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19 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

What's the common denominator?

Schrodinger's GM.  He is simultaneously an experienced talented executive we need to retain but still 'raw' and 'new' enough that he still needs time to learn while in year 7 of his job.

 

It's not like Benning was put into a cryogenic, comatose state during the linden years.

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Very happy to see Clod get his walking papers.

Really like the Habs - but him behind the bench was hard to watch.

 

Trying to compare situations to the Canucks is - apples and oranges imo.

The Canucks have 15 players on the roster that are 25 and under (4 of their top 5 scorers, 3 of them 21,22,23 yrs old).

 

The Habs really are in a win now situation imo.

Many of their best players are largely their veterans.

Price 33

Weber 35

Petry 33

Chiarot 29

Guys like Gallagher, Toffoli, Edmundson, Danault - in their primes (28, 27 yrs old).

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That's their top 4 = 35, 33, 29, 27 yrs old - and their starter 33 yrs old.

Most of their top scorers are not youth (Suzuki the one exception among their top 8 scorers) = so not only is their blueline and goaltending a very veteran group, but their (primary) scoring also comes from veterans.

 

I think the way this season unfolded, veteran teams have an advantage - certainly out of the gate.   Not a fan of Clod - so I'm on board with firing him - losing 5 of 6 games may be an awfully short leash - but if the Habs believe Ducharme is a better coach - why wait - this is a group you want to give as good a chance as possible (even in the short run).

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1 hour ago, Coconuts said:

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Should post this at every GDT/PGT - going back to the start of JB tenure...some good - some bad... 

 

Since this is about the Habs .. Who's got the better GM?  Would anyone seriously rather have Bergervin?   LOL ... now there's a cat with 9 lives.   He was a good player and a good teamate - but like hiring the Joker to run the best franchise in NHL history.   And somehow survived since 2012.  

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5 hours ago, mpt said:

Our coach isn’t our problem.  Having 20 million of tied up salary cap in players not on the team is our problem.  Imagine Toffoli and Tanev still being here with leftover cap for Petey and Hughes.

 

Sounds like a GM issue. Instead of playing you guys, he overpaid for veteran 'leadership' only to watch it not happen. 

 

JB lucked out in Miller. 

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5 hours ago, Convincing John said:

It’s not going to turn the season around. These guys have seen enough change. Why put TG firing on their heads? Play out the season, and start fresh. The habs are still in it, they actually have something to lose.

 

Everyone acts like coaching systems are so complex and radically different around the league but they aren’t. The biggest difference from team to team are the players. I am personally tired of everyone blaming coaches and not holding players accountable. A lot of our losses can be attributed to turnovers and human error. How is that the coaches fault? You got veteran players like JT Miller throwing muffins cross ice leading to turnovers on a consistent basis. I don’t know what else you can do to remedy that. We don’t have the depth to scratch the guy. Do we need to put a headset in every players helmet so TG can tell them exactly what to do with the puck in real time?
 

Then you hear things like, “roll 4 lines” ok, are you really going to play Sutter as much as Horvat and expect to win? 

the Sedins lead the league in points playing the lowest number of Minutes of any top line in the league.

So, yes

 

Kesler and Burrows came into the league as defensive players and moved up the line up

This team is built from the top down

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1 hour ago, DSVII said:

 

This is correct,

The Canucks do not have the same ambition for this campaign

We dont have an ageing out core (Gallagher,Price, Weber) that has to win now.

The Habs spent a boatload in the off season, missing the playoffs would be catastrophic.

The Canucks are a team for tomorrow, they were not going to be SC contender this season, thats why they dont have the same ambition/urgency as the Habs this season.

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3 hours ago, snucks said:

Its too bad Canucks have now lost the chance to hire Burrows. Classy teams like to hire guys that gave their all to the team they played many years for. Burrows will be great for the Habs. If the now fired Montreal coach was hired by Vancouver, he would wreck Bennings mess even more.

He's an interm assistant. Would there be an issue with offering him a permanent gig? 

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2 hours ago, iceman64 said:

So we don't make the playoffs, big deal, you think where we are in the build, that we have any chance to win the cup this year? 

I’m answering his question lol. One team still has playoff aspirations and the other is waiting for the year to end. Or the roster is simply awful, pick your poison. 

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15 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

This is correct,

The Canucks do not have the same ambition for this campaign

We dont have an ageing out core (Gallagher,Price, Weber) that has to win now.

The Habs spent a boatload in the off season, missing the playoffs would be catastrophic.

The Canucks are a team for tomorrow, they were not going to be SC contender this season, thats why they dont have the same ambition/urgency as the Habs this season.

Horvats 26, Boeser just turned 24, Miller’s 28.

 

If the urgency isn’t there soon we’ll have a 1 year window to win and that’s it 

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2 hours ago, DSVII said:

 

really weak use of language on his part (at best) - or perhaps just intentional weak smarm material.

 

The Habs 'ambition' is to contend this season.

 

The Canucks are not near ready to. 

Their 'ambition' was to be competitive while integrating yet another wave of youth into an already young lineup.  Another rookie D, another rookie top 6, and a goaltender whose entering his 'rookie' starting opportunity.

 

"organizationally' is a horrible way of attempting to finesse it, as if it's otherwise a 'logical equivalency'.

 

 

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3 hours ago, snucks said:

Its too bad Canucks have now lost the chance to hire Burrows. Classy teams like to hire guys that gave their all to the team they played many years for. Burrows will be great for the Habs. If the now fired Montreal coach was hired by Vancouver, he would wreck Bennings mess even more.

Why should the Canucks hire Burrows? Because he used to be a Canuck? Classy teams hire former players, regardless of whether they fit the mold that the team is going for? Hiring Burrows wouldn't make sense for this team. The last thing the Canucks need is another first time NHL head coach seeing as how it's worked so far.

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1 hour ago, oldnews said:

Very happy to see Clod get his walking papers.

Really like the Habs - but him behind the bench was hard to watch.

 

Trying to compare situations to the Canucks is - apples and oranges imo.

The Canucks have 15 players on the roster that are 25 and under (4 of their top 5 scorers, 3 of them 21,22,23 yrs old).

 

The Habs really are in a win now situation imo.

Many of their best players are largely their veterans.

Price 33

Weber 35

Petry 33

Chiarot 29

Guys like Gallagher, Toffoli, Edmundson, Danault - in their primes (28, 27 yrs old).

Tatar 30

 

That's their top 4 = 35, 33, 29, 27 yrs old - and their starter 33 yrs old.

Most of their top scorers are not youth (Suzuki the one exception among their top 8 scorers) = so not only is their blueline and goaltending a very veteran group, but their (primary) scoring also comes from veterans.

 

I think the way this season unfolded, veteran teams have an advantage - certainly out of the gate.   Not a fan of Clod - so I'm on board with firing him - losing 5 of 6 games may be an awfully short leash - but if the Habs believe Ducharme is a better coach - why wait - this is a group you want to give as good a chance as possible (even in the short run).

Cool do the leafs now 

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