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Ahh, like this mid-season vibe, which seems to now be a recurring, yr-on-yr pattern.

 

Leave the Missus in her deep sleep, & amble down for a coffee. Think about our great game, turn on CDC, to see a number of our prospects are lighting it up, all over the world(like Jeff Lynne once sang). We've been adding impressive, young talent with the efficiency of a Toyota assembly line. It's been such a relentless, indomitable beast, that JB could afford to take a yr off at the draft table. He prob still uncovered a few gems, but the world would turn on if he didn't.

 

You keep churning out young, just-in-time, ELC talent like we have, & all stumbles & sins will quickly melt away. I can't wait to see what this team looks like by about 2023. Also, think about all the lessons they'll have learned by then. Our (still) youth in their early-to-mid-20's? They'll have learned from vets who could settle in here for a number of seasons. I like that JB hasn't been flipping/changing things, like young adults finding easy hook-ups in modern times. There's something to be said for dancin' with the one that brung ya. For sticking with commitments, until you break through to a higher level.

 

Well..I'm rambling, & it's time for java #2...

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13 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

So to me, Myers was our best d-man tonight even before he scored the winning goal.  He looked like a clear cut top pairing d-man for the night...  don't want to debate the rest of the season, but tonight it was pretty obvious. 

Ageeed, and I thought this was Schmidt's best defensive game, Ole was very strong, Eddy was himself and Quinn looked good. The only Dman who I didn't like was Benn, outlet passes into winger's skates, high and wide shots, losing defensive coverage on their goal. I'd like to see him sit for Chatfield. But Chats with Eddy, Quinn with Myers and Schmidt and Ole together, then you have just one Dman playing their wrong side.

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12 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

Has anybody started to notice lately, that Matt Tkachuk does his best work after the 3rd period ?.

 

Sittin' on the can in the men's room?

 

With that, can someone with skills ( @Gassy Jack?) photoshop a toilet for Matthew here?  Looks a bit constipated.

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49 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

Overpaying players to come here is nothing new, the Canadian dollar and idiot fans who are clueless has a lot to do with it, especially when their clueless about the extra's a player bring and I'll use your example, Myers, he's worth every penny because of his size but most people forget about that until we need that size but usually too stupid to think about it before beaking off...  same with Tryamkin..  and do I expect any of this to change anytime soon ?  uhhhh nope! 

I don't think it's fair to blame the fans about being clueless. Many wouldn't say it if the concern has any merit. But it's not like the hockey analysts from TSN and Sportsnet also expressed same concerns with Myers contract as well. 

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8 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Esler could have engaged/responded  by "wrestling" back and defending himself without fear of a suspension.  He just stood there like a punching bag.  Sorry but that behaviour, disciplined or not, does impact the way players feel about themselves and their team.  

If Edler was a rookie that would have more merit imo but 15 years 0 fighting majors team knows he is tough without the fighting component in his game. 

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9 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Esler could have engaged/responded  by "wrestling" back and defending himself without fear of a suspension.  He just stood there like a punching bag.  Sorry but that behaviour, disciplined or not, does impact the way players feel about themselves and their team.  

I saw it as “thats the best you have?”

 

it was laughable actually 

 

just made Tkachuk look like a goof 

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3 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Esler could have engaged/responded  by "wrestling" back and defending himself without fear of a suspension.  He just stood there like a punching bag.  Sorry but that behaviour, disciplined or not, does impact the way players feel about themselves and their team.  

I don't know Dib. I could be wrong but, Edler seemed to handle it in stride. That probably frustrated Tkapuke. I mean, what was Tkapuke able to accomplish, acting up like that?

Nothing as far as I could see. Did Edler hide.....no, he just did not react, like Tkapuke wanted him too. It will not change Edler's game, it never has. IMO, he has a lot of respect through out the league, for the way he plays.

 

IMO, Tkapuke isn't big enough to bother Edler. Now if that was Lucic, it would have been a different matter and Edler would have tried to tie up Lucic more, but IMO, Tkapuke does not have it, and that is through the league by now. IMO, Edler is not bothered one bit.

 

Not at all like the way the Sedin's were man handled......

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3 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

OJ quietly having solid rookie season, hogs no. 6 in rookie scoring, ahead of stutzle, 2 points back of lead, was unlucky not to get point last night. Another good JB/nucks draft pick with podz, rathbone, Lind poised to play NHL games this year/next year. Then there are guys like Lockwood, woo, jasek, Gadjo, Aidan mcdonut, truscott, who still have an outside chance at an nhl career, short or long.

 

JB era picks in the NHL/played nhl games (over 6 drafts- a little early to include this year, especially as we did not pick 'til 3rd round)

 

Boess

EP

Huggy

Virtanen

McCann

Tryamkin

Dipietro

Forsling

Gaudette

OJ

Hogz

 

so we are realistically looking at 13-14 players from his first 6 drafts to make the nhl, not bad

 

 

add freezer to that group- has played 8 NHL games that's 12 nhlers in 6 drafts with podz, rathbone, Lind, poised to play , woo, focht, jasek, gadjo, 

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17 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

I don't think it's fair to blame the fans about being clueless. Many wouldn't say it if the concern has any merit. But it's not like the hockey analysts from TSN and Sportsnet also expressed same concerns with Myers contract as well. 

That's hilarious! Really? No sorry but your mistaken, and the so-called analyst's on TSN and SN are just as clueless as the ones in Vancouver, proof? they said the same thing with JT Miller but we underpaid for him instead, and seriously, your ok with having a butter soft team that gets beat on?  the Sedin beatings must have been ok with you right? Andddd who did said fans agree with until proven wrong? they agreed with the media, which was laughable... good grief.. and before that, that Horvat was a  career 3rd line guy that couldn't skate well, Petey was too "slight"... want more? there's LOTS!

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2 hours ago, FaninMex said:

But follow the progress of the conversation. Try to be apart of something rather than the person that always cries and says this sucks.

 

Who do you replace him with?

Gaudette does not hit nor does he play D.

Mac plays a similar game and hits a bit more than JV. However, JV plays D and can be seen covering for D men that drop down.

Haw... (don't know how to spell his name) I don't know him.

Bailey was interesting but is injured now.

Podkolzin is not here, yet.

Eriksson is good at D but lacking in many other areas. He may play more with Motte injured for his ability to PK.

 

The Canucks are better with him in the line up then having him sit.

Mac and Virt make Sutter better. As they showed the most chemistry.

 

Again you and every other troll compares JV effort level to Motte and Hog. Who else competes like them? If you hold the team to their level of motivation, then we need to scrap the team as they are all useless and lazy.

Lol so everyone that criticizes Jake's effort level is a troll?

 

I guess Jim Benning and Travis Green are trolls as well lol.

 

Are you his Dad?

 

Look, we all want him to succeed, the balls always been in his court and if he gave a sh*t he might make a decent career for himself, but he doesnt.

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15 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

You know what I am wondering Deb? Why Tkapuke did not get a penalty for that slew foot. It was blatant! 

Or Lucic and the hit from behind on Bailey, from the previous game.

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1 hour ago, hammertime said:

How about 24 yearold Ferland?

 

Anyway youre missing the point. If JV made an effort he would be an impact player but he doesn't so he isn't. He's had all the chances maybe he figures it out but rest assured it won't be here. Don't need his waste of talent around the team infecting the culture anymore. 

I agree Jake is invisible out there unless he does something stupid and that is often. If he could only use his size and speed to his advantage he'd be a top six star

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18 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

You know what I am wondering Deb? Why Tkapuke did not get a penalty for that slew foot. It was blatant! 

I didn’t see a whole lot of difference between this play and the one called on Pearson.

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24 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't know Dib. I could be wrong but, Edler seemed to handle it in stride. That probably frustrated Tkapuke. I mean, what was Tkapuke able to accomplish, acting up like that?

Nothing as far as I could see. Did Edler hide.....no, he just did not react, like Tkapuke wanted him too. It will not change Edler's game, it never has. IMO, he has a lot of respect through out the league, for the way he plays.

 

IMO, Tkapuke isn't big enough to bother Edler. Now if that was Lucic, it would have been a different matter and Edler would have tried to tie up Lucic more, but IMO, Tkapuke does not have it, and that is through the league by now. IMO, Edler is not bothered one bit.

 

Not at all like the way the Sedin's were man handled......

Perhaps.  It also seems that a win takes the sting out of episodes like that.  If we had loss, more fans would be outraged by the salt being rubbed in our wound. 

 

Beyond this one incident, I do still worry this team lacks the group mentality/toughness to be effective consistently in games that matter.  Hate or love Burke but he is right that every team that has won a Stanley cup plays hard and with a good dose of nasty.   We certainly were.on the receiving end of that in 2011. Pack mentality matters as does stepping up when called for.  patrick Laine taking an extra 2 and fighting on behalf of a teammate the other day may not have been wise or disciplined but it sent a message to the other teams in the league and more importantly to his teammates. When was the last time we saw a canuck jump in like that for a wronged teammate?

 

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11 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

He had a good game tonight, but we'd be doing cartwheels if Myers gets taken in the ED. 6 million per is a massive price tag for a very low end top 4 d-man

He is a valuable commodity; a right handed top-4 Dman. Since last year I've been watching more closely how hard it is for a defenseman to play his off-hand. Even for talented players like Schmidt it's not natural. Turning your back on the play in order to take the puck off the boards on your weak side means you can't take the quick short, make the quick pass and are limited in passing options.  I played D back in the day, but I'm right-handed and almost always played my strong side. I now understand why Travis really wants Dmen to play their strong side. The Canucks don't have many right handed Dmen in the system, Chatfield, Rafferty, Woo and Elliot, only Woo has top-4 potential and he's at least a couple of years off, so I doubt they want to lose Myers.

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28 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

You know what I am wondering Deb? Why Tkapuke did not get a penalty for that slew foot. It was blatant! 

Because Game Management. Worse yet, perhaps Bettman still hates the Nucks and that spills over to the officials. Or what about Tepukiechuck rabit punching at the end, no game misconduct for being so unsportsmanlike. Just like Marchand wasn't penalized for doing the same thing in 2011. It's sad. I also wonder why Lucic wasn't penalized for hitting Baily in the numbers, the list goes on...

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10 hours ago, FaninMex said:

I agree with many here that he has not proven that he is a top 6 like we all wanted him to be.

I agree that he lost his spot to Hoglander.

I agree that he may lose his spot to Podkolzin when he arrives.

I do not agree that JV is as terrible as people are saying. For example, Sutter score his hattrick with JV on his line because JV was doing his job. The team was not losing because he was in the line up.

I do not agree that JV should get craped on while Gaudette gets a free pass.

I do not agree that JV is always compared to Motte or Hoglander as there are very few on this team that play like them. It is an unfair comparison and if he is compared to them then everyone must be,

Jake is one of those guys who grew and matured early, developed good hand-eye coordination naturally and didn't really have to work hard to be a great player at a young age. He reached his peak in Junior, as he was bigger, faster and stronger than everybody else, which made him a big fish in a small pond. But so many of those guys never learn a work ethic, they take their offseason training and their diet for granted. Now Jake is in a league full of guys as talented or more talented than Jake Virtanen, he is no longer a big fish and has never developed the work ethic needed to improve. Jake is as good as he will ever be, and sadly that's good enough to be a third or forth line winger, limited by his lack of hockey IQ to PP2 time and no PK time. He plays with guys like Motte, Bo, Petey and now Hogs who are successful because of their serious work ethic. Smart players look at what makes others successful and they copy them sadly Jake's not that smart.

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