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10 minutes ago, The King said:

8 million for 7 years  for an elite puck moving defenseman that will probably have a bump in play, playing with Hughes is not a bad contract. He's going to remain elite for most of that contract.

$8.25 mill.

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10 minutes ago, gurn said:

Former first round pick, leading scorer last year and people say, not a big trade.   Funny.

He's doing well here, but that alone doesn't make it a big trade. He was averaging <15mins/game the year before we traded for him. 

 

Schmidt was a similar trade (cap wise), who we got at a bigger discount cause of the cap crunch. Was that a big trade too? 

 

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13 minutes ago, The King said:

He's not declining

King, if Jimbo has a crystal ball and can guarantee me that OEL does not decline for 6 or 7 years, sure, lets look at it, but history does not look kindly in general to defensemen that are 34, 35 or 36, which is when that contract would look very huge.

 

Sure, I might like the first 4 years, but I sure wonder what would it look like in the back half with no escape mechanism. If you look at Eriksson's 6 million contract, and weigh what it prevented us from doing, how would $8.250 million look while trying to resign the likes of Horvat, Hughes and Pettersson.

 

I am a hard no.

 

Now if you do have a crystal ball and can promise me those latter years will be good, and we win a cup......hey, I am all for it!

 

And just for interest, can you explain to me, why Jim wants another  LHD?

 

 

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1 minute ago, 'NucK™ said:

He's doing well here, but that alone doesn't make it a big trade. Schmidt was a similar trade (cap wise), who we got at a bigger discount cause of the cap crunch. Was that a big trade too? 

 

Did we trade a first for Schmidt? No, well then not a big trade.

First for former first that ends up as the leading scorer, is a big trade.

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2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

King, if Jimbo has a crystal ball and guarantee me that OEL does not decline for 6 or 7 years, sure, lets look at it, but history does not look kindly in general to defensemen that are 34, 35 or 36, which is when that contract would look very huge.

 

Sure, I might like the first 4 years, but I sure wonder what would it look like in the back half with no escape mechanism. If you look at Eriksson's 6 million contract, and weigh what it prevented us from doing, how would $8.250 million look while trying to resign the likes of Horvat, Hughes and Pettersson.

 

I am a hard no.

 

Now if you do have a crystal ball and can promise me those latter years will be good, and we win a cup......hey, I am all for it!

 

And just for interest, can you explain to me, why Jim wants another  LHD?

OEL can play either side equally as effective. This move isn't this huge gamble that others replying are indicating, it gets rid of Eriksson, who we can all agree is useless, and solidifies our defense as being one of the top D cores in the league. It enhances our second PP as OEL would probably anchor it. We would spend literally no time in our end with Hughes and OEL running the top pair for 25 minutes per game.

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23 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

J.T. is like Gorilla Tape then?

I wouldn't say he's had the effect on the team you'd expect from a truly "big trade" 

 

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/stats/2019-2020

 

10 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

Schmidt was a similar trade (cap wise), who we got at a bigger discount cause of the cap crunch. Was that a big trade too? 

 

For a third round pick? Yes

 

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46 minutes ago, The King said:

I don't think people realize how close JB was to acquiring OEL, and I think ultimately JB will be successful in landing this very big piece to the Canucks being a contender. It's become evidently clear that the top teams in the league have three excellent defenders, and by acquiring OEL, JB might just have one of the top trios in the league. With guys like OJ (who looks fantastic and getting better with every shift and will be ready to replace Edler next season), and Rathbone ready to make the jump next year on the left side with Myers the Canucks might just have the best D corps in the league.

The OEL deal will happen prior to the deadline and will look something like this: 

OEL (8.25 x7= 57.75 mil)

for

ERIKSSON (6.0 x 2= 12.0 mil)

GAUDETTE (950k x 1)

Protected 1st- 2021 (Like Miller deal), but if Canucks retain their 1st this year, then Arizona receives an unprotected 1st next year and a 2nd this year.

 

 

If that was anywhere close to the truth, the team would be better than that right now.  If that was anywhere close to the truth, that would mean the Canucks already have a top 10 D corps in the league and OEL would push them at the top.  None of that is true, we are a below average and OEL alone doesn't bring you to the top.  While OEL is a good player, he his not worth his 8.25M$ and that contract will handcuffed the Canucks when they hit their prime.  Not to mention the asset required to acquire him.

 

With the acquisition of Nate Schmidt the OEL is dead IMO, unless JB can magically move Myers.

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I believe what could be a part of the problem is the age of VAN's best players. They're still really young, haven't even finished growing, still learning the NHL game and trying to get better. It took a player like MacKinnon, for example, 4-5 years of NHL experience to get where he's at, but he got there. I think the same could happen with Pettersson, but he's nowhere at that level yet. Neither is Boeser, Hoglander, Juolevi, Hughes and Rathbone, then Podkolzin. 

 

So, Benning has had to try and surround most of these great young players with veterans, in hopes to keep the team competitive while developing the youngens. I believe that once these young guys are ready to take that next step, then the Canucks will be contenders. It could still be 3-4 years, but at least by then all of the veterans will be gone and hopefully the GM (whoever that is) adds gritty playoff type players to the roster. 

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We could have Hedman on this team and we'd probably make him look like a fool giving up breakaways with this system.


Personel is not the issue. We have a former top-2 defenceman in Myers (but in all fairness, consistent top-4 guy), a former 2nd defenceman on 2 stacked teams in Schmidt, Edler who is still regarded as one of the best shutdown guys out there and certainly top-4 if not top-2 on most teams, Quinn Hughes who is leading the lead in defenceman scoring and then a bunch of good 3rd pairing D-men.

 

The players on this team is not the issue, it's trying to squeeze them into risky plays all the time, having a 2 man forecheck with a pinching defenceman that basically leads to a defenceman skating backwards and one forward trying to help slow down a rush every play against us. 

 

We put Hedman into that scenario and he's not going to be able to do much 3-on-1 or if he's caught up ice.

 

If JB is stupid enough to go after OEL, we will ruin his career. He's certainly still in his prime/towards the end of it, and bound to start declining which is not where you want that contract, but even with him, we're no better a team.

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26 minutes ago, The King said:

laughable article, 30 points in a Covid shortened season is just fine. not a downturn...

OK, we get your are OEL's agent trying to drum up support for one of the two destinations you client wants to go to... but really no.  Not unless they eat a decent chunk of that contract and take some money back for next season when we can't afford him and the raises to our own players that are due.

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17 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

We could have Hedman on this team and we'd probably make him look like a fool giving up breakaways with this system.


Personel is not the issue. We have a former top-2 defenceman in Myers (but in all fairness, consistent top-4 guy), a former 2nd defenceman on 2 stacked teams in Schmidt, Edler who is still regarded as one of the best shutdown guys out there and certainly top-4 if not top-2 on most teams, Quinn Hughes who is leading the lead in defenceman scoring and then a bunch of good 3rd pairing D-men.

 

The players on this team is not the issue, it's trying to squeeze them into risky plays all the time, having a 2 man forecheck with a pinching defenceman that basically leads to a defenceman skating backwards and one forward trying to help slow down a rush every play against us. 

 

We put Hedman into that scenario and he's not going to be able to do much 3-on-1 or if he's caught up ice.

 

If JB is stupid enough to go after OEL, we will ruin his career. He's certainly still in his prime/towards the end of it, and bound to start declining which is not where you want that contract, but even with him, we're no better a team.

Exactly. Remove the tumor that is Nolan Baumgartner and replace his uselessness with a more experienced and actually competent defensive strategist and the defense will perform much better.

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What I really want is a BIG stay at home Dman for Quinn

And I want Tryamkin signed and tried in that spot

I am probably wrong, but before going out and putting us in another cap bind

I want to try that........Tryamkin has very little offensive tenancies and will protect Quinn defensively

Now, if it is not Tryamkin, then someone in the same vain

 

As for our LHD

We have 3 young guys

Hughes, Juolevi and Rathbone

So, I want to see them all playing before throwing out the bathwater 

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