oldnews Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I disagree, DeBrusk is above 0.5 PPG over his career. The majority of his career he's produced over 40 points, and don't forget last season was shutdown prematurely. He still had 17 games left to get 5 points. I say its likely he would've hit 40 pts again last year w/o the stoppage. And even if he is a 35-40 point player, that's still a better contribution than we've been getting from Virtanen. ? 36 pts from Virtanen (and neither of them have produced in small samples this season) so I'm not sure what your argument here is - particularly when you compare the contexts of their production. You can argue very reasonably that he's more likely to get 40 pts given three years of playing with Krejci down tilted ice, assuming that continues - but the basis of believing he's a better gamble is to assume Virtanen regresses, or that last year was an outlier (which I would not assume). Regardless, I don't look at DeBrusk's outcomes to date and consider him a player I'd expect to uptick - so given the other elements of his game, he would not be a player I would target. I'd much rather pursue a player like Boone Jenner, a young guy like Nick Paul who's likely to uptick - guys that are more versatile, that 'bust' as good bottom 6 players, that play a heavy game - I think this group needs more of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, oldnews said: and evidently would rather see Messier in a Canucks jersey. or Eriksson. or a floating Mats Sundin at 10 million. sorry but I think you were seriously embellishing there. Mats may not have been worth the 10m but he was still decently productive age and other factors considered. Basically groomed Kesler too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Mats may not have been worth the 10m but he was still decently productive age and other factors considered. Basically groomed Kesler too. this is a favorite story of mine. how did Mats Sundin - who was never a Kesler type player, 'groom' him in half a season, no less? wadr - AV 'groomed' Kesler - and Burrows - and Hansen. Edited February 9, 2021 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Whatever the deal, salary leaving vs salary coming back has to match , Canucks can’t afford another million and change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: this is a favorite story of mine. how did Mats Sundin - who was never a Kesler type player, 'groom' him in half a season, no less? wadr - AV 'groomed' Kesler - and Burrows - and Hansen. By putting his ego in check and forcing him to play the wing instead of being the star second line centre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, oldnews said: ? 36 pts from Virtanen (and neither of them have produced in small samples this season) so I'm not sure what your argument here is - particularly when you compare the contexts of their production. You can argue very reasonably that he's more likely to get 40 pts given three years of playing with Krejci down tilted ice, assuming that continues - but the basis of believing he's a better gamble is to assume Virtanen regresses, or that last year was an outlier (which I would not assume). Regardless, I don't look at DeBrusk's outcomes to date and consider him a player I'd expect to uptick - so given the other elements of his game, he would not be a player I would target. I'd much rather pursue a player like Boone Jenner, a young guy like Nick Paul who's likely to uptick - guys that are more versatile, that 'bust' as good bottom 6 players, that play a heavy game - I think this group needs more of that. If we got Boone Jenner for Virtanen I would be very very happy. Would fit in as the 3rd C right away and for next year. Only way I could see them trading is to trade cap. Seems like a bit of a Torts playing as he's playing him a lot. Doubtful we'd be able to get Paul as much as I would like to. He's playing very well with the Sens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Here is the thing....if you think our trash for your trash is going to turn this team around, you are sadly mistaken Virtanen + a pick or Virtanen and a prospect gets you something a little better than Jake Problem is everyone knows Jake has been benched for more than a few games.........................why would they over pay? As someone said earlier, if you were going to trade Jake, we should have traded him earlier........... Jimbo has a real problem doing that..............he never likes trading good for good............ always trying to one up the other GM, instead of just making a good hockey trade Jake was a 18 and 18 man last year, good stats for a lower 1st line player..........this year not so much Why trade your depth for the sake of making a trade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Zhukini said: By putting his ego in check and forcing him to play the wing instead of being the star second line centre? Kesler talked about the impact mats had on him. It's not nothing it was a big acquisition for his development of becoming an every day professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If we got Boone Jenner for Virtanen I would be very very happy. Would fit in as the 3rd C right away and for next year. Only way I could see them trading is to trade cap. Seems like a bit of a Torts playing as he's playing him a lot. Doubtful we'd be able to get Paul as much as I would like to. He's playing very well with the Sens. I'm not proposing Virtanen for Jenner. Or Paul for that matter. I would also not be looking to get whatever I can - I'd be focusing on what I want/need, foremost, not taking a default deal on Virtanen.. Edited February 9, 2021 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Watch Virtanen go to Boston and flourish and watch Debrusk come here and.....what's the opposite of flourish? Flail? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden17 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, grandmaster said: Just heard Don and Moj on 1040 mention there are reports from Boston that a trade may be in the works of JV for a Jake Debrusk If that’s true you take that trade ten out of ten times. That could turn into a huge steal for us 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, linden17 said: If that’s true you take that trade ten out of ten times. That could turn into a huge steal for us How does the cap space work out though? We would need to add. Virtanen + Benn + 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 If we could flip Debrusk for Dunn that would also be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Yeah, I don't see the value in trading a struggling winger for someone else's struggling winger. if anything, Vince Dunn makes more sense.... Or Vince Gill... he can write some sad tear jerker songs for the bandwagon fans! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 If this is the end for Virtanen here in Vancouver its for the best. It is on Jake at this point. Canucks have been patient for 6 years you don't have 10 years to put it together in the NHL. Hope they get a draft pick or young player back. All I know if I was 6'1 220 and played for my hometown team I grew up idolizing I would have done a lot more in the hitting, fighting and going to the net department. Especially if my O game didn't translate, Virtanen seemed to accept losing and pack in it mentality most nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Trade him for literally anything please. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said: If we could flip Debrusk for Dunn that would also be fine. Hughes Myers Schmidt Hamonic Edler Chatfield OJ Rafferty Benn Woo Rathbone Brisebois Yes! To fix the issue of having defensemen who cant play defense is to add more offense minded defensemen who suck at defending at checking! Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Dunn hamonic OJ Benn Or trade for a Dman that actually plays D with some snarl instead of another offensive smaller well skating poor defending dman? Josh Manson Hughes Manson Schmidt Myers Edler Hamonic OJ Benn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 hopefully Don Sweeney didn't watch this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I'm done with Virtanen, he has been on this team for a while and he hasn't shown any consistent improvement. It would not be good for him or the team to keep him around, it would just be a continuing cycle of failure. I think it's time for us to move on from him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Hughes Myers Schmidt Hamonic Edler Chatfield OJ Rafferty Benn Woo Rathbone Brisebois Yes! To fix the issue of having defensemen who cant play defense is to add more offense minded defensemen who suck at defending at checking! Hughes Myers Edler Schmidt Dunn hamonic OJ Benn Or trade for a Dman that actually plays D with some snarl instead of another offensive smaller well skating poor defending dman? Josh Manson Hughes Manson Schmidt Myers Edler Hamonic OJ Benn Manson would be a dream but I don’t see him going anywhere. Same with Lindholm. All I know is we need defence more than offence with Podz in the wings. Thank god we didn’t trade our first for OEL like they wanted. Same with the playoff play ins where we sacrificed the 20th overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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