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Trudeau was right. IT is much easier to control an entire economy when people will do your bidding without protest or lawsuit.

Take covid for example. CCP says stay home, the people either stay home, or get carted off to a re education camp or shot. In Canada some dummies attend maskless rallies and endanger us all. If they do it repeatedly they will eventually get a fine.

 Heck of a lot easier for the CCP to deal with than for Canada.

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6 minutes ago, Wayne Glensky said:

Because CDC is very liberal and it’s hard to get any point across. 

oh come on, if you're going to try to use a statement for something that wasn't intended, you will get called out for it. CDC has all political stripes here. 

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6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yep. It sucks for the athletes, but there's no way we can support a corrupt regime that has imprisoned two of our citizens for years, just to make a political statement.

 

I guess the question would be: Do the Americans follow suit, like we did in 1980?

hard to say... right now I'd say we'd likely be on our own. I don't see how I could support watching it with our guys in a Chinese prison. 

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2 minutes ago, Wayne Glensky said:

I don’t normally post about politics and I’ve made my point on this topic and that’s all I will  say. I am also at work. 

Fair enough. However inherent bias and it nullifying someone's belief or acceptance of your opinion is not confined to politics. By your logic, as a Canucks fan your opinion can be "Elias Petterson is the best player by far in the NHL, better than McDavid, Matthews etc", it clearly shows your bias and nobody would take you seriously but you're free to express that opinion and I don't think "liberal CDC" (i actually snort-laughed at that line) will have any issue other than to call your opinion ludicrous.

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5 minutes ago, gurn said:

Trudeau was right. IT is much easier to control an entire economy when people will do your bidding without protest or lawsuit.

Take covid for example. CCP says stay home, the people either stay home, or get carted off to a re education camp or shot. In Canada some dummies attend maskless rallies and endanger us all. If they do it repeatedly they will eventually get a fine.

 Heck of a lot easier for the CCP to deal with than for Canada.

it just shows what O'Toole and the conservatives are up to. They believe Trudeau is "weak on China" and they manufactured a fake vote to "prove" it.

 

Until we get past this kind of crap we won't be able to take a truly tough stance against China. If we're really willing to cut ourselves off from them, its going to effect everything from labour unions to a need in investment in manufacturing and other businesses, i.e. we're going to effect everyone of every political stripe. If we continue with useless bickering and gotcha crap China wins. 

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4 minutes ago, GritGrinder said:

Fair enough. However inherent bias and it nullifying someone's belief or acceptance of your opinion is not confined to politics. By your logic, as a Canucks fan your opinion can be "Elias Petterson is the best player by far in the NHL, better than McDavid, Matthews etc", it clearly shows your bias and nobody would take you seriously but you're free to express that opinion and I don't think "liberal CDC" (i actually snort-laughed at that line) will have any issue other than to call your opinion ludicrous.

Which is fair. Agree to disagree and move on. 

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1 hour ago, Wayne Glensky said:

Maybe so, but there was a time, in Trudeaus own words, in a live interview... 

 

 

The future prime minister’s odd answer: “You know, there’s a level of admiration I actually have for China ….”

China? Why China?

“Because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green  fastest…we need to start investing in solar.'”

 

To me right there that is enough evidence to prove Trudeau isn’t about Canada first. 

And Harper's Canada China trade deal was? His trade deal in 2014 has been commented by others as "selling Canada out"

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18 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

So, here is my first statement

I have no problem with Muslim's

It is not my religion, but there are a lot of not my religion's out there

 

So, here is my question

 

Would you vote to allow Canada to let all Uighurs to immigrate to Canada?

I am not sure how many there are, but we have plenty of land and water

and alot more money than them, so I am sure, we could afford it,

with a little down turn in our economy, but we would rebound eventually

 

So would you vote yes?

 

Let's be honest here! 

There are about 12 million Uighurs in Xinjiang.  Clearly we could not accomodate such a large population.

 

That being said, I was hoping your question would get more discussion because it's an interesting one.

 

Suppose President Xi started transporting thousands of Uighurs to Canada on a regular basis on freighters and planes saying: "You're so concerned about them, you can have them."

 

What would our response be?   What should our response be?

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3 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

There are about 12 million Uighurs in Xinjiang.  Clearly we could not accomodate such a large population.

 

That being said, I was hoping your question would get more discussion because it's an interesting one.

 

Suppose President Xi started transporting thousands of Uighurs to Canada on a regular basis on freighters and planes saying: "You're so concerned about them, you can have them."

 

What would our response be?   What should our response be?

 https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2017/09/20/white-south-africans-denied-refugee-status-in-canada/

 

 

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9 minutes ago, canuckster19 said:

In the case you cite, the government refused to accept their grounds for refugee status.

 

In the case of the Uighurs, Parliament has already said they're victims of genocide.  That would make it pretty hard for us to refuse to accept them, wouldn't it?

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Just now, UnkNuk said:

In the case you cite, the government refused to accept their grounds for refugee status.

 

In the case of the Uighurs, Parliament has already said they're victims of genocide.  That would make it pretty hard for us to refuse to accept them, wouldn't it?

The fact that we turn a blind eye to one but not the other is appalling and their excuse for why is weak and obvious they don’t want the backlash from fools who would call them out on it. Double think.

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8 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

Is there a chance that Biden and JT could face human rights tribunals after they are out of office for what could be seen as condoning these atrocities?

Doubtful. Did George W face the tribunal for war crimes in Iraq? 

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7 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

this vote is the literal the definition virtue signalling, it has no binding elements to it whatsoever. 

 

Principles... thats interesting. Singh e.g. lets his MPs rally to release Meng, while propping up the Conservatives in this charade.Thats politicking at its worst imo. He lets his MPs cave in and try to get Meng released, otoh plays these games to make it harder on our guys in jail :picard:

 

Trudeau and his cabinet let the Conservatives bash them on the head with this because they are the ones who are dealing with the reality of China and trying to get our two citizens home, which btw goes well beyond these two guys. The way that story plays out will effect the lives of every Canadian living and working in China. Its much bigger than some meaningless grandstanding.

 

All O'Toole did at best was a useless gesture for cheap points, at worst just doomed Kovrig and Spavor to years, maybe their lives, in jail. 

All politicians are slimy and gross and if you disagree you are likely a politician. 

 

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23 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

To use an example, HKers are more like South Koreans while mainlanders are more like North Koreans.  I think.  Except for the really rich mainlanders, who want to slather their bodies with a mixture of the most expensive most trendy junk without pausing to look and discern whether or not what they're wearing makes fashion sense of any kind - just to try to demonstrate just how &^@#ing rich they are.  :sadno:

Lol that's just a symptom of a bunch of new money for those who benefited from the rapid economic growth in China during the 90s-2000s. Some Koreans do the same thing, but not as much. 

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11 hours ago, Wayne Glensky said:

Maybe so, but there was a time, in Trudeaus own words, in a live interview... 

 

 

The future prime minister’s odd answer: “You know, there’s a level of admiration I actually have for China ….”

China? Why China?

“Because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green  fastest…we need to start investing in solar.'”

 

To me right there that is enough evidence to prove Trudeau isn’t about Canada first. 

Show me a single world leader that would not echo that sentiment and I will show you a liar

 

What world leader or governing body would not want to be able to say "stay home and inside everything is closed or else" and have the people listen without question to a person?  Trudeau only said exactly what everyone else is thinking while in power.  I wish people would just shut up and do what they're told.

 

Case in point, imagine the government saying don't travel stay home.  And people listened....

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On 2/22/2021 at 6:22 PM, janisahockeynut said:

So, here is my first statement

I have no problem with Muslim's

It is not my religion, but there are a lot of not my religion's out there

 

So, here is my question

 

Would you vote to allow Canada to let all Uighurs to immigrate to Canada?

I am not sure how many there are, but we have plenty of land and water

and alot more money than them, so I am sure, we could afford it,

with a little down turn in our economy, but we would rebound eventually

 

So would you vote yes?

 

Let's be honest here! 

 

Would I vote to throw the borders wide open and take all Uighurs or any other group of refugees in? No but certainly we should coordinate with other nations to do our part. However I would not turn away any that made it to our shores. Canada, until more recently, does not have a very proud history in this regard. The MS St. Louis and Komogata Maru are two very shameful examples.

 

So to answer your question I would vote a qualified yes.

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