[Proposal] From Sabres Reporter/Blogger

[Provost]

This came from a Sabres online beat reporter.

Virtanen
Holtby

 

For 
Miller

Hutton

I probably take the basis of that deal as long as I could sign Hutton to a cheap 1 year extension so he can be exposed in to fulfil expansion requirements.  Maybe they need to throw in a pick because that deal helps them more than us as  they need a 2nd goalie pretty badly and Holtby is a big upgrade as well as filling the required expansion eligibility requirement that we would then have to go out and find.  They will be losing at least one of their D anyways in expansion so why not use one of the spare guys as a trade chip to fill a hole.

Of course it would be a lot nicer to get Risto from them as we really need a more defensive guy, but that ship seems to have sailed and would cost us too much.  I would maybe say that they would need to add Borgen who is a spare part for them but would be way up our depth chart prospect wise.

So my Proposal would be the same as above but with Borgen added.
It saves us a little cap space for next year when we will definitely need it, and gives us a solid physical D prospect in exchange for us downgrading in goal and moving on from Virtanen.  Maybe try to get them to eat a bit of Miller's salary if possible as he is overpaid for what would be a 3rd pairing D.
An alternative is that we get Eakin to fill our 3C slot, which would represent a massive upgrade for us in that position and helps us defensively.  Another position of strength for them with Cozens and Mittelstadt ready for prime time.  Girgensons is another attractive player from them that would revitalize our bottom 6... but he seems like someone they would want to keep for a playoff run.

Virtanen
Holtby

for
Borgen
Eakin
Miller

On their end, they badly need to make the playoffs this year for some positive energy and trading away a future where they already have a lot of strength in that position isn't too big of an ask.



 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Provost

[Gurn]

If trading for carter Hutton, make sure they sign Ben Hutton as a f.a. this off season.

Then add one more player with a good name and at least we can advertise like a law firm

 

"Hutton, Hutton and.........   serving all your legal needs."

[nuckin_futz]

10 minutes ago, gurn said:

If trading for carter Hutton, make sure they sign Ben Hutton as a f.a. this off season.

Then add one more player with a good name and at least we can advertise like a law firm

 

"Hutton, Hutton and.........   serving all your legal needs."

And none of your defensive needs.

[ImConfused]

So, everyone hyped for the Canucks to take on Toronto again, take down the win, and get the club's momentum rolling in the right direction?

 

I know I am!

[Fanuck]

I don't know, I see the tortoises vetoing this right off the bat.  

They've been through a lot already.....

 

[The Lock]

Why Miller? Is he really going to be enough to help out the defense along with accounting for the downgrade from Holtby to Hutton?

 

I guess I just don't know see where this team improves with this.

Edited February 7, 2021 by The Lock

[Where's Wellwood]

8 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Why Miller? Is he really going to be enough to help out the defense along with accounting for the downgrade from Holtby to Hutton?

 

I guess I just don't know see where this team improves with this.

We save cap from going from Holtby to Hutton. And since our numbers are bad anyway, we might as well pay less for the goaltending.

 

Miller is more expensive than Virtanen, and I'd rather get a younger, better D-man if we're going to try and take advantage of a team with not enough protection spots on D.

 

Overall, I agree the team isn't made that much better with this and trading Holtby so early in his contract is a bad look after we've left him to dry

[Provost]

36 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Why Miller? Is he really going to be enough to help out the defense along with accounting for the downgrade from Holtby to Hutton?

 

I guess I just don't know see where this team improves with this.

Well I added in Borgen to either of my proposals.  He is a better prospect than any of our current D and plays a physical defensive style.

Miller isn’t ideally who we need, but is an upgrade on Virtanen.  Hutton is cheaper and expires after this season which is a help going forward.

 

Miller is possibly tradable for a return after expansion when some teams have lost D to Seattle and need a #4z. We have extra expansion slots to protect him if we wanted, and Buffalo doesn’t.

 

The Holtby throwing his team mates under the bus death stare was overblown... but he is probably legitimately pissed that the team he joined is nothing like the team he saw in the bubble.  

 

This isn’t a home run move.. it is hitting a single and trying to load up an extra player on base.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Provost

[oldnews]

4 hours ago, gurn said:

If trading for carter Hutton, make sure they sign Ben Hutton as a f.a. this off season.

Then add one more player with a good name and at least we can advertise like a law firm

 

"Hutton, Hutton and.........   serving all your legal needs."

4 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

And none of your defensive needs.

if you're looking for someone that provides no defense, stick with the proposal in the OP.

 

Colin Miller.

 

Make it "Miller and Miller" (no offense to JT intended here - just a namesake).

 

....specialize in 'offensive law'....litigators...focus on lawsuits/suing people.

 

and no offense where Colin Miller is concerned - meaning, he provides no offense either.

Perfect acquisition if we want another 4 millionish of wasted cap space around.

 

(hard pass on the Virtanen, Miller aspect of that deal, btw).

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by oldnews

[oldnews]

Colin Miller

 

3 pts, (2 of them on the powerplay), -7, 10 games.

51.6% ozone starts

1.2 on ice goals for per 60

3.9 against (-2.7)

.863 on ice sv%

 

Last season

11 pts, 8 at evs, -9, 51 games.

50.1% ozone starts.

 

Not exactly an 'offensive' D that teams will be lining up to take (with that 3.85 million x 2 years contract) off your hands...

Hard pass.

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by oldnews

[lmm]

why is a Sabres blogger suggesting we make a trade with Anahiem?

[VancouverHabitant]

8 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

And none of your defensive needs.

Bam! 

[WestCoastDave]

The problem with this proposal is the Nucks would be giving up too many playing years.  Hutton is like around 4 years older than Holtby and similarly Miller is around 4 years older than Virtanen.   I'll pass... unless the Sabres are willing to throw in a draft pick like a 1st rounder.  lol

[Provost]

On 2/8/2021 at 7:42 PM, WestCoastDave said:

The problem with this proposal is the Nucks would be giving up too many playing years.  Hutton is like around 4 years older than Holtby and similarly Miller is around 4 years older than Virtanen.   I'll pass... unless the Sabres are willing to throw in a draft pick like a 1st rounder.  lol

There is something to that... but I look at it more as years of club control/obligation vs. age specifically.

We have Holtby for just two years, and Hutton for just the 1 year in that trade scenario.  Either one is replaceable as a back up goalie.  The downside to Miller is actually being stuck with the 2nd year.  He is overpaid for what he brings and in this market could be replaced for less.  In the end, a 3rd pairing D is worth more than a 3rd line (at best) winger in Virtanen.  Miller would be an upgrade on half our D right now, and that is worth more to us in the short term than a winger who is in the press box half the time.

The proposal was actually to include Borgen which gives you a club controlled player for a long time and would immediately be one of our top D prospects and the only one aside from Rathbone with a legitimate shot at being a top 4 guy.