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Lucic has gotten a lot of flack around here, but the guy is made of stone and never ever gets injured. He can throw a mean body check too. Just having him on the team make his team mates a foot taller. I wonder how many would make that Eriksson-Lucic trade now. 

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20 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Lucic has gotten a lot of flack around here, but the guy is made of stone and never ever gets injured. He can throw a mean body check too. Just having him on the team make his team mates a foot taller. I wonder how many would make that Eriksson-Lucic trade now. 

I still wouldn’t. I don’t want that ape on skates anywhere near this team. 

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45 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Lucic has gotten a lot of flack around here, but the guy is made of stone and never ever gets injured.

Lucic missed 10 games in 08-09

                         32 games in 09-10

                         3                 in 10-11

                         36              in 12-13

                          3 in 18-19

               and 14 last season 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=83957

 
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6 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said:

Motte does not scare anyone I assure u

Where did you specify that we needed to trade for a player who scares others. 

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4 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Where did you specify that we needed to trade for a player who scares others. 

The ability to back it up in a fight was in the text. If you think this team is hard to play against and plays the body enough id suggest you are in the minority.

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1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Last time I checked Motte was leading the entire league in hits. 

 

Just saying. 

Motte's 70 hits in 15 games is a 383 hits / 82 games - an insane pace.

And Miller has 38 in 14 games - which tracks as 223 hits in 82 games...

Virtanen is tracking at 191 hits/82.

Roussel 32 in 16 - 164...

MacEwen, Edler, Beagle, Pearson all,  likewise, tracking for some pretty high hit totals.

 

I think the OP probably means a face-puncher moreso....

 

I'd propose Roussel to Deadmonton for Kassian (again lol) - but the Coil gave Kassian a 4 year x 3.2 million deal - so I'm not sure that's 'cap friendly' for this team....

 

Not easy to find a guy that can play - at reasonable terms - that can also provide 'enforcement'.

 

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1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said:

If you think this team is hard to play against and plays the body enough id suggest you are in the minority.

Please show me where I said that? 

 

I knew what you were saying.  Everyone who's been following the team knows there's no 'identity' now.  As a team, they're not playing skilled, they're not playing tough, they're not playing defensive, they're not playing anything but disorganized, sloppy and unable to execute.  Juice said it himself - they are 'fun' to play against right now which isn't a good thing.

 

You suggesting that acquiring guys who can hit and fight people will change the direction this team is on right now however, puts you in the minority I believe. 

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12 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Please show me where I said that? 

 

I knew what you were saying.  Everyone who's been following the team knows there's no 'identity' now.  As a team, they're not playing skilled, they're not playing tough, they're not playing defensive, they're not playing anything but disorganized, sloppy and unable to execute.  Juice said it himself - they are 'fun' to play against right now which isn't a good thing.

 

You suggesting that acquiring guys who can hit and fight people will change the direction this team is on right now however, puts you in the minority I believe. 

100 percent I believe that if we had more guys that could hit and fight and play a heavy aggressive game then we would be a much better team and much tougher to play against. which would translate into more points.  The skilled guys would play without fear. This team has zero intent on sticking up for each other , ask Bailey after last night. The smallest guy on your team besides hogs leads your team in hits, no thanks.

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6 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said:

100 percent I believe that if we had more guys that could hit and fight and play a heavy aggressive game then we would be a much better team and much tougher to play against. which would translate into more points.  The skilled guys would play without fear. This team has zero intent on sticking up for each other , ask Bailey after last night. The smallest guy on your team besides hogs leads your team in hits, no thanks.

The game has moved past the requirement of having a number of players who fight nightly. We have plenty of players who hit, including Motte who you dismissed based off his size. Leading the NHL in hits is absolutely nothing to scoff at, and having a player like on the ice does make the team more difficult to play against. The Canucks have a combined 390 hits this season. In comparison to the top teams in each division that is a high number, all be it with more games played.  Toronto has 244 Vegas has 281, Boston has 266, Tampa has 263. Obviously those numbers will be higher when those teams have played 5 more games, but Vancouver is currently hitting at a higher pace then those teams. 

 

I also don't believe for one second that our skilled guys are playing in fear. Our skilled guys are highly competitive players who don't scare away from physical play. Horvat, Miller, and Petey all have no hesitation throwing their weight around when the going gets tough.

 

This team is currently playing a flawed game, the results clearly show that. But we aren't being run out of buildings or being bullied. We are being beat by defensive laps and bad on ice judgement calls. We are not difficult to play as a team because of those factors, not our lack of physical play.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

Lucic missed 10 games in 08-09

                         32 games in 09-10

                         3                 in 10-11

                         36              in 12-13

                          3 in 18-19

               and 14 last season 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=83957

 

2012-13 was the lockout shortened season, so i don't think he missed any games there. so all in all 62 games missed in 14 seasons. i wouldn't say it's bad, especially for someone who plays such a physical game.

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2 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

The game has moved past the requirement of having a number of players who fight nightly. We have plenty of players who hit, including Motte who you dismissed based off his size. Leading the NHL in hits is absolutely nothing to scoff at, and having a player like on the ice does make the team more difficult to play against. The Canucks have a combined 390 hits this season. In comparison to the top teams in each division that is a high number, all be it with more games played.  Toronto has 244 Vegas has 281, Boston has 266, Tampa has 263. Obviously those numbers will be higher when those teams have played 5 more games, but Vancouver is currently hitting at a higher pace then those teams. 

 

I also don't believe for one second that our skilled guys are playing in fear. Our skilled guys are highly competitive players who don't scare away from physical play. Horvat, Miller, and Petey all have no hesitation throwing their weight around when the going gets tough.

 

This team is currently playing a flawed game, the results clearly show that. But we aren't being run out of buildings or being bullied. We are being beat by defensive laps and bad on ice judgement calls. We are not difficult to play as a team because of those factors, not our lack of physical play.

Agree to disagree but that is fine and what the forums are about.

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4 minutes ago, Rubik said:

2012-13 was the lockout shortened season, so i don't think he missed any games there. so all in all 62 games missed in 14 seasons. i wouldn't say it's bad, especially for someone who plays such a physical game.

I agree, but the poster I was responding to said "the guy is made of stone and never ever gets injured."

 

 

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1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said:

Agree to disagree but that is fine and what the forums are about.

What exactly are we in disagreement over?

You stated we need to bring in "anyone who will throw a body check" and that will help correct our current path. I'm saying that we already have plenty of players who do that, so it isn't the fix.

 

Edit: for the record I love disagreement in hockey talk. It makes for the best conversations. That's why I more often engage with people with opposite opinions rather pump tires of the same. 

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1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said:

100 percent I believe that if we had more guys that could hit and fight and play a heavy aggressive game then we would be a much better team and much tougher to play against. which would translate into more points.  The skilled guys would play without fear. This team has zero intent on sticking up for each other , ask Bailey after last night. The smallest guy on your team besides hogs leads your team in hits, no thanks.

I 100% agree with this. I remember stats from when Lucic played in Edmonton, there was less man games lost to their stars.  Milan scares people, everyone stands a foot taller when he plays. People are less likely to take liberties. If you remember Bieksa last year when Sam Bennett was out throwing like 7 hits a game. It was when he joined Lucic's line, and bieksa even said' how big do you think Sam Bennett feels right now'. 

even last night, we were playing the body and making hits and getting scrappy. Then during a faceoff, Lucic took off a glove and pointed to his head and addressed Rooster saying use your head and it all stopped.  Macewen was also playing the body hard on the first period, and then Milan talked to Mac and I bet he said something along the lines of' keep it up and you deal with me', and it stopped. 

 

We need a slight fear factor, which we tried to address in Ferland. Just bad luck he's got a soft head.

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