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1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

Guys back then could take a hit like a man.  McDiver would have gotten laughed off the ice with the trash he pulls now.

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1 minute ago, MikeyD said:

But did he win the cup that year?!?!?! (obvious sarcasm) 

 

Nobody is debating that he could carry a team. We are just saying it's silly that these players are willing their teams to cup victories with nobody around them. 

I would never say a single player should be able to win a cup.  I'm just arguing the point that McDavid is not in the same tier as Gretzky or Lemieux.

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1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

no, i won. because if connor had the chance to have hedman pasternak and draitsaital plus a few other upgrades they would win cups too

Love it! Petey Boy, you take fantasy hockey to a whole new level.

 

Cheers bud

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2 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern training  nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

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3 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

im not arguing gretzky is an all time great, im just saying connor would do just as good if you put him on those teams

Again let's just start with 2019-20... Pick your poison.  Goals or assist or points.  Which one was McDavid the 'best' at last year?

 

I'll pick points ... Gretzky was the best for 10 years in his career.  Lemieux with 6.  Ok your turn...

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1 minute ago, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

McDavid had an exceptional playoff round against Chicago though. At the end of the day he can't make his defense and goaltending play better. 

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1 minute ago, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

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Just now, Darius said:

But you are transporting a player that has all the luxuries of modern trading, nutrition and equipment to 30 years ago.  
 

give  66 all of today’s advantages and do you really think he would have failed against the bubble team Blackhawks at his peak? Especially with the top scorer in the league on his team? ( draisaitl)  

The only guy that *could* have given 66 a run imo was Lindros (another guy I absolutely loathed) based on size, skill and brains... but he couldn't skate with his head up playing in an exceptionally filthy era.

 

You play Lindros "now" and... there's nobody that could contain that thing. And I say that with the maximum amount of hate.

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3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Guys back then could take a hit like a man.  McDiver would have gotten laughed off the ice with the trash he pulls now.

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

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1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

But not better than Gretzky or Lemieux.

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1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

They hit and fight less.

Also targeting the head is a problem now.

 

 

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Much like Bo got into St Louis heads in the playoffs, McMuffin got into our heads tonight. When he started whizzing around, systems broke down, assignments got lost, and frustration started. In the past, we used team speed, discipline, and effort to contain him, and tonight, we took our foot off the gas, and let him dictate.

 

I refuse to pin this on Jake, or Demko. Several players were a step behind, sloppy passes, not urgent, etc... I do think the team was felling pretty good about last night, and tonight’s effort showed it. 


The good thing about a game like this happening this early in the season is there’s time to analyze, learn, adapt, and be ready for the next game.

 

I did like the fight in Petey, Brock, and Hughes, they never gave up. And Hughes with a bloody bottom lip....

 

Go Canucks!!

 

 

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Just now, Petey_BOI said:

thats funny, because players are bigger stronger and faster todayy

And yet the game is not nearly as physical.  McLoser's tantrums wouldn't fly back then; an enforcer would ensure he started treating the sport with respect and stopped his diving before he got something to actually cry about.

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1 minute ago, brownky said:

The only guy that *could* have given 66 a run imo was Lindros (another guy I absolutely loathed) based on size, skill and brains... but he couldn't skate with his head up playing in an exceptionally filthy era.

 

You play Lindros "now" and... there's nobody that could contain that thing. And I say that with the maximum amount of hate.

I agree. It’s a shame he got all those head Injuries. Who knows what he could have achieved.  An absolute beast. 
 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, HKSR said:

Again let's just start with 2019-20... Pick your poison.  Goals or assist or points.  Which one was McDavid the 'best' at last year?

 

I'll pick points ... Gretzky was the best for 10 years in his career.  Lemieux with 6.  Ok your turn...

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky C 74 87 118 205 39 76 19 13 22 35 12 ONT: Brantford 22
  Paul Coffey D 80 40 86 126 104 52 19 8 14 22 21 ONT: Weston 22
  Jari Kurri R 64 52 61 113 14 38 19 14 14 28 13 Finland: Helsinki 23
  Mark Messier C 73 37 64 101 165 40 19 8 18 26 19 ALTA: Edmonton 22
  Glenn Anderson F 80 54 45 99 65 41 19 6 11 17 33 BC: Vancouver 22
  Ken Linseman F 72 18 49 67 119 30 19 10 4 14 65 ONT: Kingston 25
  Pat Hughes F 77 27 28 55 61 18 19 2 11 13 12 ALTA: Calgary 28
  Dave Hunter F 80 22 26 48 90 25 17 5 5 10 14 ONT: Petrolia 25
  Kevin Lowe D 80 4 42 46 59 37 19 3 7 10 16 PQ: Lachute 24
  Charlie Huddy D 75 8 34 42 43 50 12 1 9 10 8 ONT: Oshawa 24
  Randy Gregg D 80 13 27 40 56 40 19 3 7 10 21 ALTA: Edmonton 27
  Willy Lindstrom R 73 22 16 38 38 17 19 5 5 10 10 Sweden: Grums 32
  Jaroslav Pouzar F 67 13 19 32 44 17 14 1 2 3 12 Czech Rep.: Cakovec 32
  Kevin McClelland 1 R 52 8 20 28 127 9 18 4 6 10 42 ONT: Oshawa 21
  Dave Lumley F 56 6 15 21 68 14 19 2 5 7 44 ONT: Toronto 29
  Lee Fogolin D 80 5 16 21 125 33 19 1 4 5 23 IL: Chicago 28
  Don Jackson D 64 8 12 20 120 28 19 1 2 3 32 MN: Minneapolis 26
  Dave Semenko L 52 6 11 17 118 9 19 5 5 10 44 MAN: Winnipeg 26
  Grant Fuhr G 45 0 14 14 6 0 16 0 3 3 4 ALTA: Spruce Grove 20
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1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said:

ill pick homerism. you. may i present you the 83/84 roster. tell me this team isn't stacked.

Wayne Gretzky C 74 87 118 205 39 76 19 13 22 35 12 ONT: Brantford 22
  Paul Coffey D 80 40 86 126 104 52 19 8 14 22 21 ONT: Weston 22
  Jari Kurri R 64 52 61 113 14 38 19 14 14 28 13 Finland: Helsinki 23
  Mark Messier C 73 37 64 101 165 40 19 8 18 26 19 ALTA: Edmonton 22
  Glenn Anderson F 80 54 45 99 65 41 19 6 11 17 33 BC: Vancouver 22
  Ken Linseman F 72 18 49 67 119 30 19 10 4 14 65 ONT: Kingston 25
  Pat Hughes F 77 27 28 55 61 18 19 2 11 13 12 ALTA: Calgary 28
  Dave Hunter F 80 22 26 48 90 25 17 5 5 10 14 ONT: Petrolia 25
  Kevin Lowe D 80 4 42 46 59 37 19 3 7 10 16 PQ: Lachute 24
  Charlie Huddy D 75 8 34 42 43 50 12 1 9 10 8 ONT: Oshawa 24
  Randy Gregg D 80 13 27 40 56 40 19 3 7 10 21 ALTA: Edmonton 27
  Willy Lindstrom R 73 22 16 38 38 17 19 5 5 10 10 Sweden: Grums 32
  Jaroslav Pouzar F 67 13 19 32 44 17 14 1 2 3 12 Czech Rep.: Cakovec 32
  Kevin McClelland 1 R 52 8 20 28 127 9 18 4 6 10 42 ONT: Oshawa 21
  Dave Lumley F 56 6 15 21 68 14 19 2 5 7 44 ONT: Toronto 29
  Lee Fogolin D 80 5 16 21 125 33 19 1 4 5 23 IL: Chicago 28
  Don Jackson D 64 8 12 20 120 28 19 1 2 3 32 MN: Minneapolis 26
  Dave Semenko L 52 6 11 17 118 9 19 5 5 10 44 MAN: Winnipeg 26
  Grant Fuhr G 45 0 14 14 6 0 16 0 3 3 4 ALTA: Spruce Grove 20

Team is stacked because Gretzky, the greatest of all time, helped develop those players to a higher level.   Just like he made Chris Kontos a playoff all star and Bernie Nichols a 150 point player in Los Angeles. 
 

If Gretzky was on la for 10 of his prime years who knows how many cups and legends would have been made there. 

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