Should transgender athletes be able to compete against the gender they identify with?

[KristoffWixenschon]

22 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

I never called Lancaster disgusting. It was probably an honest mistake. The language was ungrammatical at best and offensive at worst. The way they used it was too close to a common slur for transgender people.

 

Transgender women are not "guys who want to be girls," nor are trans men "girls who want to be guys." Trans women are women and trans men are men, end of story.

Language is important.  We use language to define things and people.  I agree we need to use respectful language to show people that we respect them.  

 

And I also agree that this is a complex topic and we probably will not see a valuable discussion about it here.  

But I also think that if someone experienced puberty with a large production of testosterone, that they generally have a physical advantage over those that did not.  

But there are just too many variables for there to be a solution that makes everyone feel happy, secure, safe and heard.  For example, when would someone have started hormone replacement therapy?  What is the data on that?  What about people who have an XX chromosomal profile but have outwardly male sex organs, or vice versa?  There are some questions we just don't have the answers to right now.  

[DarthMelvin]

23 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

See the post above.

 

It's a transphobic opinion.

 

I am backing up my claim; stop skipping words/letters.

 

If you don't think trans women are women, you're transphobic. That's the definition.

So wrong.

 

trans·pho·bic
/ˌtranzˈfōbik/
adjective
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people.
"bullying is commonly underpinned by sexist, homophobic, or transphobic attitudes"

 

I believe that Natural women compete with other natural women.  Trans Women is not a natural women.  Do I dislike her or prejudice against her for her wish to be a women No. 

 

You see this was about competing with one another in a level of female to male aspect. you made this into something else. 

 

 

[GoCanucks16]

1 minute ago, DarthMelvin said:

So wrong.

 

trans·pho·bic
/ˌtranzˈfōbik/
adjective
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people.
"bullying is commonly underpinned by sexist, homophobic, or transphobic attitudes"

 

I believe that Natural women compete with other natural women.  Trans Women is not a natural women.  Do I dislike her or prejudice against her for her wish to be a women No. 

 

You see this was about competing with one another in a level of female to male aspect. you made this into something else. 

 

 

I don't understand why people who have homophobic, sexist or racist views don't just openly admit it.

 

Like if I hate black people, I'm going to be like "ya, I'm racist, what of it" because what do I care if people think I am what I am?

 

That's a narrow copypaste of a definition. Calling trans people "guys who want to be girls" or vice versa is absolutely a transphobic stance whether you like it or not.

[DonLever]

May question is not why or why not transgender people able to compete with others but rather does the Federal government has jurisdiction over the issue.   Isn't schools under local jurisdiction and state regulation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by DonLever

[DarthMelvin]

8 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

I don't understand why people who have homophobic, sexist or racist views don't just openly admit it.

 

Like if I hate black people, I'm going to be like "ya, I'm racist, what of it" because what do I care if people think I am what I am?

 

That's a narrow copypaste of a definition. Calling trans people "guys who want to be girls" or vice versa is absolutely a transphobic stance whether you like it or not.

I think your sole purpose was to derail this post with political correctness and prejudice. 

 

Is Ben a transphobic?

 

 

[GoCanucks16]

2 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said:

I think your sole purpose was to derail this post with political correctness and prejudice. 

 

Is Ben a transphobic?

 

 

I don't know anything about Ben Shapiro except that he can't please his wife and might have a thing for AOC's feet. I'm not going to watch the video.

[DarthMelvin]

7 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

I don't know anything about Ben Shapiro except that he can't please his wife and might have a thing for AOC's feet. I'm not going to watch the video.

[BoKnows]

Thought about it and she come down to hormones imo.  Also no one under 18 should take hormone blockers so at the high school level no, collegiate level maybe, professional level yeah if the hormones are in check.  

[-AJ-]

It absolutely destroys any hope for biologically female competitors. The highest level womens sports would be dominated by transgender women, leaving nowhere for women to compete. Really, what would happen is women would just have to create their own new leagues, leaving trans women to their own league, which is exactly how it should be anyway.

 

Let trans women compete in their own league. Biological women cannot legitimately compete with trans women in most cases and I would hate to see womens sports ruined for 99% of women who dream of being professional athletes.

 

I should add that I guess if it can be verifiably proven that a trans woman has had enough hormones/surgery or whatever to put them on a level playing field, then maybe there's a world where they can compete, but even then, that's adding a very grey area to the conversation. How much is enough hormones? How many hormones and for how long? Are any surgeries necessary? What if a trans woman who qualifies by the rules ends up dominating womens hockey? Did she really take enough hormones or is she holding off on the hormones during the playoffs for a competitive advantage? Do we need to regularly test trans women for horomones at regular intervals to make sure they remain in regular amounts? It really just becomes a bit of a mess.

 

Obviously, letting trans men compete in mens leagues is a non-issue, as there's no biological advantage, so I don't see any issue with that. Biological women are technically allowed in the NHL, for example, it's just that none of them are good enough to play in the NHL.

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, BoKnows said:

Now that’s a loaded question 

One might even say ballsy.  :-p

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, Lancaster said:

Not PC.... but biological male are male... biological females are female.  Let them compete base on sex, not gender.  

I

This 100%

 

I don't agree with Biden at all on this one but it looks like I'll need to get used to saying that (and no, I'm not a Republican nor do/did I support Trump).

[Junkyard Dog]

For the sake of biologically born women I’d say no. 
 

Not thing against trans-women but being born a man has physical advantages.

[Rubik]

everybody with some common sense in this thread:

 

 

but yeah, as junkyard dog said, nothing against trans people, but it's pretty telling when a man ranks sth like 200th amongst other men, then he transitions to female and suddenly dominates the women's category

Edited February 4, 2021 by Rubik

[Duodenum]

No, absolutely not. 

 

Way too huge of an advantage to be born male and transition to female.

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

33 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

It absolutely destroys any hope for biologically female competitors. The highest level womens sports would be dominated by transgender women, leaving nowhere for women to compete. Really, what would happen is women would just have to create their own new leagues, leaving trans women to their own league, which is exactly how it should be anyway.

 

Let trans women compete in their own league. Biological women cannot legitimately compete with trans women in most cases and I would hate to see womens sports ruined for 99% of women who dream of being professional athletes.

 

I should add that I guess if it can be verifiably proven that a trans woman has had enough hormones/surgery or whatever to put them on a level playing field, then maybe there's a world where they can compete, but even then, that's adding a very grey area to the conversation. How much is enough hormones? How many hormones and for how long? Are any surgeries necessary? What if a trans woman who qualifies by the rules ends up dominating womens hockey? Did she really take enough hormones or is she holding off on the hormones during the playoffs for a competitive advantage? Do we need to regularly test trans women for horomones at regular intervals to make sure they remain in regular amounts? It really just becomes a bit of a mess.

 

Obviously, letting trans men compete in mens leagues is a non-issue, as there's no biological advantage, so I don't see any issue with that. Biological women are technically allowed in the NHL, for example, it's just that none of them are good enough to play in the NHL.

You are using your personal beliefs about transgenders and suggesting they should be segregated into their own leagues.  They did something like that in baseball once.  And then this happened:

 

 

Oh yes... don't ignore the fact that for centuries black people were treated as some brutish, beastly race that would just ruin the good ol' ball game.  Jackie was just too good.  Why'd he have to go and ruin all the fun?

[4petesake]

1 hour ago, DarthMelvin said:

I think your sole purpose was to derail this post with political correctness and prejudice. 

 

Is Ben a transphobic?

 

Not a comment on your or any other positions on the topic but as an aside I rarely ever watch anything that has “destroyed “ in the title. I know already that the uploader has decided what my views should be.

 

[-AJ-]

15 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

You are using your personal beliefs about transgenders and suggesting they should be segregated into their own leagues.  They did something like that in baseball once.  And then this happened:

 

 

Oh yes... don't ignore the fact that for centuries black people were treated as some brutish, beastly race that would just ruin the good ol' ball game.  Jackie was just too good.  Why'd he have to go and ruin all the fun?

I'm not sure blacks really have a biological advantage over whites when it comes to athletics, and even if they do, it's not nearly to the degree that trans women would over biological women. Yes, we do see blacks dominate sports like sprinting, but we do still see strong white competitors too. If trans women were allowed to compete in womens sports, every single woman except for generational talents would be able to compete, especially a sport like hockey.

 

The issue of blacks not being in sports back then was an issue of racism due to skin colour and had little to do with actual athletic ability. It's well documented that trans women have a massive advantage over biological women in sports. 

[Twilight Sparkle]

sports are evolving and that's just how it is. olympics state somewhere that a trans athlete has to go under hormone therapy for a certain amount of time to be eligible. i would think most other sports have a ruling similar to that. it's not as easy as being a cis man and saying, "yea i'm a chick, I want in"

 

if you don't believe a trans woman is a woman, or a trans male is a male, yes, are you transphobic. not recognizing or outright dismissing someone's pronouns, you are transphobic. if you say ignorant things like "make a separate league" you guessed it, you are transphobic

 

if you're a cis person who thinks any of these things, do better. educate yourself on trans issues and how trans people and non-binary people (such as myself) have fought a lifetime of dysphoria and bullying and people being ****heads by refusing to use correct pronouns to invalidate trans and non-binary people because they think it's funny or "not right."

 

trans athletes today still being harassed by cis people and media who don't have a clue what a trans person is thinking, how they're transitioning and how it's affecting them physically and mentally, they always resort to the same argument "well BIOLOGICALLY" to further invalidate trans men and women. sports is for everyone.

[-AJ-]

1 minute ago, Twilight Sparkle said:

sports are evolving and that's just how it is. olympics state somewhere that a trans athlete has to go under hormone therapy for a certain amount of time to be eligible. i would think most other sports have a ruling similar to that. it's not as easy as being a cis man and saying, "yea i'm a chick, I want in"

 

if you don't believe a trans woman is a woman, or a trans male is a male, yes, are you transphobic. not recognizing or outright dismissing someone's pronouns, you are transphobic. if you say ignorant things like "make a separate league" you guessed it, you are transphobic

 

if you're a cis person who thinks any of these things, do better. educate yourself on trans issues and how trans people and non-binary people (such as myself) have fought a lifetime of dysphoria and bullying and people being ****heads by refusing to use correct pronouns to invalidate trans and non-binary people because they think it's funny or "not right."

 

trans athletes today still being harassed by cis people and media who don't have a clue what a trans person is thinking, how they're transitioning and how it's affecting them physically and mentally, they always resort to the same argument "well BIOLOGICALLY" to further invalidate trans men and women. sports is for everyone.

Except for biological women, evidently, who have any chance of competing taken away from them. Sports is now for men and trans women.

[Intoewsables]

3 hours ago, smokes said:

2. Do transgender athletes also have to share the same dressing rooms with the female athletes? As a father of a daughter, I am not sure I am comfortable with that nor make my daughter come home to get changed.

Okay, I'll bite. What exactly are you getting at here?