Bad Reffing Thread (Including Tim Peel Firing)

[Dazzle]

WSH/Boston game

Frederic commits interference and roughing on the same play. No calls to both. What the &^@#?
 

 

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

WSH/Boston game

Frederic commits interference and roughing in the same play. No calls to both. What the &^@#?
 

 

Washington Capitals at Boston Bruins
7:00 PM EST

REFEREES
	Dean Morton #36			Pierre Lambert #37

Let's track to see if the same offenders repeatedly come up in this thread.

[Shirotashi]

Honestly the officiating in the NHL is the worst in all pro sports. I cannot remember the game but a 

few weeks ago a penalty was called and a quick goal was scored, the penalty was reviewed and 

found not to be a penalty but the goal was not reversed. LOL! 

 

I want to see MLB levels of accountability, you can literally watch call by call on pitches to 

see if the ump is in the right. IDK why but its almost considered taboo to do the same to NHL refs. 

They should be fined when they make calls that cost a team a game. 

 

I mean look at Hoglander getting 2 hand checked to the ribs 3 times!!! No calls by the refs! YOU 

HAVE 1 JOB!!! Ugh I could go on and on. 

 

They lack the ability to be impartial as well big emotional games they will make absurd calls 

based on the emotions in the game/building. We need to replace them with drones.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Shirotashi

[IBatch]

The reffing is bad because they call too much too often.   That's it.   So when they let things go whomever is on the wrong side of it feels like we got screwed.   Burke made a point of showing a dozen or so ridiculously peewee like calls a few weeks ago (anyone watch that during the game?), was calling the refs out.    Hate games like that - just becomes a back and forth of special teams with weak make up calls and ruins the flow of the game and just gives the game to better special teams.   

 

Playoff hockey is better for so many reasons, one of which for sure there are two different standards - and i for one hope that never goes away or the playoffs will be forever ruined.   Little hooks, tiny slashes (taps to the stick or hands) are part of the game and not a penalty.   Well i guess "technically" they are but good grief.   Don't get me started about hits.   Finishing a check is NOT a hit.   But is counted today anyways.   Not all hits are created equal either.   

 

Right now the NHL is trending towards smaller skilled players ... that's ok.   Our team draws more penalties then any team pretty much.   10 and especially 20 years plus ago we wouldn't be getting those power plays because EP or QHs gets bumped and falls to the ice.    The way the regular season was called back then, is like the playoffs now.    I'm fine with removing the redline from the game - it killed the trap all by itself.   The way Myers plays now - 10-20 years ago he'd get 1/4 of the penalties he takes.    Little hooks, pushes, shoves (oh no that's roughing lol) cross-checks and holds (Babych would get 200 PIMs in holding, his go to move was one glove hand hold and most refs let it go ... why?  because if your that strong and still active with your feet and stick while the other guy is acting like a kitten in a bag with a ball of yarn trying to get away - well too bad for him lol) should be allowed.    The reffing is bad today - really bad but not because they let stuff go - that's good reffing - the little stuff should always be allowed.    Days are gone when Bryan Macabe could can opener guys and get away with it which is fine.   Burke said it right.   If anyone's watched a lot of women's hockey - that's the NHL trend right now.   It's exciting skilled stuff.   But it's not how the league should be reffing the NHL either.   Let the little stuff go, call the interference properly.   The pendulum has gone way way too far the other way...

[-DLC-]

Someone had a picture of a two hander on JT (?).   The past couple of games vs Winnipeg were pretty inconsistent.  Not calling that slash after a softie "near" the hands is quite glaring.

 

People who complain about the reffing aren't necessarily equating it to = we lost because.   It's just that it can change momentum and also take the focus off for the team NOT getting the calls that are mauled out there.  Damned if they do/don't.  Hogs is starting to get some of the attention that Petey and Quinn got/get.  They all have had to contend with more than they should have to.  At least in comparison to what is called for a McDavid or those anoited players who are "off limits" to some degree.

[Ghostsof1915]

Anyone else think the reffing was better with one referee? I do. Bad enough when one guy misses a call, but when both miss it? Isn't the point of two refs is to catch what the one ref would miss? 

[BoKnows]

8 hours ago, Shirotashi said:

Honestly the officiating in the NHL is the worst in all pro sports. I cannot remember the game but a 

few weeks ago a penalty was called and a quick goal was scored, the penalty was reviewed and 

found not to be a penalty but the goal was not reversed. LOL! 

 

I want to see MLB levels of accountability, you can literally watch call by call on pitches to 

see if the ump is in the right. IDK why but its almost considered taboo to do the same to NHL refs. 

They should be fined when they make calls that cost a team a game. 

 

I mean look at Hoglander getting 2 hand checked to the ribs 3 times!!! No calls by the refs! YOU 

HAVE 1 JOB!!! Ugh I could go on and on. 

 

They lack the ability to be impartial as well big emotional games they will make absurd calls 

based on the emotions in the game/building. We need to replace them with drones.

The NBA and NFL man.

 

 

Play starts at 1:16.  I'm a Rams fan this non-call is the how we got a chance to tie the game, and win in OT sending us to the SuperBowl.  This was a SEASON altering non-call.

[PhillipBlunt]

The officiating in the NHL is the worst in professional sports. There is zero accountability whatsoever. There's no review board that holds these stains accountable for their poor decisions or their bias. Therefore these clowns will continue to officiate poorly and have far too great an impact on the outcome of games, as well as the safety of players. The absurd level of inconsistency that's on nightly display around the league must confuse the hell out of the average NHLer.

 

[Squamfan]

10 hours ago, Dazzle said:

WSH/Boston game

Frederic commits interference and roughing on the same play. No calls to both. What the &^@#?
 

 

Hmm Bettman still getting on his knees for Jacobs

[Dazzle]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

The reffing is bad because they call too much too often.   That's it.   So when they let things go whomever is on the wrong side of it feels like we got screwed.   Burke made a point of showing a dozen or so ridiculously peewee like calls a few weeks ago (anyone watch that during the game?), was calling the refs out.    Hate games like that - just becomes a back and forth of special teams with weak make up calls and ruins the flow of the game and just gives the game to better special teams.   

 

Playoff hockey is better for so many reasons, one of which for sure there are two different standards - and i for one hope that never goes away or the playoffs will be forever ruined.   Little hooks, tiny slashes (taps to the stick or hands) are part of the game and not a penalty.   Well i guess "technically" they are but good grief.   Don't get me started about hits.   Finishing a check is NOT a hit.   But is counted today anyways.   Not all hits are created equal either.   

 

Right now the NHL is trending towards smaller skilled players ... that's ok.   Our team draws more penalties then any team pretty much.   10 and especially 20 years plus ago we wouldn't be getting those power plays because EP or QHs gets bumped and falls to the ice.    The way the regular season was called back then, is like the playoffs now.    I'm fine with removing the redline from the game - it killed the trap all by itself.   The way Myers plays now - 10-20 years ago he'd get 1/4 of the penalties he takes.    Little hooks, pushes, shoves (oh no that's roughing lol) cross-checks and holds (Babych would get 200 PIMs in holding, his go to move was one glove hand hold and most refs let it go ... why?  because if your that strong and still active with your feet and stick while the other guy is acting like a kitten in a bag with a ball of yarn trying to get away - well too bad for him lol) should be allowed.    The reffing is bad today - really bad but not because they let stuff go - that's good reffing - the little stuff should always be allowed.    Days are gone when Bryan Macabe could can opener guys and get away with it which is fine.   Burke said it right.   If anyone's watched a lot of women's hockey - that's the NHL trend right now.   It's exciting skilled stuff.   But it's not how the league should be reffing the NHL either.   Let the little stuff go, call the interference properly.   The pendulum has gone way way too far the other way...

So you're saying gloves off, stick off - not roughing?

 

Knocking a player down without the puck is not interference?

 

Tripping a guy is not a penalty? Aka can opener.

 

Hooking/holding to slow someone down is not a penalty?

 

What's the point of having refs by your standard? Just let the players commit the most grievous penalties?

 

 

[Dazzle]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

Someone had a picture of a two hander on JT (?).   The past couple of games vs Winnipeg were pretty inconsistent.  Not calling that slash after a softie "near" the hands is quite glaring.

 

People who complain about the reffing aren't necessarily equating it to = we lost because.   It's just that it can change momentum and also take the focus off for the team NOT getting the calls that are mauled out there.  Damned if they do/don't.  Hogs is starting to get some of the attention that Petey and Quinn got/get.  They all have had to contend with more than they should have to.  At least in comparison to what is called for a McDavid or those anoited players who are "off limits" to some degree.

Ovechkin isn't off limits apparently. Haha.

[oldnews]

There's always new material..... for me that ridiculous 'interference' penalty on Myers last game (he's getting a ludicrous amount of soft calls) - minutes after Shorty commented that the officials were calling nothing in the series - that it would take something extreme to draw a penalty call out of them.

 

Simple as: Joannette sucks.  

 

As do a whole range of his peers.

 

The NHL has weak standards.  This is the league that gave Colin Campbell (ie Marc Savard is a "little fake artist") the reins...who ran interference attempting influence director of officiating Stephen Walkom after Campbell's son took a penaly he didn't like.... The NHL defended Campbell....

 

You could make a living in this thread - but I'm afraid if it grows to appropriate length it would crash CDC by virtue of how long it would take to load....would wind up eclipsing the Luongo-trade-thread....

[Dazzle]

24 minutes ago, oldnews said:

There's always new material..... for me that ridiculous 'interference' penalty on Myers last game (he's getting a ludicrous amount of soft calls) - minutes after Shorty commented that the officials were calling nothing in the series - that it would take something extreme to draw a penalty call out of them.

 

Simple as: Joannette sucks.  

 

As do a whole range of his peers.

 

The NHL has weak standards.  This is the league that gave Colin Campbell (ie Marc Savard is a "little fake artist") the reins...who ran interference attempting influence director of officiating Stephen Walkom after Campbell's son took a penaly he didn't like.... The NHL defended Campbell....

 

You could make a living in this thread - but I'm afraid if it grows to appropriate length it would crash CDC by virtue of how long it would take to load....would wind up eclipsing the Luongo-trade-thread....

I don't understand how he could've avoided committing "interference" in that situation, simply by trying to stay onside. Meanwhile that trip on Hughes was uncalled. Garbage reffing.

[PhillipBlunt]

3 hours ago, Dazzle said:

So you're saying gloves off, stick off - not roughing?

 

Knocking a player down without the puck is not interference?

 

Tripping a guy is not a penalty? Aka can opener.

 

Hooking/holding to slow someone down is not a penalty?

 

What's the point of having refs by your standard? Just let the players commit the most grievous penalties?

 

 

Exactly. It's pretty simple. If the rules say that something is a penalty, call it. If the penalties slow the play down, then the players should (and probably will) learn to play within the rules.

 

This is especially important when a player's infraction ends up in causing an injury to another player. Failure to penalize such actions normalizes them, and leads to players being injured on avoidable infractions. Couple the officials complete lack of competency and consistency with the Department of Player Safety's equally pathetic lack of competency and consistency and the lines of what is and what isn't acceptable become very vague.

[Hairy Kneel]

All those broken sticks last game, but we didn't get any of those calls?

[stawns]

aka the "never officiated an actual game in my life thread"

[King Heffy]

4 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Anyone else think the reffing was better with one referee? I do. Bad enough when one guy misses a call, but when both miss it? Isn't the point of two refs is to catch what the one ref would miss? 

Adding in a second referee effectively promoted all AHL refs to the NHL, and trickled down from there.  There simply aren't enough refs qualified to implement the 2 ref system properly, especially if we expect the league to actually start holding problem officials accountable.  Better one qualified guy than employing scum like Meier, Sutherland, and Peel.

 

4 hours ago, BoKnows said:

The NBA and NFL man.

 

 

Play starts at 1:16.  I'm a Rams fan this non-call is the how we got a chance to tie the game, and win in OT sending us to the SuperBowl.  This was a SEASON altering non-call.

Difference is the NFL realized it was a problem and changed the rules.  The NHL allowed Sutherland to openly rig games in the Vancouver-San Jose series, despite evidence beforehand that he was incapable of conducting himself like a professional.  Bettman responded by going on record and saying that he had no issue with Sutherland's repeated lack of respect for the integrity of the sport, and there was no issue with the way the series was being officiated.  The other leagues own their mistakes and don't reward corrupt officials with playoff games involving teams where there have been a series of incidents.

[Roger Neilsons Towel]

24 minutes ago, stawns said:

aka the "never officiated an actual game in my life thread"

Nobody can have an opinion on anything they haven’t personally done. Got it. 
 

Time to close all the political threads. 

[-DLC-]

30 minutes ago, stawns said:

aka the "never officiated an actual game in my life thread"

Means nothing.

 

NHL refs are the top tier hockey officials and get paid handsomely to be "the best".  Not the worst.  We're not talking the occasional oversight...it's glaring at times.

 

I hate this argument.  I don't have to have experience flying a helicopter to see one crash.

 

Most here don't have experience reffing NHL games.  Probably no one.

[King Heffy]

29 minutes ago, stawns said:

aka the "never officiated an actual game in my life thread"

If my brother goes in for a vasectomy and the surgery results in me getting a new sister instead, am I not able to criticize the quality of surgery because I'm not a doctor?