Canucks have lost faith in their coach!!! Vegas series big factor

[koregen]

The Canucks took Vegas to game 7, but at what cost? it turns out, a very heavy one.

 

Imagine being a pro high compete athlete that is very talented and you finally get to compete in the playoffs only to have your coach chain you to a post and play positional defense. This is exactly what our head coach Travis Green did to our team in the Vegas series. The odds were that the team was going to loose the series anyway, but to attach a ball and chain to the players like a bunch of slaves was a costly mistake.

 

- "Let them loose the series in style with their heads held high and let them play their game is how the series should have been played", they earned it. Instead, it became the Travis Green show of selfish pride trying to win at any cost.

 

It is no surprise that our UFA's jumped ship at the first opportunity and those still on the team have stopped trying. The team is sending a very obvious message, Travis Green is no longer respected by the players and they want him gone. It's time for a new coach and I mean immediately, while the season is still salvageable.

 

If you need further evidence have a look at the Jake Virtanen project, who has been coached by Travis Green his entire professional hockey career.

[AV.]

Nah, not really.

 

The GM, who apparently didn't have enough time re-sign his guys or whatever hot excuse he's using this week, is to blame for this mess. 

[hammertime]

[Coconuts]

Baumgartner and Brown have needed to go for a while, we extended them instead. I've always been a bit less sure about Green because the quality of his assistants, but if this season goes down the tubes it's likely we simply don't re-up him. 

 

The reality though is that teams probably aren't all that likely to fire guys til closer to the end of the season. Covid likely throws into the usual hiring/firings of the season. Who do we hire? Do we bring him up from the US to quarantine before we fire Green? Where are we getting quality assistants with the season not even being half over? Sure as hell ain't likely to be from teams trying to compete. 

 

Whether we turn it around or not, I fully expect we'll ride out our GM and coaching staff til closer to the end of the season, and a firing at that point likely only happens if there's someone we want to get a jump on for a role. If we continue to slide Nucks fans are just gonna have to suffer through it tbh, nothing new. 

[koregen]

Agreed, the PP and PK strategy is shockingly bad, bunch of pylons.

Edited February 5, 2021 by koregen

[Phil_314]

The post honestly reads like a snippet of a clickbait article, esp. when the text doesn't really have much relevance with the title, or with other sections of text.  The main gist of fire Green is pretty obvious but the supporting points are weak.

There's really several factors which have been discussed at length:
- Markstrom and Demko really carried last season when the defense collapsed
- there were weaknesses in the defense (which looked addressed e.g. with Schmidt and Hamonic) 
- clearly the structural defensive issues remain, or even evolved with no safety net in goal to cover them

That being said, your point about the UFA's is invalid as all the guys who walked expressed interest in staying so that really has nothing to do with the VGK run.

Also, since you mentioned the problem of "winning at any cost", would you rather that Demko just laid down and gave up after his team went down in the series instead of making his run?  I don't know what benefit there would've been to that, if it looked like a tank job in the postseason.  

The only thing I'd agree with you loosely about is that there's problems with their current defensive coverage.  Other than that I don't have much in agreement with your post.  

Edited February 5, 2021 by Phil_314

[Ballisticsports.]

They haven't lost faith

They are just tired

 

 

 

Maybe tired of hearing excuses they played good  for the most part whenever it's a blow out, so that they will buy in?

[EdgarM]

Although I don't entirely agree with the OP , I have not seen this entire team play this bad since the season Torts coached his last season here. The players just stopped playing for him. There is no urgency in most players game and no one seems to be having fun on that bench and I am thinking the locker room is no better. 

There is something amiss, and its only a matter of time before we find out what it is. The obvious observation of this season is that Green does not seem to know how to right this ship. These players are way better then what they have been showing us lately.

[Hairy Kneel]

Expansion draft didn't help either. We would have lost Demko if we kept Markstrom. Plus covid, then god touching Tofu's stick, then  carrying so many injured guys. Plus adding useless D men and our Utica Dmen not being NHL ready. And maybe none of the Utica Dmen will ever be NHL ready who knows. 

Tanev is Norris trophy now according to some. 

I don't think a lot in the locker room really like Green. Feels like coach killing out there. Malholtra was our only coach getting consistent results and he's gone? This years a gong show.

[koregen]

@Phil_314clickabait implies that I am posting this in order to attract views which in turn becomes monetary profit, based on sites like Youtube. Rest assured, what I wrote is a purely opinionated post which will not profit me in any way whatsoever.

Edited February 5, 2021 by koregen

[koregen]

Expansion draft was definitely the dominant issue in regards to goaltending and I think the right choice was made in regards to Markstrom, he deserves a good pay day and a 'retirement' contract. If we signed Markstrom we would loose Demko to Seattle.  

Edited February 5, 2021 by koregen

[iinatcc]

21 minutes ago, koregen said:

Expansion draft was definitely the dominant issue in regards to goaltending and I think the right choice was made in regards to Markstrom, he deserves a good pay day and a 'retirement' contract. If we signed Markstrom we would loose Demko to Seattle.  

I think it shows the way the Canucks play that Markstrom was the better goalie to keep. Sure it would have lead to losing Demko but that's the reality of the expansion draft. 

I 6 years 6 million too much? Sure but if Vancouver wants to get a #1 goalie the term and years would have been the same anyways. 

[Junkyard Dog]

1 hour ago, iinatcc said:

I think it shows the way the Canucks play that Markstrom was the better goalie to keep. Sure it would have lead to losing Demko but that's the reality of the expansion draft. 

I 6 years 6 million too much? Sure but if Vancouver wants to get a #1 goalie the term and years would have been the same anyways. 

Marky was an excuse for this team. He covered up defensively mistakes. We needed to play better in front of our goalies regardless. He kept getting hurt carrying us too. It isn't winning hockey.

 

Demko's a 2nd year goalie. He's not Marky but he fits better with the age of the team and has shown signs of promise.

 

If we keep playing like crap defensively it won't matter who we have in net though. We need to be better.

[Ballisticsports.]

Disappointed Marky left and that he didn't take something of much less from the Canucks, whom after all if not for their patience in him when clearing waivers and no one wanted him, Canucks helped him and without that may never have made what he was with the Canucks

I guess it is a business, The Canucks gave him an apprenticeship and he left the company as a journeyman

It is not the reason companies invest in an apprentice though either

Demko has played better at 25 than Marky did so i think the right choice was made as Demko is younger

Now the Canucks have to address  the shots they put on their goalies and not rely on them solely for wins

[smokes]

I think this speaks to the intangibles that Markstrom and Tanev offered

[linden17]

I will say this but obviously can’t confirm if it’s true or not but the Canucks players look like a team that is not playing for their coaches anymore.

[Devron]

Yup the idea is to try and win the cup once you’re in the playoffs lol

[koregen]

To follow up on my post,

 

It's worth consideration that Travis Green has bosses he has to answer to as well. It is a real possibility that the issues we are seeing are higher up in the food chain.

[GB5]

23 hours ago, koregen said:

The Canucks took Vegas to game 7, but at what cost? it turns out, a very heavy one.

 

Imagine being a pro high compete athlete that is very talented and you finally get to compete in the playoffs only to have your coach chain you to a post and play positional defense. This is exactly what our head coach Travis Green did to our team in the Vegas series. The odds were that the team was going to loose the series anyway, but to attach a ball and chain to the players like a bunch of slaves was a costly mistake.

 

 

Welcome to playoff hockey, this happens on every team, all the time in the playoffs.

[koregen]

2 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said:

Welcome to playoff hockey, this happens on every team, all the time in the playoffs.

Absolutely, too many puppeteers overly controlling.