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[proposal] Canucks and Bruins - end of season: Miller and Schmidt for Carlo and Debrusk

Patel Bure

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[proposal] Canucks and Bruins - end of season:  Miller and Schmidt for Carlo and Debrusk

 

Next season:

 

Debrusk-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Roussel-#####-Virtanen (I still think a good third line center will be key for us.  A good two way defensive center with enough offensive ability to bring out the best in his linemates.   I would actually keep Virtanen here for this reason alone.   New coach + post Covid world + new center = clean slate for JV).

Motte-Beagle-MacEwen
 

Gaudette (replaces Beagle as the teams’ 4th line center a year later)

 

Hughes-Carlo

Tryamkin-#### (My hope is we can sign someone like Adam Larsson)

Juolevi-Myers

 

Chatfield

 

Demko

Holtby

 

The Canucks get a simultaneous Edler and Tanev replacement in Carlo (I.e. a top pairing all situations dman that can help Hughes on the defensive side things and log big minutes).   The Bruins get a solid PMD that can play alongside McAvoy.   They will also get a motivated J.T Miller since the B’s are a contender.

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9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Benning runs to the airport if this deal is offered to him.  Boston on the other hand hangs up the phone.  You don't trade a Brandon Carlo.  That is every coaches wet dream to have him on your team.  To get Carlo you need to give up Boeser or Horvat.

Fair enough.   You’re probably right by the way.     My only line of thinking was that the Bruins already have Charlie Mac back there and so maybe they’d be interested in a good PMD?  (like Schmidt?)

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2 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

Fair enough.   You’re probably right by the way.     My only line of thinking was that the Bruins already have Charlie Mac back there and so maybe they’d be interested in a good PMD?  (like Schmidt?)

Charlie is a PMD and he's much better than Schmidt.  Charlie, Carlo and Pastrnak are probably the only 3 untouchables on the Bruins right now...

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4 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

Miller > Debrusk

Schmidt > Carlo

 

earlier this year we were talking about a Jake V for Jake D trade.  Why would we trade Miller for Debrusk?

Agree with you that Miller > Debrusk but I’m not so sure about Schmidt > Carlo.   I’m of the opinion that not only is Carlo better, but would also serve a much bigger need for us as he’d essentially be the “Brent Seabrook” to Hughes’ Duncan Keith (ie the defensive conscience for Hughes).  

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I question why the Bruins would trade a young legit D like Carlo, though I could see them having interest in a Miller type player. Carlo's also an RFA at the end of the season and I'm not sure how to accurately gauge what he'll be due for. He doesn't put up much in the way of offense, where Schmidt has a better track record, but he's a young RD. 

 

I think at this junction we're probably better off keeping Schmidt and betting on better coaching staff getting more out of him, he only cost us a third. Debrusk is interesting but I question what his production would look like in Vancouver, whereas we already know Miller can produce here. Debrusk has youth on Miller, and maybe upside, but I dunno? 

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Debrusk is also a piece they could tap to be part of their next core, as Boston's top players aside from Pasta are getting up there. Krejci will be 35 in a few months, Bergeron will be 36 in July, Marchand will be 33 in a few months. 

 

You'd think they've gotta eye Carlo, Pasta, Debrusk, and McAvoy as their next core. I'm not familiar with what Boston's got in their system in the way of prospects but their contention window looks to be closing. 

 

Miller's a piece they'd add to contend, so you might be on the right track there with them maybe having interest. Dunno what they'd be willing to send back though. 

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You seem to like putting proposals together, so I'll toss you this idea. What do you think Boston would give up for a young center like Gaudette? He'd be a hometown guy, and their NHL roster appears to have a lack of young centers. We've questioned his fit as a center here, but maybe they'd think otherwise?

 

They've got some younger centers in their system but I'm not familiar with them. 

 

Between Jake and Adam I think I'd keep Adam as I think he's got higher upside, but if Boston was willing to pay a decent price..

 

The flip side of this question is we don't exactly have a ton of prospect depth at center ourselves, to the point where prospects like Lind and Jasek have been playing center. 

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9 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

You seem to like putting proposals together, so I'll toss you this idea. What do you think Boston would give up for a young center like Gaudette? He'd be a hometown guy, and their NHL roster appears to have a lack of young centers. We've questioned his fit as a center here, but maybe they'd think otherwise?

 

They've got some younger centers in their system but I'm not familiar with them. 

 

Between Jake and Adam I think I'd keep Adam as I think he's got higher upside, but if Boston was willing to pay a decent price..

 

The flip side of this question is we don't exactly have a ton of prospect depth at center ourselves, to the point where prospects like Lind and Jasek have been playing center. 

The problem with Gaudette is teams may not see him as a future centre.  He'd have to play in your top 6 to have maximum effect.  He's not a 3C.  Boston is ageing up the middle, so if they think he can be a 2C then I can see a potential for a deal.  Charlie Mac, Carlo and Pasta are their future, so they are untouchable.  But I think one of their younger Dmen could be a possibility.  Debrusk as well if we add to the deal.

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2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The problem with Gaudette is teams may not see him as a future centre.  He'd have to play in your top 6 to have maximum effect.  He's not a 3C.  Boston is ageing up the middle, so if they think he can be a 2C then I can see a potential for a deal.  Charlie Mac, Carlo and Pasta are their future, so they are untouchable.  But I think one of their younger Dmen could be a possibility.  Debrusk as well if we add to the deal.

Yeah, it's a valid problem. It's why we have him playing wing, he's not going to displace Sutter for Sutter's role. And he's not displacing Bo or Petey, or even Miller as a center. Boston would have to few him as a potential top 6 center in order for the Gaudette to Boston thing to have any legs. But he produced last season, and he's been rather snakebitten this season, you never know.

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2 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Yeah, it's a valid problem. It's why we have him playing wing, he's not going to displace Sutter for Sutter's role. And he's not displacing Bo or Petey, or even Miller as a center. Boston would have to few him as a potential top 6 center in order for the Gaudette to Boston thing to have any legs. But he produced last season, and he's been rather snakebitten this season, you never know.

Both Gaudette and Virtanen could break out with another team.  I can actually see then both having success in Boston.  If there was a way to package both of them and add to the deal to get Carlo I think Benning would be all over that.  Rathbone is lighting it up right now, so they may look at him as well.  He could be their future Torey Krug.  Gaudette and Rathbone would probably jump at the chance to go to Boston for sure.  And Virtanen could resurrect his career.

 

Rathbone, Gaudette and Virtanen for Carlo and a pick?  I'd do that deal.

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16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Gaudette and Virtanen could break out with another team.  I can actually see then both having success in Boston.  If there was a way to package both of them and add to the deal to get Carlo I think Benning would be all over that.  Rathbone is lighting it up right now, so they may look at him as well.  He could be their future Torey Krug.  Gaudette and Rathbone would probably jump at the chance to go to Boston for sure.  And Virtanen could resurrect his career.

 

Rathbone, Gaudette and Virtanen for Carlo and a pick?  I'd do that deal.

I could see them both doing well there as well tbh, could see them both doing better playing primarily in the east where the game is different. Jake and Gaudette together make almost the exact cap Carlo's making on his own. I'm hesitant when it comes to Rathbone though, as I don't think Hughes makes him redundant. The modern game requires you have multiple puck moving D to be successful, and Rathbone looks to be one of those. I'd sooner add a pick than part with Rathbone, though I could see Boston asking for him specifically.  

 

One could argue that acquiring Carlo is worth the cost, but with Petey and Hughes about to get bigger deals it'll be important to be able to keep our D costs down. A left side of Hughes, Juolevi, and potentially Rathbone sounds pretty good to me going forward. Hughes is an NHL lock, Juolevi's really upped his stock this season and looks to be a regular, but outside of that we don't have much in the way of quality young LD. I think I'd look elsewhere if Boston wanted Rathbone, regardless of how good Carlo might be. 

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