J.I.A.H.N Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just trying to take my mind off last game............. Ok, so here is the proposal Ty Smith, Nolan Foote and NJ Devils, 2021 1st for Quinn Hughes Admittedly, Smith is a step down from Hughes offensively, but he is a bigger and much better defense player. Nolan Foote has the ability to be a 1st line LWer, who is a big body, and plays a grittier game. The first should be in the top 10, which should give us a pretty decent prospect. Yes you love Hughes, but is the move a good move for the Canucks, Smith looks to be a normal 54 pt average 1st line defenseman, and probably show a little higher on the offensive Canucks. Ty Smith will cost less, coming off his ELC in 2 more years, for a much more controlled cap hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pears Posted February 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2021 Can we please stop trying to trade Hughes? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pears said: Can we please stop trying to trade Hughes? Hey, I would trade my mother, if I could improve the team. She is tougher than Horvat, and the ref would know exactly what he did wrong! Edited February 21, 2021 by janisahockeynut 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Trade proposals with Hughes and Pettersson involved should be an automatic no-go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Hey, I would trade my mother, if I could improve the team. She is tougher than Horvat, and the ref would know exactly what he did wrong! But this doesn’t improve the team. Like, at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Usually the winner of deals like these is whoever gets the best player. So NJ would be the winner. Get NJ to take LE (no retention) then I would be tempted to make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Franchise's first elite level d-man and we're already trying to trade em. Our fanbase can truly be wack sometimes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 If NJ would overpay, would probably mull it over. First if we established Tryamkin's returning, & that Rathbone really cuts the mustard. If anyone would overpay, it'd be the Devs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I don’t think NJ actually takes this deal. It’s too big an overpayment. Hughes is better. But Smith has just started his career and looks great so far. Foote is 5 games into his professional career in the AHL but looks like a great prospect. The first is a high first. That’s too much for a rebuilding team to give up for what could end up being only a marginal upgrade from Smith to Hughes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Franchise's first elite level d-man and we're already trying to trade em. Our fanbase can truly be wack sometimes. You see N7, this is why I have a problem with some of CDC They can not see past their nose Remember the saying...."All that glitters is not Gold"? Here is the reality of Hughes Hughes is an elite Offensive Defenseman, but a sub-par defensive defenseman Hughes over all contribution to the Canucks, which includes PP and even strength Hughes is a -3 defenseman overall, or as close to that as I can make out Basically his -13 at even strength minus his plus 10 PP =, his -3 Taking the same formula, let's look at Ty Smith Smith is a +7 at even strength plus his 2 PP = his + 9 overall ratng a difference of +12 between Hughes and Ty Smith Now when you look at Ty Smith's numbers in junior he was +49 even before PP points are added in his last year Now, all I am saying is temper your opinion on Quinn Hughes as I would not argue that my calculations are incomplete, but using the same theory for both and you can see the results Yes Hughes is better and more dynamic, but a high 1st line player (Nolan Foote + a high 1st better? Edited February 21, 2021 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think NJ actually takes this deal. It’s too big an overpayment. Hughes is better. But Smith has just started his career and looks great so far. Foote is 5 games into his professional career in the AHL but looks like a great prospect. The first is a high first. That’s too much for a rebuilding team to give up for what could end up being only a marginal upgrade from Smith to Hughes It's hard to know/spec on the threshold where they'd bail. Marketing of two Hughes Bros would be pretty persuasive for them. But then they might still be steamed on the lousy result from that famous 2013 draft swindle! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think NJ actually takes this deal. It’s too big an overpayment. Hughes is better. But Smith has just started his career and looks great so far. Foote is 5 games into his professional career in the AHL but looks like a great prospect. The first is a high first. That’s too much for a rebuilding team to give up for what could end up being only a marginal upgrade from Smith to Hughes So we add a Gaudette to the proposal....... LOL....something that CDC may have a hard time wrapping their collective heads around............lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Yeesh Jan. If you look at the entire history of the Canucks. We have never had a franchise D. I mean we are talking Lumme, Edler, Ohlund, Salo,....... Doug Lidster? in terms of best D to ever play for the Canucks. Like ever. You don't go trading Hughes you move heaven and earth to get him a partner to reach his full potential. A Ham to his Juice. Sure Hughes +/- isn't great but he's a rover and we literally have him paired with a 7/8D a guy who spent most of last year as a healthy scratch. Surely his numbers would be better alongside a 25yo Seabrook. Instead of trading Hughes JB needs to be putting in the leg work to find Hughes enabler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfollower1983 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: If NJ would overpay, would probably mull it over. First if we established Tryamkin's returning, & that Rathbone really cuts the mustard. If anyone would overpay, it'd be the Devs. is it even possible to cut mustard? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: You see N7, this is why I have a problem with some of CDC They can not see past their nose Remember the saying...."All that glitters is not Gold"? Here is the reality of Hughes Hughes is an elite Offensive Defenseman, but a sub-par defensive defenseman Hughes over all contribution to the Canucks, which includes PP and even strength Hughes is a -3 defenseman overall, or as close to that as I can make out Basically his -13 at even strength minus his plus 10 PP =, his -3 Taking the same formula, let's look at Ty Smith Smith is a +7 at even strength plus his 2 PP = his + 9 overall ratng a difference of +12 between Hughes and Ty Smith Now when you look at Ty Smith's numbers in junior he was +49 even before PP points are added in his last year Now, all I am saying is temper your opinion on Quinn Hughes as I would not argue that my calculations are incomplete, but using the same theory for both and you can see the results Yes Hughes is better and more dynamic, but a high 1st line player (Nolan Foote + a high 1st better? Can't see past their nose eh? Was Horvat a sub par defender when he was -30? He's -15 this season too. Must be sub par defensively by your metric. Hughes is not an elite shutdown guy but is defensively responsible. He also eats minutes that nobody else does against the opponents best players. So again, his minus has little to do with his lack of defensive game. Look past your nose and actually dig into the stats instead of just the surface of them. "He's a minus must be bad defensively :D " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Nucksfollower1983 said: is it even possible to cut mustard? Of course. But don'cha go slicin' the ketchup, nor pushin' the relish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I suggested Hughes+ for Severson and Ty Smith and practically got the same response. I don’t know how much of a downgrade Smith is offensively. The kid has 8 points in 13 games (6 of those points are at ES) while playing on the 3rd worst offensive team in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GritGrinder Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Can't see past their nose eh? Was Horvat a sub par defender when he was -30? He's -15 this season too. Must be sub par defensively by your metric. Hughes is not an elite shutdown guy but is defensively responsible. He also eats minutes that nobody else does against the opponents best players. So again, his minus has little to do with his lack of defensive game. Look past your nose and actually dig into the stats instead of just the surface of them. "He's a minus must be bad defensively :D " Looking at the year Bo was a -30. CF 45.8% FF 44.4% PDO 97.1 43.0% oZone starts 57.0% dZone starts. The way Willie used a 20 year old Bo in terms of zone starts are a a big reason he was -30. Bo is good defensively but I don't exactly see any Selke votes the past few seasons. Here are Quinn's stats so far this season. CF 51.3% FF 49.2% PDO 97.1 67.8% oZone starts 32.2% dZone starts. The #'s aren't too bad but when you take into account the zone starts they are pretty bad. What if Quinn was used the way Bo was used as a 20 year old and had 43% oZone and 57% dZone starts. I shudder to think what Quinn's #'s would look like right now but somewhere around -20 CF 45% FF 42% PDO 93. So no Quinn is not defensively responsible yet and he doesn't really "eat minutes that nobody else does against the opponents best players", he's at 22:14 per game with no PK time and 4:35 on the PP. He's a PP specialist who uses his deployment and skating to avoid being a complete defensive disaster. Edited February 22, 2021 by GritGrinder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 23 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Can't see past their nose eh? Was Horvat a sub par defender when he was -30? He's -15 this season too. Must be sub par defensively by your metric. Hughes is not an elite shutdown guy but is defensively responsible. He also eats minutes that nobody else does against the opponents best players. So again, his minus has little to do with his lack of defensive game. Look past your nose and actually dig into the stats instead of just the surface of them. "He's a minus must be bad defensively :D " What Horvats plus/minus says is that he is scored upon, more than he scores...............so yes, as a 1B centerman, he is sub par defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Pettersson for Hischier and Ty Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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