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8 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

So..... can you pick a player off waivers and then trade him back to the team who put him on waivers? Or does he have to go back on waivers before being traded? 

no - before you can trade a player that you claimed off waivers the team that you claimed him from has the right to take back that player's rights - only if they decline can you then trade that player.

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8 hours ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

I can respect that. 

Reminds me of the old Peter Zezel story in a way. Retired rather than accept trade to the Ducks so he could be with his dying niece in Ontario.  Sadly he himself died from complications I think from surgery he had less than a decade later.

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2 hours ago, oldnews said:

no - before you can trade a player that you claimed off waivers the team that you claimed him from has the right to take back that player's rights - only if they decline can you then trade that player.

Looks like teams can trade players claimed off waivers. 

 

Carolina tried to trade Anton Forsberg who they claimed off waivers from Edmonton.  They had claimed him as insurance in case their taxi squad goalie Nedeljkovic did not make it through waivers. As they did not want to carry 3 main goalies on their main roster they put him back through waivers.  He was then claimed by Winnipeg as they had waiver priority over Edmonton. 

 

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18 minutes ago, mll said:

Looks like teams can trade players claimed off waivers. 

 

Carolina tried to trade Anton Forsberg who they claimed off waivers from Edmonton.  They had claimed him as insurance in case their taxi squad goalie Nedeljkovic did not make it through waivers. As they did not want to carry 3 main goalies on their main roster they put him back through waivers.  He was then claimed by Winnipeg as they had waiver priority over Edmonton. 

 

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Of course they  can trade a player claimed on waivers. 

It appears you did not read the question - or the answer.

 

If you intend to trade a player you acquired via waivers - that player has to be offered to the other teams that made a claim (that were lower on the cue and therefore did not get the player), and to the original team that waived him (if they decide to take that player back, they can assign the player to their AHL franchise without waiving them a second time).

You cannot claim a player via waivers and trade them back to the team you claimed them from.  That was the question - not whether you can trade a player you claimed.

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2 hours ago, oldnews said:

Imagining isn't the same as knowing though - so there's not much point imagining/assuming the team he does not report to would be 'penalized.'

 

If a player does not report he is suspended - which removes his cap hit. 

Would the 35+ rule over-ride a suspension for failure to report?

I don't care enought to read the cba - but I'd bet on the team that got shafted in the claim not being on the hook for a player that violates the terms of his contract (and the cba).

They might still be on the hook for his salary?

It's a good question but whatever the answer - both the Leafs and Spezza come off as entitled wankers (not the surprising really - they're Toronto)

That age 35+ cap hit is only for multi-year contracts and Spezza has a 1-year deal - in case of retirement the cap hit is removed.

 

On the subject, depending on the contract structure the cap hit could also be removed for age 35+ multi-year contracts.  The accounting rule for multi-year age 35 contracts has been adjusted in the CBA MOU approved this summer.  If the salary structure is flat or back-loaded and there is no signing bonus past year 1 of the deal, then the cap hit is entirely removed from the books.  

 

Corey Crawford signed an age 35+ contract but is off NJDs books thanks to that rule change.  Datsyuk had a 7.5M aav but was supposed to earn only 5.5M his final year - would have still stayed on the books under the new rule as the contract was front loaded.

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8 hours ago, oldnews said:

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Of course they  can trade a player claimed on waivers. 

It appears you did not read the question - or the answer.

 

If you intend to trade a player you acquired via waivers - that player has to be offered to the other teams that made a claim (that were lower on the cue and therefore did not get the player), and to the original team that waived him (if they decide to take that player back, they can assign the player to their AHL franchise without waiving them a second time).

You cannot claim a player via waivers and trade them back to the team you claimed them from.  That was the question - not whether you can trade a player you claimed.

The trade restriction is limited to offering him to teams who also put in a claim at the same time but that does not include the original team.  

 

Carolina could have still traded Forsberg although Edmonton most certainly wanted him back. Smith went on LTIR and they had to promote their 4th goalie without Forsberg.  Forsberg was also still in Edmonton and could avoid the 7 day quarantine.  Edmonton couldn’t get Forsberg back without Carolina putting him back on waivers first.

 

When Carolina put him back on waivers he was claimed by Winnipeg who were new to make a claim and had waiver priority over Edmonton.  If Edmonton had waiver priority over Winnipeg they would have had to keep him on their main roster and would need waivers to assign him to the taxi squad as they were not the only team to put in a claim.

 

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14 hours ago, mll said:

The trade restriction is limited to offering him to teams who also put in a claim at the same time but that does not include the original team. 

 

that's not the information I read on more than one waiver 'guide'.  If that is true it's something that changed when the CBA re-upped - and no one has noted it.

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On 1/17/2021 at 5:22 PM, oldnews said:

no - before you can trade a player that you claimed off waivers the team that you claimed him from has the right to take back that player's rights - only if they decline can you then trade that player.

Though you can in NHL 21 #assetmanagement :bigblush:

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On 1/18/2021 at 7:52 PM, oldnews said:

that's not the information I read on more than one waiver 'guide'.  If that is true it's something that changed when the CBA re-upped - and no one has noted it.

It’s not a new rule.  Checking on the article it looks like a trade back to the original team would be possible but the waiver issue remains.  

 

NJD would have taken Boucher back from Nashville and assigned him to their AHL team if that was an option.  NJD waived Boucher who was claimed by Nashville.  After a few games Nashville waived him and NJD claimed him back.  They weren’t able to assign him to the AHL because another team had put in a claim (NJD had waiver priority).  They still decided to waive him to try and send him to the AHL and he was then claimed by Vancouver.

 

From the CBA (not the CBA MOU).  Art. 13.20 (b) Trade Restrictions of Claimed Player(s):

 

A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.

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