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Petterson is not the problem but a giveway on a powerplay is telling.  He needs to go back to basic and play a simple game since he is a marked man.  That's my basic summary of his play is that he needs to simplify his game and once he get confidence, he then can try plays that made him good.

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5 hours ago, cyacry said:

Fans as a whole, never said personally.  

that's even worse. Why should people be collectively embarrassed over other people playing a game?

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5 hours ago, Bastard said:

Everyone is personally affected because Canucks is a Vancouver team.. they represent the city and sports fans, they are West Coast pride when they lose it affects West Coast appeals affects prices  affects real-estate affects so much..  believe it or not a lot of people have deep rooted investment in this team so yes their losses and their emebtassment are personal 

ya and they take it way to seriously. Its just a game. 

 

And it sure as $&!# does not effect prices or real estate. 

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35 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Good post.  Cap Friendly says you are correct.  Edler is a UFA at the end of this season so they (Kraken) could pick him if he agreed to a contract and the Canucks didn't sign him this summer.  I agree, trades will be very difficult this year with the Covid rules.  

Seattle can also just let Edler walk after picking him.  They are not obliged to extend him.  He will be considered as the pick for Vancouver.  For some teams they might prefer taking a UFA and let him walk then take on a bad contract.

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All the fundamentals were out of the window in the second. 

This isn't just a roster problem being short handed in D with injuries. 

 

Have to get back to playing solid hockey. They could use a practice, but the schedule is so tight that don't have time. 

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Next game I want to see:

 

Motte - Miller - Boeser

Pearson - Horvat - Sutter

Höglander - Pettersson - Gaudette

Virtanen - Beagle - MacEwan

 

First line can score and defend well

Second line mainly used as shutdown line (Horvat is quiet good at creating chances off the rush)

Third line is primary offensive line and with sheltered matchups/ozone starts they should be able to do some damage

Fourth line is now a checking/Engergy line with sheltered minutes (6-8min/game)

Virtanen can take a couple of shifts in Sutter's and/or Motte's spot (especially after a PK) and PP2 time to get over 10 minutes/game

 

Hughes -Schmidt

AHL - AHL

AHL - AHL

 

Also to the Benning haters: Don't forget who he drafted and at what time he signed some of the bad contracts. The only reason why

we really complain about those contracts is because we got competitive much quicker than anyone thought (3-5 years ago). Also

we are perfectly set up for the expansion draft (there won't be a Markstrom/Demko problem or maybe losing Gaudette because we would

need to protect Toffoli or something like that) and in about 1.5 years from now all the bad contracts are cleared and we can start

to contend for the cup.

 

EDIT: This might help Pettersson and Gaudette to improve their Face-off skills as they are forced to take the face-offs but they can be

aggressive and risk being waived out..

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Its honestly sad that the Habs are such a better team than us. On paper our defense is good, Hughes was supposed to be the best defenseman in Canada (or atleast top 3), and Miller/Pettersson/Boeser are as good, if not better, than most lines in Canada.

 

I feel like its a new team gelling. The defensive structure is struggling. And deficient complementary pieces are being exposed. But this is Pettersson & Hughes that need to step up. Horvat is doing his part, Miller has been a solidifying presence, Boeser has scored, but Pettersson needs to produce more. Hughes is a bit different as a defenseman, even in his bad games he still produces, but he needs to take it up a notch too. 

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17 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I wonder what the defence is going to look like next game without Chatfield and possibly Myers, don't even know who we have left?

 

Hughes - Schmidt

Juolevi - Rafferty

Benn? - Woo?

 

Brisebois & Rathbone are the next 2 on the taxi squad. Woo isn't eligible to play. And there's talk that Benn isn't even ready either despite practicing.

 

If Myers is suspended & Benn can't go, it'll be both Breezer & Rathbone, no?

 

Juolevi - Schmidt

Hughes - Rafferty

Brisebois - Rathbone

 

*Edler

*Hamonic

*Myers

*Chatfield

*Benn

 

 

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I think people have to remember that JB went into the mindset this season that the ED is on its way and didn't want to gun it or go all in (the way stupider teams like Calgary have) because Seattle is really going to shake things up and we're vulnerable to lose someone good on the draft. That and Covid has left us with this patch work team which, to be fair, isn't that bad on paper, but really should be better than 2-4-0.

 

Yes, we need to get better and I'm sure we'll grow as the season progresses, and will still have a shot as long as we hover around .500, but I don't think anyone's losing a job in this asterix season mainly because of the ED and its long term implications. That, along with some big cap changes soon (Hughes, Petey, big names off the books) means this is a transition year. Yeah the playoffs would be nice but we could easily pick top 5 and then next season win our division.

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3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Brisebois & Rathbone are the next 2 on the taxi squad. Woo isn't eligible to play. And there's talk that Benn isn't even ready either despite practicing.

 

If Myers is suspended & Benn can't go, it'll be both Breezer & Rathbone, no?

 

Juolevi - Schmidt

Hughes - Rafferty

Brisebois - Rathbone

 

*Edler

*Hamonic

* Myers

*Chatfield

 

Looking at CapFriendly they don’t seem to have the cap space to recall both Rathbone and Brisebois.  They would need to put someone on LTIR or waive/demote someone else than just Eriksson. 

 

CapFriendly shows Vancouver with 600K in cap space.  Demoting Eriksson adds 1.075M but it’s still insufficient to bring up both Brisebois and Rathbone from the taxi squad.  

 

As the team is in LTIR, Rathbone’s recall cap hit includes his performance bonus so 1.775M if not more with games played bonuses - that’s more than the 1.675M after demoting Eriksson.  Brisebois is a 700K cap hit.

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2 minutes ago, mll said:

Looking at CapFriendly they don’t seem to have the cap space to recall both Rathbone and Brisebois.  They would need to put someone on LTIR or waive/demote someone else than just Eriksson. 

 

CapFriendly shows Vancouver with 600K in cap space.  Demoting Eriksson adds 1.075M but it’s still insufficient to bring up both Brisebois and Rathbone from the taxi squad.  

 

As the team is in LTIR, Rathbone’s recall cap hit includes his performance bonus so 1.775M if not more with games played bonuses - that’s more than the 1.675M after demoting Eriksson.  Brisebois is a 700K cap hit.

 

Is there emergency recall? How do Edler, Hamonic, Myers, Benn, & Chatfield factor in cap wise? If they can't go they can't go, what can you do? 

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29 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Its honestly sad that the Habs are such a better team than us. On paper our defense is good, Hughes was supposed to be the best defenseman in Canada (or atleast top 3), and Miller/Pettersson/Boeser are as good, if not better, than most lines in Canada.

 

I feel like its a new team gelling. The defensive structure is struggling. And deficient complementary pieces are being exposed. But this is Pettersson & Hughes that need to step up. Horvat is doing his part, Miller has been a solidifying presence, Boeser has scored, but Pettersson needs to produce more. Hughes is a bit different as a defenseman, even in his bad games he still produces, but he needs to take it up a notch too. 

Overhyping Hughes and Pettersson is not going to make us look any better. We just freaking played like a AHL team and Montreal walked all over us. And they are just an above average team at best. 

 

Let's hope the team is just out of sync and this isn't some fundamental problem. If this continues, I think we may have a coaching change soon. 

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Tyler Myers. What a&^@#ing joke. 

 

Myers suspended for a couple games, Chatfield, Hamonic, Edler out. Yeah. We are so &^@#ing screwed Saturday it's not even funny

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46 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Is there emergency recall? How do Edler, Hamonic, Myers, Benn, & Chatfield factor in cap wise? If they can't go they can't go, what can you do? 

 

Teams that don’t have enough cap space can invoke emergency roster exception once their roster drops below 12F + 6 Ds but have to play 1 game short-handed before being able to make that recall.  

 

The rule has been slightly amended for this season.  They can recall a player with up to 1M cap including bonuses (normally 800K).  If the recall is due to Covid protocol then they don’t have to play 1 game short-handed beforehand.  Injuries and suspensions would probably require a short-handed game though.

 

Also Rathbone would not qualify for roster emergency exception given his cap hit exceeds 1M but Brisebois would.  

 

It looks like the Canucks have already used that rule to bring up Rafferty with Benn in Covid protocol.  CapFriendly shows that the Canucks are at 86.1M and over 4.65M deep in LTIR when they only have 4.3M in LTIR cap space (Ferland 3.5 + Hawryluk 800K).  It might be a coding issue where they don’t distinguish between LTIR and roster emergency exception. 

 

They have 2 extra Fs on the roster with Eriksson being one of them.  Demoting him creates the room to recall Brisebois.

 

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2 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Teams that don’t have enough cap space can invoke emergency roster exception once their roster drops below 12F + 6 Ds but have to play 1 game short-handed before being able to make that recall.  

 

The rule has been slightly amended for this season.  They can recall a player with up to 1M cap including bonuses (normally 800K).  If the recall is due to Covid protocol then they don’t have to play 1 game short-handed beforehand.  Injuries and suspensions would probably require a short-handed game though.

 

Also Rathbone would not qualify for roster emergency exception given his cap hit exceeds 1M but Brisebois would.  

 

It looks like the Canucks have already used that rule to bring up Rafferty with Benn in Covid protocol.  CapFriendly shows that the Canucks are at 86.1M and over 4.65M deep in LTIR when they only have 4.3M in LTIR cap space (Ferland 3.5 + Hawryluk 800K).  It might be a coding issue where they don’t distinguish between LTIR and roster emergency exception. 

 

They have 2 extra Fs on the roster with Eriksson being one of them. 

 

This is why I rely on people such as yourself who actually know what the rules are. :lol: Thanks.

 

Atleast Eriksson is a defensive player... 

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