RUPERTKBD Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 8:57 AM, aGENT said: And waste millions more tax payer dollars... Yay! I have my doubts... but maybe, just maybe this will help wake up Alberta voters to reality. Or they'll just keep digging that hole, clinging to that sad, bass-ackwards ideology My guess is that it will be Trudeau's fault.... ....followed by assertions of having "carried" the rest of Canada for years..... This is not to say that I wouldn't support federal intervention to help Alberta through the tough times....but....they still need to acknowledge that they can no longer put all their eggs in the Oil basket. I live in a town that boomed every summer, during fishing season....until the commercial fishery went into decline.....then the pulp mill closed.... We're still going and the fact is, our population hasn't changed all that much. It can be done. You just have to decide that you're going to do it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: My guess is that it will be Trudeau's fault.... ....followed by assertions of having "carried" the rest of Canada for years..... This is not to say that I wouldn't support federal intervention to help Alberta through the tough times....but....they still need to acknowledge that they can no longer put all their eggs in the Oil basket. I live in a town that boomed every summer, during fishing season....until the commercial fishery went into decline.....then the pulp mill closed.... We're still going and the fact is, our population hasn't changed all that much. It can be done. You just have to decide that you're going to do it. I'm worried this can't/won't happen. It's all part of their mythos and I'm not sure that a lot of them will allow themselves to speak it in to truth. It will only poke holes in their misguided narrative and ideology... And we know THAT can't happen. They can't have been wrong about all these things... They can't admit that doubling down on it with electing Kenney and ok'ing his sinking billions in to it was wrong. It will HAVE to be external forces that caused it, not their own short sighted, poor planning and and misguided agenda they allowed themselves to be duped into by a bunch of snake oil salesmen who sucked away the majority of profits to foreign owned companies and left them/us holding the bag full of environmental damage. I'll be shocked if we see otherwise. Go ahead Albertans, suprise the hell out of me and take ownership of the mess you created and find yourselves in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: My guess is that it will be Trudeau's fault.... ....followed by assertions of having "carried" the rest of Canada for years..... This is not to say that I wouldn't support federal intervention to help Alberta through the tough times....but....they still need to acknowledge that they can no longer put all their eggs in the Oil basket. I live in a town that boomed every summer, during fishing season....until the commercial fishery went into decline.....then the pulp mill closed.... We're still going and the fact is, our population hasn't changed all that much. It can be done. You just have to decide that you're going to do it. I was born in Ocean Falls B.C., a pulp mill town, where the residents would say "The mill will never close" Well it did. For years people in Powell River would say "The mill will never close" but now only employs 275 people. One industry people, towns, provinces and counties are going down a dangerous path; eventually they reach the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, gurn said: I was born in Ocean Falls B.C., a pulp mill town, where the residents would say "The mill will never close" Well it did. For years people in Powell River would say "The mill will never close" but now only employs 275 people. One industry people, towns, provinces and counties are going down a dangerous path; eventually they reach the end. There's a lot of that up here in the north too. A lot of small towns that have seen better days. The reality is that oil, while it may be a strong industry for now, will eventually become less and less important. As society heads further down the technology path, the demand for oil is going to decrease eventually. What I really think Alberta needs to do is look to new industries. Manufacturing should to be reasonably in demand for a long enough time, or what about the very thing that's going to eventually put the oil industry out of business: technology. Make Calgary or Edmonton or both into a technology hub. And sure, this group's going to be different than the group on the oil fields and I'm sure those people are used to making enough income to afford 234232 extended cab lifted pickup trucks and are probably against this, but that's just the sad harsh reality in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 How much money has been wasted on this. Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, The Lock said: Yeah, a lot of this is Alberta lashing out at the world for not seeing their demands... while not fulfilling anyone else's demands. You have to give to get. It's not you just get. Kenney had the balls to say this in his strongly worded letter. The frigging gall of him saying that after the Harper government sold almost every potential staple of canadian production still existing to foreign ownership is damning. now he has opened the land titles and registry to potential foreign ownership/control as well. This clown is a national joke and Alberta now deserves what they voted for. "The fact that it was a campaign promise makes it no less offensive. Our country has never surrendered our vital economic interests because a foreign government campaigned against them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: My guess is that it will be Trudeau's fault.... ....followed by assertions of having "carried" the rest of Canada for years..... This is not to say that I wouldn't support federal intervention to help Alberta through the tough times....but....they still need to acknowledge that they can no longer put all their eggs in the Oil basket. I live in a town that boomed every summer, during fishing season....until the commercial fishery went into decline.....then the pulp mill closed.... We're still going and the fact is, our population hasn't changed all that much. It can be done. You just have to decide that you're going to do it. In his strongly worded letter he immediately blamed Trudeau for not doing anything. Even though trudeau was on the phone the moment the inauguration was over asking Biden to continue production and honour the agreements in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: In his strongly worded letter he immediately blamed Trudeau for not doing anything. Even though trudeau was on the phone the moment the inauguration was over asking Biden to continue production and honour the agreements in place It must be nice as a politician to have such a convenient target to blame for anything that goes wrong.... ....the "Luongo's contract" of Alberta politics... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: It must be nice as a politician to have such a convenient target to blame for anything that goes wrong.... ....the "Luongo's contract" of Alberta politics... You know I wish I was kidding but... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-trudeau-letter-keystone-xl-1.5883751 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, gurn said: I was born in Ocean Falls B.C., a pulp mill town, where the residents would say "The mill will never close" Well it did. For years people in Powell River would say "The mill will never close" but now only employs 275 people. One industry people, towns, provinces and counties are going down a dangerous path; eventually they reach the end. It's why I don't get why we still advocate for multiplying to, 8, 9, 10.... 15, 20?! billion people. I mean if we want to go green, less people will do that. Industries can be easily sustained with fewer people now, and eventually IT becomes so streamlined that everyone is using the same systems and programming that one IT guy has 10 companies as his clients, so "learning to code" eventually becomes meaningless as well. "Oh no but people's pensions" my argument would be, and I know I've said this before, maybe companies should have to compete for workers for once, maybe this would increase wages. IMO a capitalist society has flow both ways, immigration is just a tool to keep the flow going upwards all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, gurn said: I was born in Ocean Falls B.C., a pulp mill town, where the residents would say "The mill will never close" Well it did. For years people in Powell River would say "The mill will never close" but now only employs 275 people. One industry people, towns, provinces and counties are going down a dangerous path; eventually they reach the end. Now Powell River is becoming a retirement community.Not everyone wants to live in Vancouver but you have to do it for a half decent job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Violator said: Now Powell River is becoming a retirement community.Not everyone wants to live in Vancouver but you have to do it for a half decent job. Powell River, is so crowded now: You can wait at a light for 2 cycles before getting through. It can take 3 minutes to get on the main drag from a side street, even for a right hand turn. Line ups at grocery stores are more than two people long. The medical system up here is overloading, yet the hospital has one complete floor left empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hasn't the whole "putting your eggs in one basket for 40+ years for a dying industry will backfire" been known for awhile? This is just classic conservative nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: In his strongly worded letter he immediately blamed Trudeau for not doing anything. Even though trudeau was on the phone the moment the inauguration was over asking Biden to continue production and honour the agreements in place I took a quick look at the letter and I can't help but think of it as a guy who goes up the window at the track and says, "I bet on the wrong horse. I want my money back"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 6:11 PM, Sharpshooter said: Good. Finally. Pretty much. Biden is simply signing the death certificate on the long mouldering corpse of Keystone XL. It was never going to happen, IMO, regardless of political fortunes. And it’s been quite a while since the project made any real sense, either economically, or environmentally (if it ever even did to begin with). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 9:22 AM, Warhippy said: America over the last 12 years has pumped their production full of steroids to the point they're a net exporter of oil and gas. The one thing NOBODY in Alberta seems to consider at all, is that the US has literally zero need or incentive to allow Canadian exports through their country as it will take money out of their pockets. The US helped destroy the Canadian energy plan in the 80s to ensure that Iran/Iraq/Saudi had no hold over them via energy shocks as they wanted a secure source of oil nobody could hamper. NAFTA helped cement that. Now they don't need us as they've ramped up everything in their own nation, Biden has not re-enacted protections for oil development areas because he knows there's still a few decades where oil for fuel will be essential. Basically, Alberta signed their own fate back in the 80s and the US has zero need now at all to help them. Kenney is demanding trade wars and sanctions against the US yet taking no ownership for the waste and lies he foisted upon the people in his province. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/keystone-xl-u-s-oil-supplies-pipeline-alberta-biden-1.5882313 This isn’t entirely true. Most refineries in the US need a heavier crude to refine into product. Mexico, Canada and Saudi crude are still the most suitable grades. The production surge in the lower 48 is a very light grade. It’s condensate. It already looks like gasoline. This stuff can’t be refined on its own so they mix it with heavier grades and refine the larger volume. Canadian crude is actually very desirable because of its SG and discounted price. It has a high surfer content so not a lot of refineries can make it into gasoline but they do make it into coke for steel products and asphalt right out of the pipeline. The bottom line is the world isn’t in a oil/ gas production vs consumption crunch anymore. That is where this era of wealth came from. Where oil is today is pretty average historically. The root cause of the rise and fall of Alberta isn’t due to a lack of pipeline expansion, it’s due to lower oil prices cause by a surge in production. The more market share Canada takes the more oil will be on the market and the lower the prices. Alberta was booming at $100 oil without pipelines and if oil jumps up again which I believe it will we will see Alberta rebound. Another alarming trend is the premature move from FF energy infrastructure that feeds basically everything that keeps us alive in today’s world. The inevitable switch to clean energy is going to require a nearly completely new global power grid. Everyone talks about Tesla taking over the world but they sold less than 500k units last year. It’s huge growth but it puts into perspective how much further we have to go. California already has rolling blackouts during heat waves. How on earth are they going to be able to support a huge surge in EV’s with a clean energy power grid? It’s simply not possible right now. For the time being, and there will be some time. North America should keep the oil on the continent and off the ocean. We should become energy independent, use that revenue to invest in a power grid and things to help transition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 1:20 PM, gurn said: Powell River, is so crowded now: You can wait at a light for 2 cycles before getting through. It can take 3 minutes to get on the main drag from a side street, even for a right hand turn. Line ups at grocery stores are more than two people long. The medical system up here is overloading, yet the hospital has one complete floor left empty. My sarcasm detector is whispering to me so I am not sure if you're serious... but the bold is certainly not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: My sarcasm detector is whispering to me so I am not sure if you're serious... but the bold is certainly not true. Actually true. Corner of Duncan and Joyce is busy at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, gurn said: Actually true. Corner of Duncan and Joyce is busy at times. I have yet to wait more than a light cycle, even through rush hour. I guess maybe in summer in a non covid year. We will see in 2022 I guess.. lol fml. But anyway I digress.. How about that Keystone fiasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The Q continuum had already put forth impeachment articles. This could be resolved rather quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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