willy Lindstrom	R	73	22	16	38	38	17	19	5	5	10	10	Sweden: Grums	32
	Jaroslav Pouzar	F	67	13	19	32	44	17	14	1	2	3	12	Czech Rep.: Cakovec	32
	Kevin McClelland 1	R	52	8	20	28	127	9	18	4	6	10	42	ONT: Oshawa	21
	Dave Lumley	F	56	6	15	21	68	14	19	2	5	7	44	ONT: Toronto	29
	Lee Fogolin	D	80	5	16	21	125	33	19	1	4	5	23	IL: Chicago	28
	Don Jackson	D	64	8	12	20	120	28	19	1	2	3	32	MN: Minneapolis	26
	Dave Semenko	L	52	6	11	17	118	9	19	5	5	10	44	MAN: Winnipeg	26
	Grant Fuhr	G	45	0	14	14	6	0	16	0	3	3	4	ALTA: Spruce Grove	20

[Bad_BOI_pete]

2 minutes ago, luckylager said:

They hit and fight less.

Also targeting the head is a problem now.

 

 

the also don't have thier own personal body guards

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

the also don't have thier own personal body guards

Yep, definitely couldn't handle it himself.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

CONDENSED GAME | Canucks at Oilers

 

[Darius]

1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky	C	74	87	118	205	39	76	19	13	22	35	12	ONT: Brantford	22
	Paul Coffey	D	80	40	86	126	104	52	19	8	14	22	21	ONT: Weston	22
	Jari Kurri	R	64	52	61	113	14	38	19	14	14	28	13	Finland: Helsinki	23
	Mark Messier	C	73	37	64	101	165	40	19	8	18	26	19	ALTA: Edmonton	22
	Glenn Anderson	F	80	54	45	99	65	41	19	6	11	17	33	BC: Vancouver	22
	Ken Linseman	F	72	18	49	67	119	30	19	10	4	14	65	ONT: Kingston	25
	Pat Hughes	F	77	27	28	55	61	18	19	2	11	13	12	ALTA: Calgary	28
	Dave Hunter	F	80	22	26	48	90	25	17	5	5	10	14	ONT: Petrolia	25
	Kevin Lowe	D	80	4	42	46	59	37	19	3	7	10	16	PQ: Lachute	24
	Charlie Huddy	D	75	8	34	42	43	50	12	1	9	10	8	ONT: Oshawa	24
	Randy Gregg	D	80	13	27	40	56	40	19	3	7	10	21	ALTA: Edmonton	27
	Willy Lindstrom	R	73	22	16	38	38	17	19	5	5	10	10	Sweden: Grums	32
	Jaroslav Pouzar	F	67	13	19	32	44	17	14	1	2	3	12	Czech Rep.: Cakovec	32
	Kevin McClelland 1	R	52	8	20	28	127	9	18	4	6	10	42	ONT: Oshawa	21
	Dave Lumley	F	56	6	15	21	68	14	19	2	5	7	44	ONT: Toronto	29
	Lee Fogolin	D	80	5	16	21	125	33	19	1	4	5	23	IL: Chicago	28
	Don Jackson	D	64	8	12	20	120	28	19	1	2	3	32	MN: Minneapolis	26
	Dave Semenko	L	52	6	11	17	118	9	19	5	5	10	44	MAN: Winnipeg	26
	Grant Fuhr	G	45	0	14	14	6	0	16	0	3	3	4	ALTA: Spruce Grove	20

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there.