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[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Laffs | February 4, 2021 | 4 p.m. PT | SNP

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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Feb. 04, 2021   Link to Game Summary   ———   FULL REPLAY | Tanner Pearson's 1-1 Goal     FULL REPLAY | Bo Horvat's 2-3 Goal     FULL REPLAY | J.T. Miller's 3-6 Goal  

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Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

He wasn't a PKer for us and only averaged 15:21 last year during the season and 16:20 in the playoffs.

 

He was a top 6 D for us at best.

 

We also sucked defensively last year. Gave up a lot of chances as well. There's a reason why Marky was our MVP.

4th in Vezina voting that season as well.

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3 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

That's a weak team then....   Don't forget that we had Toffoli for a grand total of TEN regular season games.  

 

Quinn sucking can be attributed to Tanev, I'll give you that.  Quinn is supposed to be our best d-man, and he's not playing like one.  Myers is really sucking big time this year too. 

Ya but when u pay high price and trade for a guy like toffoli u dont let him walk. Especially at 4.25 mill..

 

If u want to build on last year towards a Cup u need more toffolis not less. 

 

Its a horrible decision losing him. Just as bad as signing Loui or Myers to those terrible contracts.

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Took a few good strides....this is bs late in a runaway game like this.  This is unfinished business for me.  Big respect to Jordie B for at least responding.  This was a huge charge at Quinn and it wasn't the first.   

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9 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Similar symptoms.

 

In my eye, the principal problem at this point is that the team is essentially cheating - and failing as a result.  By cheating I mean, they are not moving the puck as units - they are endlessly hoping/attempting to stretch the ice - they are not supporting the puck - and it's leaving them in repeated situations where they are giving the puck away and facing odd man rushes.  I think things probably come too easily to this group at times, and they're suffering from undersimplifying the game - which is precisely not the way to get out of these kind of funks.  Not just EP (who I think has to get back to his game without the puck, which is what will revitalize him, not breaking out of scoring struggles - which can be half the solution, but leaving the fundamental lack of killer instinct at all times over 200ft behind.  Hughes - is too predictable = and the team is relying on him too much to carry the puck and to force transition when it just may not be there.

 

One of the things I love about Schmidt's game - is his first pass - and sometimes that is just a quick 10ft pass under pressure which creates that crack of space for the breakout/exit/transition.  That also requires puck support though - and it just seems (from a television viewpoint - which is hard to see the ice, but) it appears as though there is far too much leaking up ice looking to take too much repeatedly in transition.    Part of the reason the Beagle Motte line are looking like the team's best night in night out is because they take what is given, generally in small bites - they take care of exits before the rush - they generally don't cheat, on a hope or prayer that they're going to get space they havent' worked for (not sure how else to put that).

 

Part of me thinks it starts with the captain.  Horvat is not a pretty player - but he's committing 'soft' errors - like failing to get pucks in deep at the blueline - things you don't like to see out of a captain.  I still think he's probably too young a captain to handle situations like the present - he's not elevating his own game (by example) - and he's looking far too invisible when the team needs someone to step up.  At the same time Miller has not looked himself - so there's a dual effect in the top 6 - while I think Pearson has also been spotty at best.  For me the only two top 6 who are consitently playing 'the right way' are Boeser and Hoglander (and ironically, these are the guys that the supposed Toffoli 'solution' would have addressed).  And since we're not singling people out here, let's not leave out Roussel who has been downright hard to watch despite the odd moment - not just the braincramp penalties, but doesn't seem to have that sense necessary when it comes to moving the puck - whenever he doesn't simplify, it doesn't tend to turn out well (for me the additional irony is that people constantly question Virtanen's hockey intelligence, but he'd be nowhere near the first guy's 'hockey intelligence' that I'd question. 

 

Don't think the team can afford Roussel's inconsistency at the same time as Gaudette appears to be regressing closer to where he was last year as opposed to the opening nights of the season.  The team really needs two bottom six lines rolling right now in order to compete - imo Beagle's is, but Sutter's is suffering from highly inconsistent wing play - for me, MacEwen would be the mainstay relative to those two - and I don't like the team's chances of handling a couple lines like the Leafs have, with Sutter's line at a fraction.   Top line is vulnerable, second line needs more from Horvat (and Pearson), and the third line, Sutter needs more continuity on the wing.

 

Similar perhaps to the later stages of the playoffs - where they essentially had one - the 4th - line 'rolling' - and the team otherwise, overall, lacked intent moving the puck.

The blueline just isn't solid enough - particularly with 7th/8th D in the lineup.... Benn has been good (but needless to say, he isn't a Tanev) and Chatfield has been very good.  Perhaps the most promising thing defensively is how well Chatfield is performing in spite of it being in the context of a fire drill (yet another likeness to Tanev).

 

Even the intermissions were awful.

I mean - Patrick Johnson = simply can't listen to the guy.  He doesn't believe himself - for good reason - so why would I believe in his perspective?

Pretty sure I heard Murph and him ask the question what the problem is -and then suggest that the personnel are 'the same'.... funny market this is.

One minute it's ermagerd, the team is lost without Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli...the next the team's problems are inexplicable because the systems and the rosters are the same.   Half the blueline / half of every pairing - are new or replacement D....Their starting goaltender moved on (captain obvious point).  Another rookie in the top 6 (and line blender in effect because the team's best players - are not, in the present....). 

Anyhow if the choice is between Patrick Johnson and Satiar Shah, I think I'd have to take the latter - at least he appears to be making an effort to move from smarm towards thoughtul perspective.

 

Last point here - what an amateur performance by Pollock.   Typical, 'unpredictable' NHL zebras - they've been trigger happy thus far this year - and then tonight - complete 180, borderline threw the whistle away at times - htf is anyone supposed to know what to expect of these guys?  Bush league (there were a couple straight out of the 80s moments with Bogosian in particular running oldtime interference/clutch and grab on forecheckers....just had to laugh.  I'm critical of Roussel, but at the same time, all is fair where he's concerned, so it's not shocking he does stupid things in frustration -and in fairness to him, the one thing that annoyed me the most were his between the whistles antics, which he's largely eliminated and is simply playing the game (still need better decision making out of him, though - and if he's on one of Sutter's wings, I think the other winger needs to be the steadier element (which Gaudette is not).

 

(Make) better luck (for yourselves) next time, guys

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2 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

And it's exacerbated by the fact that we rely heavily on our possession game to offset our defensive deficiencies. And when our top forwards aren't performing, it trickles down to D.

Only way this sort of D works is if our goalie is the best guy on the ice. It's not winning hockey overall.

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3 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

That's a weak team then....   Don't forget that we had Toffoli for a grand total of TEN regular season games.  

 

Quinn sucking can be attributed to Tanev, I'll give you that.  Quinn is supposed to be our best d-man, and he's not playing like one.  Myers is really sucking big time this year too. 

Last year whenever Quinn or Myers or Edler was starting to get off in their play, Green would partner them with Tanev and they'd get their confidence back.

 

Now there is no one to do that and all three have lost their confidence.

 

What Marky did was give the team confidence that when they scr*wed up there was someone backing them up who could pull the biscuit out of the air and save the day.  Demko and Holtby are just not playing that well.  Demko will be an excellent goalie if he's not ruined by this experience, but he's not ready to put the team on his back yet.

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1 minute ago, WHL rocks said:

Ya but when u pay high price and trade for a guy like toffoli u dont let him walk. Especially at 4.25 mill..

 

If u want to build on last year towards a Cup u need more toffolis not less. 

 

Its a horrible decision losing him. Just as bad as signing Loui or Myers to those terrible contracts.

Would have come down to paying to trade Sutter (which wouldn’t have been that much) I’d do that everyday of the week. Sutter had a decent healthy season would have been so able.

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3 minutes ago, sassbs said:

He shouldn’t have signed Jake then.   If that’s the case it came down to either Toffoli or Jake. 

Hindsight. 18 goals last year. Could really use some of that right now even if we have worse problems

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2 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

4th in Vezina voting that season as well.

He covered up a lot of mistakes.

 

Team needs to learn how not to rely on our goalies so much. Demko is a 2nd year player that's still developing and Holtby will play good if he has competent D in front of him.

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