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11 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

If this is the real issue, they should say so. Why not? Expose the thoughtlessness of the NHL in regards to scheduling teams and overworking some while giving others an easier schedule. 

We get the easier schedule moving forward. Theoretically this should even out. I'm not exactly confident though.

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2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

He did bring in Schmidt and Hamonic, and Juolevi was finally ready. Plus, all this promising talk about Rafferty.

 

Edler, Myers and Hughes are all good D, but the entire D corp has been awful this year. 

 

On paper, this was supposed to work well:

 

Edler - Myers

Hughes - Schmidt

Juolevi - Hamonic

Benn

Rafferty

Chatfield

 

They shouldn't be this bad. 

Myers is a 5-6 D man on a any average team in the NHL.  HIs contract is a joke...  almost as bad as LE's 

 

Harmonic is basically no longer NHL calibre D Man.....  another terrible signing...

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7 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

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Got a little work to do yet.

 

No, well just be fine to pick in the top 10, even better in the top 5 in the next NHL entry draft. Let's throw in some young players like Rathbone and Juolevi and call this season a season of player development (Hoglander, Demko, Rathbone, Juolevi, Chatfield need NHL games to develop) .

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3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

He did bring in Schmidt and Hamonic, and Juolevi was finally ready. Plus, all this promising talk about Rafferty.

 

Edler, Myers and Hughes are all good D, but the entire D corp has been awful this year. 

 

On paper, this was supposed to work well:

 

Edler - Myers

Hughes - Schmidt

Juolevi - Hamonic

Benn

Rafferty

Chatfield

 

They shouldn't be this bad. 

The roster is definitely capable. Schmidt looked pretty good on the top pairing in Vegas. I think they are a pretty good team. Something else going on here 

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If TG ices the vets again it's going to be the kiss of death.  Slow, can't execute, no real puck pressure.  This team desperately needs all of its best skaters on the ice if they want to create any momentum

 

 

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4 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

I for one thought we had an improved d core. 

Now ppl are saying Markstrom bailed them out (which is probably true) but id like to see stats of high danger scoring chances faced which back this up. 

There is no way this team is bottom 3 in the league and not only that but losing in lopsided affairs with consistency 

Exactly.

 

Look at the D core Willie had when we were a bottom 3 team and you can see why were so bad.

 

Comparing that to this current D core is night and day. If this coaching staff can’t get better results with this group then it’s on them. Maybe a case of players not buying in anymore.

 

At the very least I wanna see Baumer and Brown replaced if this trend continues. Then there will be no doubt.

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3 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

No, well just be fine to pick in the top 10, even better in the top 5 in the next NHL entry draft. Let's throw in some young players like Rathbone and Juolevi and call this season a season of player development

I wonder if this is what the dressing room sounds like right now. I get what your saying but damn it why are we throwing in the towel. Beating on the flames and Oilers can definitely change the outcome this year. These are all 4 point games 

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5 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

No, well just be fine to pick in the top 10, even better in the top 5 in the next NHL entry draft. Let's throw in some young players like Rathbone and Juolevi and call this season a season of player development (Hoglander, Demko, Rathbone, Juolevi, Chatfield need NHL games to develop) .

Questions though do the draft position matter this year as much as the previous years? I would imagine scouting is much harder with the covid situation so the draft rankings could feel more like a crap shoot. So a 3rd overall could feel like a 15th and vise versa

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Just now, iinatcc said:

Questions though do the draft position matter this year as much as the previous years? I would imagine scouting is much harder with the covid situation so the draft rankings could feel more like a crap shoot 

Power is looking like he deserves to be number 1. Big mobile defender that is already putting up points in the NCAA.

 

Beyond that I think there will definitely be good players available throughout the first round.

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I said this last season, recently in a few GDT's as well, and Bieksa said it last night:

this team has no identity.

 

The entire league's skilled enough to defeat Green/Baumgartner's rinkydink team D-zone system, and this is from where the problem's metastasized now to a full blown crisis. The product we see on the ice is a lowest common denominator type system which was devised to succeed in an 82 game regular season, where you play a different team every game, and slink into the playoffs, only to theoretically find another gear. Rope a Dope regular season finally caught up to us with Vegas who quite literally skated circles around us in the D zone. Remember those 2-3mins nightmare shifts against? Well, the entire league's now figured out how to beat this crappy system, and the coaching staff is either too stubborn, egotist, or dumb (not likely this) to change.

 

If this team does indeed have an identity, it's PUSHOVER.

 

How do you change this?  Go get the puck, and punish the other team for touching it.

 

Another thing which grinds my gears, is in his 7th season Green and his bloody staff have STILL NOT ingrained a breakout system, other than TURN AND GO! There's rarely puck support, and when the last man gets swarmed by two forwards 4 of our guys are streaking up ice! Not only this, it seems like 80% or more of our breakouts entail 100 foot cross ice desperation passes. PICK A BLOODY WING and march the puck up ice! It worked for Scotty Bowman, why can't it work for the Incredible Sulk?

 

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5 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

No, well just be fine to pick in the top 10, even better in the top 5 in the next NHL entry draft. Let's throw in some young players like Rathbone and Juolevi and call this season a season of player development (Hoglander, Demko, Rathbone, Juolevi, Chatfield need NHL games to develop) .

The way I see it I'll give them the rest of the month at home to figure it out. If we get back into it we can chalk it up to schedule, off-season shuffling, bad luck, Tofolli, etc. If we continue to suck though I'll still call it a win if we can get a top ten pick, move guys at the deadline like Sutter, Virtanen, Gaudette, Pearson, Edler, Benn, etc., as well as trade for a good young dman who'll otherwise be exposed at the entry draft. Yeah I would call that a win at this point.

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1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Did losing Marky, Tanev , TF,  and Stecher really cause some kind of rift between managment and players...

No. Green's blue collar crap's finally caught up to him.

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20 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

We get the easier schedule moving forward. Theoretically this should even out. I'm not exactly confident though.

Ironically every team we play says that 

 

we suck, no “easy” games 

 

we literally will be underdogs in every game other than when we play Ottawa 

 

thanks Green 

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3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Did losing Marky, Tanev , TF,  and Stecher really cause some kind of rift between managment and players...

I mean to just quit playing hard because of that wouldn’t be very professional.

 

Teams go through turnover all the time. Especially teams trying to build toward contention. 
 

If that is the case we should be looking to move those players. That’s a poor mentality and not really one you want to build a team around.

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5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Did losing Marky, Tanev , TF,  and Stecher really cause some kind of rift between managment and players...

For sure a factor, don’t forget stecher who was a beloved teammate . The team Has lost confidence for sure in management and their incompetence.

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16 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

If TG ices the vets again it's going to be the kiss of death.  Slow, can't execute, no real puck pressure.  This team desperately needs all of its best skaters on the ice if they want to create any momentum

 

 

I think it’s more then just icing certain players. They aren’t playing like a group. Doesn’t matter who’s on the ice. 

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16 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

If TG ices the vets again it's going to be the kiss of death.  Slow, can't execute, no real puck pressure.  This team desperately needs all of its best skaters on the ice if they want to create any momentum

 

 

If he looks hard enough he may find another 30 plus year old to play 

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