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#43 Q. Hughes now Officially The Worst +/- Defenseman & Player in the entire league.

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3 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said:

I agree it is premature as a true #1

He is the best offensive Dman we have prob ever had though

He is a #1 pp specialist at the point :)

 

+/ - don't count  for/against pp or pk and he is no Larry Robinson who you'd put out at any time

I wonder if he could be a Paul Coffey type though #29 NHL all time in +/- ?

 

Shorthanded goals against when you are on the powerplay count as minuses for you and pluses for the s/h players on the ice

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14 hours ago, oldnews said:

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Hughes has made some mistakes this year - no doubt - but overall it has been a team/unit symptom - ...

 

For me the majority of the errors this season have been of this nature - giveaways in high danger areas - that can't effectively be defended - a fixable tendency that particularly the young forwards trying to 'cheat' the game, can correct.  

 

He's ...

 

 

While a lot of what you say makes sense I have to add that many of Quinn's minuses come from absolutely tragic defending on his part. Errors he wasn't making last year. I remember one goal where he stared at the puck carrier for about 20 seconds behind the net while his man simply stood beside him and then calmly tapped into the open net without Quinn even looking at him. He was literally an inch away and did absolutely nothing defensively.

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On 2/11/2021 at 10:47 PM, Type R said:

Its a tradeoff.  Top defenceman for points right now too.  I don't put this entirely on him, I do question defensive coaching of entire team, although i'd admit tonight was better.

The last cpl if games has shown that when they play the system employed, they are pretty tight defensively.  Until the last TO game the effort and execution wasn't there, thus the defensive breakdowns.  It was the execution, or lack thereof, not the system

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On 2/12/2021 at 8:24 PM, apollo said:

Canucks fans for 50 years: We need franchise dman!!!!!

 

2018... Jim Benning drafts Quinn Hughes... nope not 1st overall. Not 2nd or 3rd either... 7th!

 

The year is 2021... Quinn Hughes leads the Canucks in points ... was part of team that was 1 game away from the west final... was part of the team that ELIMINATED the reigning cup champs....

 

Hmmmm lets complain! :blink:

 

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This is the most glorious time to be a Canucks fan. If you're not entertained then you're taking it too seriously imo... if they stinking it up like first two games vs tarrana you have a right to stop watching and just go get some fresh air

Been watching the Canucks for decades - the only other time we've had excellent young players like these ones was when we acquired Ronning, Gelinas, Hedican and drafted Bure, Nedved and Linden (of course Nedved didn't stay long)... 

 

The difference maybe is this team has even more young talent then back then.  It's rare to see guys like QHs and EP doing that well so early on...For sure this is a great time to be a fan. 

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Plus minus is a team stat.  Quinn is the teams leader in TOI on a league worst team defence to start the year. Kinda makes sense. 
 

Sure he’s got things to work on, like every second year player, but I wouldn’t read into it.  The kid needs a better partner.  The franchise needs to address this.  They will.  All will be well. 

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Well, unfortunately after tonight's loss to the Flames, Quinn has slipped even further and taken over sole last place - all by himself - with the worst +/- in the entire National Hockey League with a staggering minus -14 - even behind Eric Gudbranson (if you can believe that) and behind ALL other 756 players and ALL other 257 defensemen.  The worst part is that we have another two Canucks in the bottom/worse 20 (Horvat -8 and Gaudette  -10)  Very Sad indeed !

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10 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

After Wednesday's win over Calgary (where he went +2) and after other NHL games on Thursday night, Quinn remained the 765th worst +/- player at -12 with just 4 players worse than him - so a bit of improvement.

If he gets to zero by the end of the year will you post a retraction?   These sort of threads rarely age well.   You for sure made your point - QHs, with the rest of the team has mostly cleaned up and kept it simple in their own zone the last five games.   First periods especially have be good as far a shot suppression goes.   The best part about QHs, Myers and Schmidt - is we finally have guys that can skate it out of the zone.    Part of this thread is valid for sure.   But it's so pre-mature.   Second season ...  

 

Bure was also a zero ish sort of plus minus guy quite a few years.   His PP for sure made up for it on the balance sheet.  Once the team gets better everyone's minus goes down as someone else mentioned.  Blowouts also screw the stats.  Myers had one bad game and Charfield a terrible game ... otherwise Myers would be plus 4, taking a lions share of the toughest assignments.   

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On 2/18/2021 at 11:41 PM, RU SERIOUS said:

After Wednesday's win over Calgary (where he went +2) and after other NHL games on Thursday night, Quinn remained the 765th worst +/- player at -12 with just 4 players worse than him - so a bit of improvement.

Yes.

I understand.

 

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After tonight's second loss to the Oilers in two days, Quinn has moved back down almost to the bottom as the 2nd worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League at minus -14 with all 782 other NHL players in the entire league with a better +/- than him.   

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5 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

After tonight's second loss to the Oilers in two days, Quinn has moved back down almost to the bottom as the 2nd worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League at minus -14 with all 782 other NHL players in the entire league with a better +/- than him.   

One could blame the coaching for Hughes decline. They expected way too much from him. Maybe they over coached him, or just let him, a talented skater, do his thing. I don't know but the management is responsible for the slide the Canucks are in. It only took the loss of 2 D men and a goal scorer to ruin a wining team. The Canucks also are without Tyler Motte their best penalty killer. You can't blame the team, or Hughes.

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40 minutes ago, snucks said:

It only took the loss of 2 D men and a goal scorer to ruin a wining team.

Only 2 D, one of which was the best defensive D man the team had, the other a decent5/6 guy

A play off rental

AND

 

The number one goalie

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3 hours ago, snucks said:

One could blame the coaching for Hughes decline. They expected way too much from him. Maybe they over coached him, or just let him, a talented skater, do his thing. I don't know but the management is responsible for the slide the Canucks are in. It only took the loss of 2 D men and a goal scorer to ruin a wining team. The Canucks also are without Tyler Motte their best penalty killer. You can't blame the team, or Hughes.

Hughes' "decline"?   He's 21.   You're talking about one month - in the career of a 21 yr old and referring to 'decline'?   He may be 'struggling' - and yet he's still a 21 pt in 24 game defenseman.   Plus/minus is really an integrated metric - one that must be integrated with a whole lot of other (inexhaustible) factors to even begin to have significance.  These young players 'struggling' with the 'possession' game - and goal metrics - is to be expected this early in their careers, particularly when there is shifting 'foundation' around them.   The short terms results may indicate a regression - but again, as the team integrates all these youth they are nevertheless still arguably progressing - not declining.  If this core is still sputtering once they've reached their primes, then maybe we should start talking about decline or 'steps backward'.   For me, when you have a large lot of very talented youth - EP, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Horvat, Motte (Virtanen/Gaudette/MacEwen) - and you're adding Hoglander, Juolevi to the mix, and giving Demko his first stints as potential starter - you are still making progress even if some are struggling/the performance is inconsistent and the results are not there yet.

 

Hughes went from playing with Tanev - to an extremely rusty Hamonic - who promptly got injured - to playing with a #7/8 - the #4 LHD moved to his off side = Benn.

The franchise's #1 priority remains Hughes partner.  I could see the team looking to the uprooting of the expansion draft as a possible opportunity to find the right, younger partner for Hughes.   Personally I would have re-signed Tanev - who makes a massive difference - but I also understand if they're looking to find a player that will grow with this core and be a  longer term partner for Hughes.

 

And the fact you don't even mention Markstrom - is telling. 

He developed into a top flight starter here - and that took time.  He and Tanev were a huge part of the 'foundation'. 

Expecting Demko to step in and equal Markstrom's performance - is a tall order, particularly playing behind a very young team in a parachuted covid season. 

 

The team is still in 'transition' stage - whether people like it or not.  What they managed with 20 and 21 year old EP, Hughes - was impressive - but for a whole range of reasons, this season is more transition - and the expectations were probably premature.

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2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Hughes' "decline"?   He's 21.   You're talking about one month - in the career of a 21 yr old and referring to 'decline'?   He may be 'struggling' - and yet he's still a 21 pt in 24 game defenseman.   Plus/minus is really an integrated metric - one that must be integrated with a whole lot of other (inexhaustible) factors to even begin to have significance.  These young players 'struggling' with the 'possession' game - and goal metrics - is to be expected this early in their careers, particularly when there is shifting 'foundation' around them.   The short terms results may indicate a regression - but again, as the team integrates all these youth they are nevertheless still arguably progressing - not declining.  If this core is still sputtering once they've reached their primes, then maybe we should start talking about decline or 'steps backward'.   For me, when you have a large lot of very talented youth - EP, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Horvat, Motte (Virtanen/Gaudette/MacEwen) - and you're adding Hoglander, Juolevi to the mix, and giving Demko his first stints as potential starter - you are still making progress even if some are struggling/the performance is inconsistent and the results are not there yet.

 

Hughes went from playing with Tanev - to an extremely rusty Hamonic - who promptly got injured - to playing with a #7/8 - the #4 LHD moved to his off side = Benn.

The franchise's #1 priority remains Hughes partner.  I could see the team looking to the uprooting of the expansion draft as a possible opportunity to find the right, younger partner for Hughes.   Personally I would have re-signed Tanev - who makes a massive difference - but I also understand if they're looking to find a player that will grow with this core and be a  longer term partner for Hughes.

 

And the fact you don't even mention Markstrom - is telling. 

He developed into a top flight starter here - and that took time.  He and Tanev were a huge part of the 'foundation'. 

Expecting Demko to step in and equal Markstrom's performance - is a tall order, particularly playing behind a very young team in a parachuted covid season. 

 

The team is still in 'transition' stage - whether people like it or not.  What they managed with 20 and 21 year old EP, Hughes - was impressive - but for a whole range of reasons, this season is more transition - and the expectations were probably premature.

QHs decline is funny really.  He's just a kid still.   Won't peak for another six years maybe twelve, that's when these guys tend to do it.    Lidstrom at 21?  Not nearly as good as Orr or Potvin.  Or Borque...and let's face it he's 175lbs and maybe 5'9".   Not exactly comparing apples with apples. 

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1 minute ago, IBatch said:

QHs decline is funny really.  He's just a kid still.   Won't peak for another six years maybe twelve, that's when these guys tend to do it.    Lidstrom at 21?  Not nearly as good as Orr or Potvin.  Or Borque...and let's face it he's 175lbs and maybe 5'9".   Not exactly comparing apples with apples. 

This is what underlies - I think - a lot of the anger presently in this market.  

The expectation that these young guys were ready to carry a team, that they are at or near their "prime" - is really premature. 

People may have gotten the misimpression that there would not be any growing pains with this emerging core.

The pressure this market (not directed at that particular poster) has put on these guys - is borderline unhinged at times.

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Well Quinn is back in Hunt for being the worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League at Minus -16 (with all but one of 798 players ahead of him with a better +/- rating) after being caught down ice (once again) leading to Toronto's first goal on Thursday.

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On 2/11/2021 at 10:35 PM, RU SERIOUS said:

A sad stat , but with no one (Tanev) left to cover Quinn's A$$ when he's out of position when he's caught up ice or bumbling the puck, he's now fallen to the very worst and last +/- position in the entire National Hockey league at Minus -13 (Tied with Guess who....Gudbranson) with ALL 252 defenseman  and ALL 743 other players in the entire league with a better +/- than him.     

 

Does JB or TG share any blame for this very sad situation????

Babe Ruth also held the most strike out record 5 times in his career

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