Fred65 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Got the Babych said: How did you get to winning the cup this year? I asked how we would get to the next level. Next level would be reaching the mediocrity the retool was striving for. Would still love to hear hear about this amazing prospect pool! I'm watching it all unfold as you suggested. It's really bad. JB promoted the best of the prospects this year, don't keep expecting inexperience prospects to play the role of saviour. Chatfield is a 5-6 D. Virtanen has failed despite his numerous opportunity. Juolevi is unable to bump Edler, Hughes or Schmidt. now which prospects are better than those. Which prospects are going to bump any of the current roster .... maybe ..... maybe DiPietro that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Maybe Benning can trade our first 3 picks away again to try and save his job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Fred65 said: JB promoted the best of the prospects this year, don't keep expecting inexperience prospects to play the role of saviour. Chatfield is a 5-6 D. Virtanen has failed despite his numerous opportunity. Juolevi is unable to bump Edler, Hughes or Schmidt. now which prospects are better than those. Which prospects are going to bump any of the current roster .... maybe ..... maybe DiPietro that's it Hey, don't blame me, I've said the cupboards are pretty bare! I think Podz should be an NHLer, but no saviour. I was responding to "We have NEVER had a prospect pool like he has given us" above. And we hear this sentiment often, I don't get where it's coming from. JB does say that every year, though. Any prospect with a pulse has been given a shot and with no 1st,2nd, or Madden from last year, how will the holes be filled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Maybe Benning can trade our first 3 picks away again to try and save his job. Man, don't even joke about this! Would you be completely shocked if it happened? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 @DarkIndianRises as i mentioned earlier, you have provided well thought out points and deserve a better response(I often work "off-grid"). I agree that building a competitor is complicated and there is no sure fire plan. I don't think (purposely) tanking for years is a good solution, and I think a good mix of vets to support the rookies is a good thing. But, I think having a plan (in all things) is good, even if the plan has to adapt/change on the fly. Of course hindsight, but the main source of my despair is that we have sucked for so long without making any trade deadline moves, instead waiting for tradeable pieces to walk during fee agency. The one thing all powerhouse teams have in common is that they made bold moves to trade key pieces for the future. We chose to do zero of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, Got the Babych said: @DarkIndianRises as i mentioned earlier, you have provided well thought out points and deserve a better response(I often work "off-grid"). I agree that building a competitor is complicated and there is no sure fire plan. I don't think (purposely) tanking for years is a good solution, and I think a good mix of vets to support the rookies is a good thing. But, I think having a plan (in all things) is good, even if the plan has to adapt/change on the fly. Of course hindsight, but the main source of my despair is that we have sucked for so long without making any trade deadline moves, instead waiting for tradeable pieces to walk during fee agency. The one thing all powerhouse teams have in common is that they made bold moves to trade key pieces for the future. We chose to do zero of that. I think the Toffoli and Miller deals have proven that Benning is willing to make 'balsy' moves if he sees fit but I'm just really sad over what's going on right now. I don't want to speculate on what I don't understand, but I think there might be something wrong in the dressing room right now. Are the players pissed off over losing Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli? Do they feel that management turned their backs on them by appearing not to give them the vote of confidence? While I understand what management is doing, I'm not sure if most media members do.......and now I'm wondering if the players themselves are confused over management's plan. Just feeling really bummed out by the state of affairs right now. The "Canucks fans" on HF are probably delirious with joy right now so good for them I guess. Ditto for guys like JD Burke, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Got the Babych said: Man, don't even joke about this! Would you be completely shocked if it happened? He won't. If the Canucks are out of playoff contention by a wide margin when the deadline rolls around, Pearson will be get moved. Benn and Sutter will also get moved if there are takers, and Edler will also be moved IF management relays to him that they don't intend to re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said: I think the Toffoli and Miller deals have proven that Benning is willing to make 'balsy' moves if he sees fit but I'm just really sad over what's going on right now. I don't want to speculate on what I don't understand, but I think there might be something wrong in the dressing room right now. Are the players pissed off over losing Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli? Do they feel that management turned their backs on them by appearing not to give them the vote of confidence? While I understand what management is doing, I'm not sure if most media members do.......and now I'm wondering if the players themselves are confused over management's plan. Just feeling really bummed out by the state of affairs right now. The "Canucks fans" on HF are probably delirious with joy right now so good for them I guess. Ditto for guys like JD Burke, etc. Agreed on sad. I think the "retool" has been a mess, but I think the group we have is above average, better than whatever the hell we are seeing right now. But, I would say those moves were desperate, squeak into to the playoffs moves-job-saving. "Ballsy" would have been making trade deadline moves for the future with any of the plethora of pending free agents we eventually snubbed anyway. Again, I would say that the one common thread with teams that have turned things around is that they saw the obvious writing on the wall and made moves for the future even if they statistically had a hail-Mary shot of making the playoffs. Not talking about tanking for picks, just recognizing that the team is not a contender and getting assets instead of praying for a wildcard spot and then losing valuable free agents for zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Got the Babych said: Agreed on sad. I think the "retool" has been a mess, but I think the group we have is above average, better than whatever the hell we are seeing right now. But, I would say those moves were desperate, squeak into to the playoffs moves-job-saving. "Ballsy" would have been making trade deadline moves for the future with any of the plethora of pending free agents we eventually snubbed anyway. Again, I would say that the one common thread with teams that have turned things around is that they saw the obvious writing on the wall and made moves for the future even if they statistically had a hail-Mary shot of making the playoffs. Not talking about tanking for picks, just recognizing that the team is not a contender and getting assets instead of praying for a wildcard spot and then losing valuable free agents for zero. The only thing I’m hanging onto right now is the argument that our results have been “predictable” so far in the sense that..... 1) We destroyed Ottawa in all three games. 2) We are around .500 against other “middle of the road” teams in Calgary, Winnipeg, and Edmonton (one game below). 3) We are obviously dreadful against the two “top 8” calibre teams in our division. Im willing to hang my hat on the idea that “we need a bigger sample size against Calgary, Winnipeg, and Edmonton,” to see where this team is really at but beyond that, I won’t be able to defend this team much if we start getting blown out by those three teams as well. Edited February 7, 2021 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said: The only thing I’m hanging onto right now is the argument that our results have been “predictable” so far in the sense that..... 1) We destroyed Ottawa in all three games. 2) We are around .500 against other “middle of the road” teams in Calgary, Winnipeg, and Edmonton (one game below). 3) We are obviously dreadful against the two “top 8” calibre teams in our division. Im willing to hang my hat on the idea that “we need a bigger sample size against Calgary, Winnipeg, and Edmonton,” to see where this team is really at but beyond that, I won’t be able to defend this team much if we start getting blown out by those three teams as well. Yeah cool, try to keep it positive brother. I'm struggling with that. I don't see a way out of this anytime soon, but I will readily accept being happy over being right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
180sret Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Man, don't play the dumb card! I asked YOU if you were expecting a cup this year. The prospect pool in the last couple of years has been the best that the Canucks have had in the 50 fracking years I've watched. You're right, watching it unfold is painful right now, but thats sports! Its played by people and most teams experience these types of setbacks. Suck it up Buttercup, it might get worse or better, all we can do watch (or piss and moan)! I'll watch because I won't pretend to know what the team should do. They have people for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
180sret Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Sorry, forgot to quote Got the Babych. I guess my point is we can get all upset but truthfully I kind of expected a fallback this year. I think certain players who had success scoring last year were thinking it would be easy this year. If we're honest with ourselves, this is common to a lot of teams coming out of a rebuild. I hate seeing them lose but at the end of the day it really doesn't change much in my life. Every day is a new one lol, and I keep cheering for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanucksJay Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I actually think the Canucks choice to retool instead of rebuild could have put them in a much worse situation than now. The fact that we got the best player in the draft in Hughes and Pettersson without completely tanking is as if we tanked and got the first overall picks. So in that sense we are quite fortunate that our retool looked more like a rebuild in terms of results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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