[proposal] Tanner Pearson for Sam Bennett + Jake Virtanen for Jake Debrusk

[Patel Bure]

[proposal] Tanner Pearson for Sam Bennett + Jake Virtanen for Jake Debrusk

 

I thought of a proposal that would accommodate Debrusk here:  2 Trades:

1) Virtanen for Debrusk
2) Pearson for Bennett

 

Calgary goes for Pearson because he’s the better player and Calgary is in “go for the cup now” mode while we go for Bennett since he is a younger long term asset that can play 3rd line center for us one day. 
 

NOW with Bennett here, the Canucks could reap the benefits of having someone like Debrusk here long term, as opposed to being pissed away on a 3rd line with sub par centers (Sutter, Beagle, or Gaudette).  And again - if not Debrusk, then it would have been another winger being pissed away on that 3rd line.

Long term lines (next season)

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser 
Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin
Debrusk-Bennett-MacEwen
Roussel-Beagle-Motte

 

Interim short term lines:

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Debrusk-Horvat-Hoglander
Bennett-Sutter-MacEwen
Roussel-Beagle-Motte
 

2022-2023
 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin
Debrusk-Bennett-####
Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen

 

End result - the Canucks finally have three good lines and a 3rd line that would be solid defensively while still being pretty decent offensively.  A 3rd line with Bennett and Debrusk would also be quite gritty and tenacious.

Edited February 9, 2021 by DarkIndianRises

[Patel Bure]

LaLa land:
 

I’m going into “Lala land” here, but I’m wondering if the team below would be a legit cup contender while also being cap compliant?
 

2022-2023:

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Debrusk-Bennett-Bailey
Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen

 

Lindholm-Schmidt 

Hughes-Myers

Juolevi-Tryamkin

 

Demko

[Dipietro or CheapVet]

 

-Petey and Hughes signed to bridge and/or 5 year deals.

-Holtby claimed in the ED

-Canucks sign Hampus Lindholm on July 1st 2022 or do a sign and trade deal for him with Anaheim before that time.  
-Canucks walk from Eriksson, Edler, Sutter, Baertschi, and Benn.  Spooner and Luongo = off the books.  

-Virtanen for Debrusk

-Pearson for Bennett

-Canucks walk from Beagle and Roussel on July 1st 2022.

Edited February 9, 2021 by DarkIndianRises

[Phil_314]

I like DeBrusk, he definitely has good wheels and can score, and it seems there's a good mix of snipes and tip-in's from recent highlights which shows he has a diverse arsenal.  That for a straight-skating not-so-powerful winger like Virtanen could be a good fit (he can probably keep up with Horvat), as long as he's also defensively sound (since the team likes to have that as the shutdown line so the Lotto Line can attack).  If Boston's down I'm probably sold too.

Rumors are that Calgary is looking at a similar young player and pick coming back for Bennett, but for this season (if it's a lost cause for us) I would be okay with Pearson going.  Bennett would help as the 3C (past couple of seasons he was above 50%) and he'd make the team tougher to play against.

 

[luckylager]

You're both forgetting about Lind.

 

By all accounts he's looking great at center so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started that grooming process because they don't see Gauds being that guy.

Lind is our future 3C. No need for Bennett.

 

Jake for Jake would be a no brainer though.

[MrCanuck94]

7 minutes ago, luckylager said:

You're both forgetting about Lind.

 

By all accounts he's looking great at center so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started that grooming process because they don't see Gauds being that guy.

Lind is our future 3C. No need for Bennett.

 

Jake for Jake would be a no brainer though.

He looks good but we can't just bank on his potential, if he fails to translate then we have a gaping hole while the team is trying to contend.

 

Best move would probably be to acquire a solid young 3C and and if Lind pushes his way onto the team, we have amazing depth. Petey/Bo/Bennett/Lind would be a solid C line. Also lets us trade from a position of strength moving forward if we need to get rid of one.

[Patel Bure]

10 minutes ago, luckylager said:

You're both forgetting about Lind.

 

By all accounts he's looking great at center so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started that grooming process because they don't see Gauds being that guy.

Lind is our future 3C. No need for Bennett.

 

Jake for Jake would be a no brainer though.

https://canucksarmy.com/2021/01/31/utica-comets-ryan-johnson-kole-lind-centre-dual-affiliation-st-louis/
 

That’s really interesting about Lind.  I had forgotten about him.

[luckylager]

Just now, MrCanuck94 said:

He looks good but we can't just bank on his potential, if he fails to translate then we have a gaping hole while the team is trying to contend.

 

Best move would probably be to acquire a solid young 3C and and if Lind pushes his way onto the team, we have amazing depth. Petey/Bo/Bennett/Lind would be a solid C line. Also lets us trade from a position of strength moving forward if we need to get rid of one.

You're forgetting about Gaudette and Beagle. So not such a gaping hole

[MrCanuck94]

1 minute ago, luckylager said:

You're forgetting about Gaudette and Beagle. So not such a gaping hole

If we're trying to make the next level, Gaudette won't cut it at 3C. He's not even playing C on a playoff bubble team.

[sockeye]

I wouldn't give up Pearson for Bennett based on Bennett's play this year.  I doubt Boston would give up their Jake for ours.  We need some size and, losing Jake would hurt unless we get some size back (only a young player to fit with our core young guys).

[Patel Bure]

8 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said:

If we're trying to make the next level, Gaudette won't cut it at 3C. He's not even playing C on a playoff bubble team.

I have a soft spot for Gaudette and so I'm hoping that he can hang around with us and then eventually become our 4th line center one day entering Motte and MacEwen.  

[Patel Bure]

8 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I wouldn't give up Pearson for Bennett based on Bennett's play this year.  I doubt Boston would give up their Jake for ours.  We need some size and, losing Jake would hurt unless we get some size back (only a young player to fit with our core young guys).

I'm not entirely sure why Bruins fans seem so eager to give us Debrusk for Virtanen (cap crunched?), but I'd definitely be down if they were.     

 

As far as Bennett goes, I just love the fact that he's solid defensively (unlike Gaudette) and actually knows how to utilize his wingers (unlike Sutter and Beagle).   Pearson might be better but Bennett is younger and could presumably be a part of our core for a much longer time period.    Having Debrusk and Bennett anchoring our 3rd line for a good number of years would be absolutely solid.   

[Elias Pettersson]

I'm sorry but there is no way on God's earth that Hockey Gaud is going to become our 4C.  He can't even make it as a 3C.  He is destined for the wing on another team...

[FaninMex]

2 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

I have a soft spot for Gaudette and so I'm hoping that he can hang around with us and then eventually become our 4th line center one day entering Motte and MacEwen.  

Gaudette is worse than Virtanen. He only knows how to play in the O-zone. He cannot play center for his life.

[filthycanuck]

3 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal] Tanner Pearson for Sam Bennett + Jake Virtanen for Jake Debrusk

 

I thought of a proposal that would accommodate Debrusk here:  2 Trades:

1) Virtanen for Debrusk
2) Pearson for Bennett

 

Calgary goes for Pearson because he’s the better player and Calgary is in “go for the cup now” mode while we go for Bennett since he is a younger long term asset that can play 3rd line center for us one day. 
 

NOW with Bennett here, the Canucks could reap the benefits of having someone like Debrusk here long term, as opposed to being pissed away on a 3rd line with sub par centers (Sutter, Beagle, or Gaudette).  And again - if not Debrusk, then it would have been another winger being pissed away on that 3rd line.

Long term lines (next season)

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser 
Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin
Debrusk-Bennett-MacEwen
Roussel-Beagle-Motte

 

Interim short term lines:

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser
Debrusk-Horvat-Hoglander
Bennett-Sutter-MacEwen
Roussel-Beagle-Motte
 

2022-2023
 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin
Debrusk-Bennett-####
Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen

 

End result - the Canucks finally have three good lines and a 3rd line that would be solid defensively while still being pretty decent offensively.  A 3rd line with Bennett and Debrusk would also be quite gritty and tenacious.

Virtanen for Debrusk will never happen. Debrusk is a ton better than Jake. He actually does something if hes not scoring, can't say the same about Nerfgun Jake

[Patel Bure]

7 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

Virtanen for Debrusk will never happen. Debrusk is a ton better than Jake. He actually does something if hes not scoring, can't say the same about Nerfgun Jake

Fair enough and I do agree, but Bruins fans themselves were the ones bringing this up and so I thought may there was something there?

[Patel Bure]

7 hours ago, FaninMex said:

Gaudette is worse than Virtanen. He only knows how to play in the O-zone. He cannot play center for his life.

Gaudette clearly looks overwhelmed in a top 9 role but maybe he could center an “energy” line one day in a 4th line role while we get an upgrade on our 3rd line.   Gaudette has a lot of limitations but he has decent offensive abilities when given better soft minutes (as he proved last year).    Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen could be a pretty decent 4th line one day imo.   Debrusk-Bennett-Bailey could be a decent 3rd line (I’m really bullish on Bailey and think he will develop into a really solid player).

[BCNate]

11 hours ago, luckylager said:

You're both forgetting about Lind.

 

By all accounts he's looking great at center so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started that grooming process because they don't see Gauds being that guy.

Lind is our future 3C. No need for Bennett.

 

Jake for Jake would be a no brainer though.

I am  much bigger fan of brining C prospects up as wingers and letting them learn the NHL game with less responsibility.  You can never have too many guys who can play C.  If Lind can play C, then having EP-BO-Bennett/Lind as you 4 C when Beagle is gone would be OK.  Bennett is a good fit for a bottom 6 C role, if we can get him for an expiring UFA, I'd be pretty happy. I really hope we don;t re sign Pearson.

[86Viking]

Hope whoever the GM is by TDL time Canucks 100% for sure should look to trade Pearson, should fetch a 2nd round pick or decent prospect

[Patel Bure]

34 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Hope whoever the GM is by TDL time Canucks 100% for sure should look to trade Pearson, should fetch a 2nd round pick or decent prospect

I still think Benning will be GM but I hope you’re right about Pearson (if we’re way out of contention at the deadline).    My hope is that the Canucks and Edler have also had a conversation with regards to next season (I.e. Nucks not intending to bring him back), which would allow the Canucks to land a 1st round pick for Edler (who decides to waive his NTC).   
 

If the Canucks are destined to bomb this year, then I see us being in a similar position to where Colorado was during the 2017 draft.   A good young core with incoming prospects, with no bad contracts on the books in the not-so-distant future (in our case, after July 1st 2022).

 

I still like the line-up below if it’s feasible for October 2022.

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Debrusk-Bennett-[2021 1st]

Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen

 

Lindholm-Schmidt

Hughes-Tryamkin

Juolevi-Myers

 

Demko

[Dipietro or CheapVet]

 

Gallant = head coach 
 

I haven’t checked capgeek to see if that line-up would be cap compliant (if not, then find ways of incentivizing Seattle to take Myers from us), but I think the above roster would very much be in the conversation for the cup.

 

1) Virtanen for Debrusk (I still don’t know why Boston would agree to this but their fans have a weird boner for Virtanen)

2) Pearson for Bennett (Flames get the better player / we get the younger long term asset that can play center).

3) Incentivize Seattle to take Myers

4) Either wait until July 1st 2022 to sign Hampus Lindholm or do a “trade and sign” with Anaheim like we did with Brandon Sutter when he was in Pittsburgh.

5) A possible “Marc Staal” type deal where we give a team a 2nd rounder to take Eriksson off our hands IF the Canucks want to be as competitive as early as 2021-2022.

 

[FaninMex]

14 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

Gaudette clearly looks overwhelmed in a top 9 role but maybe he could center an “energy” line one day in a 4th line role while we get an upgrade on our 3rd line.   Gaudette has a lot of limitations but he has decent offensive abilities when given better soft minutes (as he proved last year).    Motte-Gaudette-MacEwen could be a pretty decent 4th line one day imo.   Debrusk-Bennett-Bailey could be a decent 3rd line (I’m really bullish on Bailey and think he will develop into a really solid player).

A few things here that I feel I need to comment on.

1. What do you think the purpose of an energy line is? It is to change the momentum of the game into your favour. This usually involves good Defensive plays and being able to then push into the O zone. Think about how Roussel - Beagle - Motte play together. They all skate hard and hit. When Roussel irritates the other line, Beagle is there to support him and rub some faces with his glove. All three dive in front of the puck. It changes the game. I think they make a very good 4th line because they just feed off of one another.

 

Gaudette does not play that game. He thinks of scoring and going to the net. You do not see him diving to get in front of a shot. He will kinda stand there and if it hits him ok. We have not seen him take too many face offs but i ASSUME that the coach is sheltering him in this category. So, when he is not scoring, what is he really doing?

 

2. Bailey had some good energy but Big Mac is a much better player. Bailey is not doing anything wrong just meh.