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21 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Re: Canadian teams, it’s been going on 30 years since Montreal won and we’ve only seen a Canadian team in the finals... five times?   Canada should have that many or more cups based on straight odds since we make up more than 20% of the league. Toronto can’t even get out of the first round. 
 

That’s the point and even then, TO and MTL get a lot more positive national coverage than we do. 

I actually understand where the media guys are coming from - their jobs are being cut left right and centre and they get about ten times as many clicks on a negative piece than a positive one.  Gotta put food on the table.  They get so defensive about being negative that you know it’s intentional though.  If that was my job I’d do it too.

 

“Knowledgeable” doesn’t mean hyper critical, negative and entitled which is the issue I have with the outspoken media / fans in BC. Too worried about holding the team “accountable” (lol) when record and revenue already do a much better job of that. 
 

Meanwhile, creating a positive atmosphere (supported by sports psychology) is where fans actually have some real influence and instead it swings in the opposite direction to stick it to management or whatever. It always involves choosing a player or two to crap all over which in the hockey world of guaranteed contracts is super useful. Meanwhile, the Owner doesn’t give a wet fart as long as people are showing up to games.  
 

It’s a shame (that/if) this young core is getting caught up in that because it’s a promising group. It kind of makes sense though - fans in arena cheer a win regardless - but without that the only interaction they’re getting is the wet blanket brigade revelling in the team’s struggles on Twitter.  
 

Again, I’m not targeting CDC here which generally trends positive and posters are fans, not wannabe podcasters stroking their egos. Nor am I saying the team doesn’t deserve criticism given their embarrassing start to the season.  Just the overall habits of media / social media fans that surround this hockey team.   It’s hard to measure how much of an impact it has but it certainly isn’t positive.

I think online fan discussions have little to no affect on the team.  The press on the other hand obviously get under the skin of players and coaches on a regular basis but Vancouver isn't unique there.  Just watch Torts these days or Giroux totally wreck a reporter in Philly. 

 

I think where fans can directly affect the players most is in the rink, both positively and negatively.  Players can feed.off the crowd's energy or be disillusioned by Lack of support. 

 

All that said- and because there are enough fans in the rinks this year - whatever is ailing this group, I don't see it being laid at the feet of the fans.  It is internal between players and/or management.  

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6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Don’t agree.

 

Poor special teams and below average goaltending was the problem early on.

 

Im not seeing the same hustle as early on.

Goaltending needs to be better but cmon, how many 2 on1s and breakaways were other teams given? Goaltending is still the least of our problems. Carey price would still let in a ton of goals with this defence. 

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3 minutes ago, Canucksince99 said:

I actually find this funny. Realistically it’s just our defence that is lacking. We struggle moving the puck out of our own end a lot. Forwards just blow the zone, defence makes terrible passes, ends up in our net. If they can go back to playing it simple and move up as a unit I think that’ll solve part of the problem 

Couldn't agree more.  If they do move it up as unit it could give other teams troubles as the Canucks have some defensemen that would cause headaches using this strategy (Hughes, Schmidt, Myers come to mind.  Perhaps even Juolevi)

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3 hours ago, bree2 said:

i don't get how some of you think Mysers is the worst, check out his plus/minus

 

2 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Yeah he’s just the whipping boy because of his contact.  He does make some visible errors but he’s also being asked to be the high minute man on a team in disarray.  Reminds me of how everyone played “spot the mistake” with Edler a few years ago.

For some reason, maybe hard wired into us, big things are expected of big people.

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1 minute ago, gurn said:

 

For some reason, maybe hard wired into us, big things are expected of big people.

Myers has played great hockey few times this season, but the whole team has done that lol. Everyone is playing bad collectively you can’t even really call out one or two guys at this point. The only people who show up fairly consistently are motte and hogz. If it was my choice I’d have juolevi in because he played great during his time in. Chatfield would slide out or maybe even give edler a little break. The one thing I do not like about Myers is that he plays like he’s a midget most of the time even though he towers over everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

How many people on here want Benning to make trades if he is on his way out? He doesn’t have a good history of making trades under pressure and he’s terrible at negotiating. So do we really want him to make trades knowing he likes to throw draft picks at teams like he’s Willy Wonka at the chocolate factory giving away free candy. I don’t have any trust in his judgement or lack there of right now. Does anyone else?

I'm not sure your judgement can 'judge' wadr.

 

Kesler deal was excellent, particularly under the circumstances.

Miller trade was outstanding.

Schmidt was a helluvan opportune deal for a longshot pick.

Pearson = not a bad placeholder at all / good hockey trade.

Motte was a resounding victory of a deal.

Leivo was a steal.

The Shinkaruk trade thread was epic - but Benning got the better player.

People can whine about deals like Baertschi - but no one could foretell concussions.

Make your counter list - pick your whipping points - Sutter, Vey, Gud - whatever.

There are lots of decisions I don't agree with - that is true with every single administration.

 

If you want the good - you have to take the bad with it - because there is risk in every move - and every single GM in the NHL has wins and losses.

 

I am not concerned about 'making trades'.   I'd be happy to see some players moved - I'd be shopping Roussel and Benn - would unconditionally waive Eriksson, would proabably be looking for a hockey trade for (a better fit than/for Gaudette).   I'd also be testing the market for Pearson.  People would love to throw the 'foundation' centers in that mix - I would not - not at this point, and certainly not without replacing them.

 

My greater concern would actually be if they fired Benning.

Who would hire the next GM?

Linden hired a lot of good people in my opinion.  A hockey person hiring hockey people.

Prior to Linden - came the bizarre - and wildly failed - Tortorella experiment.

People love to assume that change will necessarily result in something better/ improved.   That aint necessarily the case - it could just as possibly end up in making worse decisions than the present group.   Simply firing someone - is not a 'plan'.

 

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8 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I think online fan discussions have little to no affect on the team.  The press on the other hand obviously get under the skin of players and coaches on a regular basis but Vancouver isn't unique there.  Just watch Torts these days or Giroux totally wreck a reporter in Philly. 

 

I think where fans can directly affect the players most is in the rink, both positively and negatively.  Players can feed.off the crowd's energy or be disillusioned by Lack of support. 

 

All that said- and because there are enough fans in the rinks this year - whatever is ailing this group, I don't see it being laid at the feet of the fans.  It is internal between players and/or management.  

Yeah - and I’m on a tangent of my own, I think the group’s issues this year are certainly deeper than fans chatter. I think it’s a lot of things bubbling up all at once. 
 

I think this group really misses playing in front of fans too. I’d assume a good home win would be a nice palate cleanser.  Sure would beat media zoom calls. 

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6 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I'm not sure your judgement can 'judge' wadr.

 

Kesler deal was excellent, particularly under the circumstances.

Miller trade was outstanding.

Schmidt was a helluvan opportune deal for a longshot pick.

Pearson = not a bad placeholder at all / good hockey trade.

Motte was a resounding victory of a deal.

Leivo was a steal.

The Shinkaruk trade thread was epic - but Benning got the better player.

People can whine about deals like Baertschi - but no one could foretell concussions.

Make your counter list - pick your whipping points - Sutter, Vey, Gud - whatever.

There are lots of decisions I don't agree with - that is true with every single administration.

 

If you want the good - you have to take the bad with it - because there is risk in every move - and every single GM in the NHL has wins and losses.

 

I am not concerned about 'making trades'.   I'd be happy to see some players moved - I'd be shopping Roussel and Benn - would unconditionally waive Eriksson, would proabably be looking for a hockey trade for (a better fit than/for Gaudette).   I'd also be testing the market for Pearson.  People would love to throw the 'foundation' centers in that mix - I would not - not at this point, and certainly not without replacing them.

 

My greater concern would actually be if they fired Benning.

Who would hire the next GM?

Linden hired a lot of good people in my opinion.  A hockey person hiring hockey people.

Prior to Linden - came the bizarre - and wildly failed - Tortorella experiment.

People love to assume that change will necessarily result in something better/ improved.   That aint necessarily the case - it could just as possibly end up in making worse decisions than the present group.   Simply firing someone - is not a 'plan'.

 

Fine. Fire the owner then.

 

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17 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Canucks are worst in the league in GA

... but first int eh league in GF

 

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and lead the league in games played with 15....only 3 other teams have played 13....there are a half dozen that haven't played 10 yet....

 

The gaa is sky high regardless - but there's no mystery there.

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5 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I'm not sure your judgement can 'judge' wadr.

 

Kesler deal was excellent, particularly under the circumstances.

Miller trade was outstanding.

Schmidt was a helluvan opportune deal for a longshot pick.

Pearson = not a bad placeholder at all / good hockey trade.

Motte was a resounding victory of a deal.

Leivo was a steal.

The Shinkaruk trade thread was epic - but Benning got the better player.

People can whine about deals like Baertschi - but no one could foretell concussions.

Make your counter list - pick your whipping points - Sutter, Vey, Gud - whatever.

There are lots of decisions I don't agree with - that is true with every single administration.

 

If you want the good - you have to take the bad with it - because there is risk in every move - and every single GM in the NHL has wins and losses.

 

I am not concerned about 'making trades'.   I'd be happy to see some players moved - I'd be shopping Roussel and Benn - would unconditionally waive Eriksson, would proabably be looking for a hockey trade for (a better fit than/for Gaudette).   I'd also be testing the market for Pearson.  People would love to throw the 'foundation' centers in that mix - I would not - not at this point, and certainly not without replacing them.

 

My greater concern would actually be if they fired Benning.

Who would hire the next GM?

Linden hired a lot of good people in my opinion.  A hockey person hiring hockey people.

Prior to Linden - came the bizarre - and wildly failed - Tortorella experiment.

People love to assume that change will necessarily result in something better/ improved.   That aint necessarily the case - it could just as possibly end up in making worse decisions than the present group.   Simply firing someone - is not a 'plan'.

 

Do you want him making trades if he knows his days are numbered? Desperation trades are the worst.

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8 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

How about we fire the owner?

 

Fire the owner (which can't happen) and hire Linden as the GM.  Linden was right when he wanted a rebuild and not a retool and this appeared to cause friction with the GM and owner. 

 

The retool was a failure and delayed our movement towards being a cup contender.  I would like to see a new owner but I doubt this will happen.  Retooling has cost us draft picks and added bad contracts.  It's still not to late to rebuild because our best players are under 25.

 

I would love to see the owner admit his mistakes (eat some humble pie) and hire Linden again; but I doubt our owner has the humility to do that.

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37 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

They have been in the same location for four days and the same time zone for a couple of weeks now. They have also had breaks in between those games. Fatigue cannot be an excuse and it is still early in the season. Yes they have played more games but it’s not like they have had to travel like they would have in years past. I don’t buy the fatigue factor. I would if they had been travelling beforehand like crazy. If they are tired now we are in big trouble for the rest of the year.

I don't think you've really looked at the schedule because "years past" has NEVER been for this duration without a substantial break.  We are the ONLY team in this division that's only had one day off in between games to date (and, again, many of those spent traveling).  So even though we're in the same place...you have to factor in how we got there.  TO was on 4 days off and at home before they met us...

You clearly are not aware of what our schedule really does look like in comparison to others.  That's become evident.

 

Like DeNiro...not saying it's THE reason for our poor play...but it certainly isn't helping.  

 

Fatigue is legitimate and your refusal to acknowledge it is a head in the sand deal.    It's not about playing more games...it's how they're spaced apart.  I've examined it and you probably should too.  It's something, it's not "nothing".

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1 minute ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Do you want him making trades if he knows his days are numbered? Desperation trades are the worst.

I don't find it a "good' question tbh.

 

The irony is that Toffoli was considered a 'desperation' trade by many.   And now, ironically, he's an idiot because ('things changed' and) he didn't/couldn't re-sign him.   Otherwise 'genius'.  Or de 'we' have a serious collective borderline personality disorder?

 

Obviously - it depends what the trade is - always does.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Even teams like Ottawa play hard and they know they’re not winning a cup.

 

Not playing hard almost guarantees the moves management made will result in a poor season. I don’t buy this argument.

 

Also that means they just don’t care about Demko? They’re gonna hang him out to dry because they miss Markstrom?

 

I think people are reading too much into it. Players lose friends on the team all the time. Doesn’t mean you jus quit on the rest of your teammates. Never win a championship with that mentality.

Professional athletes aren't ok with not playing hard and getting blown out. They wouldn't have made it the NHL if they were ok with that. 

The issue is with the team being out of sync and being mixed up in their assignments. 

Most of the problem is between the ears. 

If they were losing by 1 or 2 goals, sure we can chalk it up to not having the horses while playing in a tough decision. What we've seen for the past 4 games isn't that

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16 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I'm not sure your judgement can 'judge' wadr.

 

Kesler deal was excellent, particularly under the circumstances.

Miller trade was outstanding.

Schmidt was a helluvan opportune deal for a longshot pick.

Pearson = not a bad placeholder at all / good hockey trade.

Motte was a resounding victory of a deal.

Leivo was a steal.

The Shinkaruk trade thread was epic - but Benning got the better player.

People can whine about deals like Baertschi - but no one could foretell concussions.

Make your counter list - pick your whipping points - Sutter, Vey, Gud - whatever.

There are lots of decisions I don't agree with - that is true with every single administration.

 

If you want the good - you have to take the bad with it - because there is risk in every move - and every single GM in the NHL has wins and losses.

 

I am not concerned about 'making trades'.   I'd be happy to see some players moved - I'd be shopping Roussel and Benn - would unconditionally waive Eriksson, would proabably be looking for a hockey trade for (a better fit than/for Gaudette).   I'd also be testing the market for Pearson.  People would love to throw the 'foundation' centers in that mix - I would not - not at this point, and certainly not without replacing them.

 

My greater concern would actually be if they fired Benning.

Who would hire the next GM?

Linden hired a lot of good people in my opinion.  A hockey person hiring hockey people.

Prior to Linden - came the bizarre - and wildly failed - Tortorella experiment.

People love to assume that change will necessarily result in something better/ improved.   That aint necessarily the case - it could just as possibly end up in making worse decisions than the present group.   Simply firing someone - is not a 'plan'.

 

FIRE BENNING 

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7 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I don't find it a "good' question tbh.

 

The irony is that Toffoli was considered a 'desperation' trade by many.   And now, ironically, he's an idiot because ('things changed' and) he didn't/couldn't re-sign him.   Otherwise 'genius'.  Or de 'we' have a serious collective borderline personality disorder?

 

Obviously - it depends what the trade is - always does.

 

 

I think most ppl were happy with the Toffoli trade. They question was whether he would get re-signed. 

 

Canucks were on a playoff push and losing ground with Boeser out. The move was to make the playoffs (which they did). Ppl wanted him re-signed. Problem was, the cap problems from years past reared its ugly head. 

It goes both ways. We got Miller when Tampa was in a cap crunch we got Schmidt when Vegas was in a cap crunch. Mtl got Toffoli because we were in a cap crunch. 

It sucks that guys like baerstchi, Erikson, Sutter, Rousel, Beagle, Ferland, Luongo were the reason we couldn't sign him

 

But to also call for bennings head now seems a little late. This wasted cap  has been there for years and a lot of us saw this coming. For me though, his moves the past few seasons have been great. Most of these issues were from many years ago which was forgiven by his last 3-4 years

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2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I don't find it a "good' question tbh.

 

The irony is that Toffoli was considered a 'desperation' trade by many.   And now, ironically, he's an idiot because ('things changed' and) he didn't/couldn't re-sign him.   Otherwise 'genius'.  Or de 'we' have a serious collective borderline personality disorder?

 

Obviously - it depends what the trade is - always does.

 

 

Calgary might regret signing Tanev and Markstrom for 4 years. Short term wise they are bringing what they were advertised. Toffoli as long as he doesn't slow down, 4 years and $4.25 million? Hmm. I'd say it was a fair contract. If no one wanted to offer anything for Jake and Gaudette I'd understand. As much as I like him as a character I'm saying short so far Schmidt is...well meh is being kind. (Then again the whole team sucks right now) I don't think he's the right fit for this team. Might be way to early to write him off.

But then again Eriksson never looked like he fit in Vancouver either from the get go. 

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