billabong Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) picking up some picks to either restock the cupboards with prospects or to turn around and use to pick up some nhl ready talent in the off season maybe poach a team like Colorado who is gonna lose a good player to Seattle for nothing to col: 2nd round pick to van: graves hughes-schmidt graves-myers juolevi-xxxxx solid, defensive dman who can munch up minutes https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2271319 CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster FORWARDS (14) Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($950,000) - Jake Virtanen ($2,550,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($800,000) Centre: Elias Pettersson ($925,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Kyle Turris ($1,650,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000) Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Antoine Roussel ($3,000,000) - Marc Michaelis ($700,000) DEFENSE (7) Right: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000) - Jalen Chatfield ($700,000) - Brogan Rafferty ($700,000) Left: Quinn Hughes ($916,667) - Olli Juolevi ($863,333) - Ashton Sautner ($700,000) GOALTENDER (2) Braden Holtby ($4,300,000) - Thatcher Demko ($1,050,000) AHL BURIED (1) Sven Baertschi ($2,291,666) BUYOUTS (1) Ryan Spooner ($1,033,333) DETAILS Roster Size: 23 Salary Cap: $81,500,000 Bonus Overages: $1,700,000 Cap Hit: $67,306,878 Cap Space: $14,193,122 Edited March 11, 2021 by billabong 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) Thread title" Blow it up" Proposal: a 2nd pick out for whoever in. conclusion: Massive oversell with the title Drats, missed the edit. Pearson and sutter out, ok. Edler and Hamonic both have NMC so why even mention them.? Edler has declined to be moved in the past so a massive long shot to go anywhere. Hamonic chose the Canucks as the best match of for his family's needs. I'd say he is more unlikely to move than Edler Edited March 11, 2021 by gurn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 That doesnt seem like a trade deadline move for a team that’s competing. If they’re moving someone because of Seattle it’ll be in the offseason prior to the expansion draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, gurn said: Thread title" Blow it up" Proposal: a 2nd pick out for whoever in. conclusion: Massive oversell with the title Drats, missed the edit. Pearson and sutter out, ok. Edler and Hamonic both have NMC so why even mention them.? Edler has declined to be moved in the past so a massive long shot to go anywhere. Hamonic chose the Canucks as the best match of for his family's needs. I'd say he is more unlikely to move than Edler its been reported edler will consider a trade this go around and they both have ties to the city of WPG so if they waive at all I see WPG as an option 10 minutes ago, qwijibo said: That doesnt seem like a trade deadline move for a team that’s competing. If they’re moving someone because of Seattle it’ll be in the offseason prior to the expansion draft ya I meant that trade is done in the off season after we acquire the picks at the deadline. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, billabong said: picking up some picks to either restock the cupboards with prospects or to turn around and use to pick up some nhl ready talent in the off season maybe poach a team like Colorado who is gonna lose a good player to Seattle for nothing to col: 2nd round pick to van: graves hughes-schmidt graves-myers juolevi-xxxxx solid, defensive dman who can munch up minutes https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2271319 CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster FORWARDS (14) Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($950,000) - Jake Virtanen ($2,550,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($800,000) Centre: Elias Pettersson ($925,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Kyle Turris ($1,650,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000) Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Antoine Roussel ($3,000,000) - Marc Michaelis ($700,000) DEFENSE (7) Right: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000) - Jalen Chatfield ($700,000) - Brogan Rafferty ($700,000) Left: Quinn Hughes ($916,667) - Olli Juolevi ($863,333) - Ashton Sautner ($700,000) GOALTENDER (2) Braden Holtby ($4,300,000) - Thatcher Demko ($1,050,000) AHL BURIED (1) Sven Baertschi ($2,291,666) BUYOUTS (1) Ryan Spooner ($1,033,333) DETAILS Roster Size: 23 Salary Cap: $81,500,000 Bonus Overages: $1,700,000 Cap Hit: $67,306,878 Cap Space: $14,193,122 Love the idea of getting Graves. He's a great young defenseman who'd fit well. Only thing is Baumgartner would have to be fired in order to not ruin him. I'd add Chatfield in a trade. Tryamkin is coming back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, gurn said: Thread title" Blow it up" Proposal: a 2nd pick out for whoever in. conclusion: Massive oversell with the title Drats, missed the edit. Pearson and sutter out, ok. Edler and Hamonic both have NMC so why even mention them.? Edler has declined to be moved in the past so a massive long shot to go anywhere. Hamonic chose the Canucks as the best match of for his family's needs. I'd say he is more unlikely to move than Edler My thoughts exactly. And you're right, Edler isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, billabong said: its been reported edler will consider a trade this go around First I've heard of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Graves leds the team in SH minutes. Makar and him make up one of the best young defensive duos in the NHL. It’s more likely that they’re going to protect him over Toews, since Colorado is already deep on the right-side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, billabong said: picking up some picks to either restock the cupboards with prospects or to turn around and use to pick up some nhl ready talent in the off season maybe poach a team like Colorado who is gonna lose a good player to Seattle for nothing to col: 2nd round pick to van: graves hughes-schmidt graves-myers juolevi-xxxxx solid, defensive dman who can munch up minutes https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2271319 CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster FORWARDS (14) Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($950,000) - Jake Virtanen ($2,550,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($800,000) Centre: Elias Pettersson ($925,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Kyle Turris ($1,650,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000) Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Antoine Roussel ($3,000,000) - Marc Michaelis ($700,000) DEFENSE (7) Right: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000) - Jalen Chatfield ($700,000) - Brogan Rafferty ($700,000) Left: Quinn Hughes ($916,667) - Olli Juolevi ($863,333) - Ashton Sautner ($700,000) GOALTENDER (2) Braden Holtby ($4,300,000) - Thatcher Demko ($1,050,000) AHL BURIED (1) Sven Baertschi ($2,291,666) BUYOUTS (1) Ryan Spooner ($1,033,333) DETAILS Roster Size: 23 Salary Cap: $81,500,000 Bonus Overages: $1,700,000 Cap Hit: $67,306,878 Cap Space: $14,193,122 Okay, although I agree that if we continue to trend outside the playoffs, that we should try and gain back some assets from expiring contracts, your proposal doesn't add up on a number of fronts. Why would Arizona want Pearson for a pick? They are short on quality prospects already, due to getting slapped by the NHL etc. They are not a contender for the cup, they will likely be in sell mode as well. Kyle Turris, does nothing for us, there will be better options out there, or we can continue to develop from within. If we are going to move Sutter, I'd rather just get as high a pick as possible. I'd also be open to resigning Sutter at the right rate, he's playing a lot better this season as he seems to be clear of injury issues for the moment and has been an effective penalty killer for us. Hamonic has a full No Movement Clause and probably didn't ask for that, just so he could be moved at the deadline. Its "possible" but highly doubt it. Edler has stated a number of times, he's not going anywhere, especially during a pandemic. Benn, completely open to moving him, he's been solid this year, much better than last season. He seems to have finally settled in. Keep trying, but also research what teams really need and what players have in terms of protection from moving and how realistic it is that they would waive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 52 minutes ago, gurn said: First I've heard of this. Friedman talked about it on am650 last week. If it has any legs it’ll be out there more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Okay, although I agree that if we continue to trend outside the playoffs, that we should try and gain back some assets from expiring contracts, your proposal doesn't add up on a number of fronts. Why would Arizona want Pearson for a pick? They are short on quality prospects already, due to getting slapped by the NHL etc. They are not a contender for the cup, they will likely be in sell mode as well. Kyle Turris, does nothing for us, there will be better options out there, or we can continue to develop from within. If we are going to move Sutter, I'd rather just get as high a pick as possible. I'd also be open to resigning Sutter at the right rate, he's playing a lot better this season as he seems to be clear of injury issues for the moment and has been an effective penalty killer for us. Hamonic has a full No Movement Clause and probably didn't ask for that, just so he could be moved at the deadline. Its "possible" but highly doubt it. Edler has stated a number of times, he's not going anywhere, especially during a pandemic. Benn, completely open to moving him, he's been solid this year, much better than last season. He seems to have finally settled in. Keep trying, but also research what teams really need and what players have in terms of protection from moving and how realistic it is that they would waive. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-will-2021-nhl-entry-draft-take-place/ check it for Pearson Couldn’t care less about turris. Just trying to make the money work and hope he can play better in his hometown Edler and hamonic hold the cards with NMC but I could see them interested in wpg, if they wanna win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 5 hours ago, billabong said: picking up some picks to either restock the cupboards with prospects or to turn around and use to pick up some nhl ready talent in the off season maybe poach a team like Colorado who is gonna lose a good player to Seattle for nothing to col: 2nd round pick to van: graves hughes-schmidt graves-myers juolevi-xxxxx solid, defensive dman who can munch up minutes https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2271319 Love the idea of jettisoning expiring contracts for picks. But there are too many unrealistic assumptions here... - Edler & Hamonic both have NMCs - Sutter and Benn both have mNTCs - Winnipeg and Calgary don't have the cap space for these deals Lastly, this thing about getting a player cheap that a team like Colorado will "lose anyway". Not going to happen. No team is going to sell their 10th best player for cheap just to lose their 11th best player to Seattle instead. And Graves is not a good example of someone at risk, because there's no way they don't protect him in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 hours ago, shiznak said: Graves leds the team in SH minutes. Makar and him make up one of the best young defensive duos in the NHL. It’s more likely that they’re going to protect him over Toews, since Colorado is already deep on the right-side. Sakic knew expansion was coming when he gave up 2 x 2nds to get Toews. Probably has a plan to keep his D-corps intact. They’ve apparently been looking to trade Johnson last year. If he agrees to waive his NMC they can protect 4 Ds - Makar, Graves, Girard, Toews. They could also decide to buy him out for a 2M cap hit or maybe even protect 5 Ds. Timmins and Byram are exempt. Up front Landeskog is UFA and other than MacKinnon, Rantanen and maybe Kadri, not sure they are that worried about losing anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Maybe the OP didn't make a lot of trade suggestions - but for sure the idea of "blowing it up" is valid. Easy guys on the block this year for sure, remember we can retain on three players to make it a lot easier for potential acquisitions from playoff teams: Low hanging fruit: Pearson Sutter Maybes: JV AG McEwen Probably nots: Everyone else - but you just never do know. Blowing it up should include anyone really. Even EP and QHs. No way i'd suggest that .... remember all the BB trade threads last year? LOL where'd they go Stawns? Quite a few fans gave up on him and really should be eating a gigantic plate of crow pie right now. BB plus plus for .... tiny little MIN often injured Dumba. Ugh. Myers is outplaying him this year. And we got him for free (ok cap space - but 100% worth it). Back to the OP again. JB said he wants to keep Pearson. That's ok depending on the cap hit of course. 3.5 x 3 i guess would be ok. But i'd still rent him out - for sure he's worth a second and a B/C level prospect. Coleman got a first last year (well basically a early second lol).... Sutter is also worth a second with 50% retained. Easy deal. I also think Sutter is worth re-signing to eventually take over Beagles spot. We suck in our bottom six center depth and will for sure have to go to free agency to fix it. Might as well go with the devil you know and Sutter is one of the few (Motte is the other) who's getting the job done both D wise and goal wise. Still we could rent him and re-sign... tell him exactly that same with Pearson they'd get it for sure, both are pro vets. JV AG and McEwen are also worth considering depending on future plans. All three would get something back. McEwen's stock goes up because he can fight and hit and muck it up - playoff value is higher then regular season value for sure. JV and AG are more about our future plans then anything else. I don't want to trade either of them - but also don't know what JB is planning either. Id do Pearson and maybe Sutter. That's it. Not exactly "blowing it up". But it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 15 hours ago, gurn said: First I've heard of this. I'd like to see that report (Edler would waive and allow a trade etc). My money it's nothing but some bloggers supposition and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, BigTramFan said: Love the idea of jettisoning expiring contracts for picks. But there are too many unrealistic assumptions here... - Edler & Hamonic both have NMCs - Sutter and Benn both have mNTCs - Winnipeg and Calgary don't have the cap space for these deals Lastly, this thing about getting a player cheap that a team like Colorado will "lose anyway". Not going to happen. No team is going to sell their 10th best player for cheap just to lose their 11th best player to Seattle instead. And Graves is not a good example of someone at risk, because there's no way they don't protect him in the first place. With retention and some minor moves Pearson and Sutter at 50% retained will work for a lot of playoff teams - especially if they have injured players which is often the case (and once the playoffs start cap doesn't matter anymore)... Edited March 12, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Doesn't look like much "blowing up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 19 hours ago, billabong said: picking up some picks to either restock the cupboards with prospects or to turn around and use to pick up some nhl ready talent in the off season maybe poach a team like Colorado who is gonna lose a good player to Seattle for nothing to col: 2nd round pick to van: graves hughes-schmidt graves-myers juolevi-xxxxx solid, defensive dman who can munch up minutes https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2271319 CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster FORWARDS (14) Right wing: Brock Boeser ($5,875,000) - Adam Gaudette ($950,000) - Jake Virtanen ($2,550,000) - Zack MacEwen ($825,000) - Jayce Hawryluk ($800,000) Centre: Elias Pettersson ($925,000) - Bo Horvat ($5,500,000) - Kyle Turris ($1,650,000) - Jay Beagle ($3,000,000) Left wing: J.T. Miller ($5,250,000) - Nils Höglander ($891,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,225,000) - Antoine Roussel ($3,000,000) - Marc Michaelis ($700,000) DEFENSE (7) Right: Nate Schmidt ($5,950,000) - Tyler Myers ($6,000,000) - Jalen Chatfield ($700,000) - Brogan Rafferty ($700,000) Left: Quinn Hughes ($916,667) - Olli Juolevi ($863,333) - Ashton Sautner ($700,000) GOALTENDER (2) Braden Holtby ($4,300,000) - Thatcher Demko ($1,050,000) AHL BURIED (1) Sven Baertschi ($2,291,666) BUYOUTS (1) Ryan Spooner ($1,033,333) DETAILS Roster Size: 23 Salary Cap: $81,500,000 Bonus Overages: $1,700,000 Cap Hit: $67,306,878 Cap Space: $14,193,122 I like them, let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Trade Sutter, Pearson, Edler, and one of Hamonic or Benn at the deadline if we’re out of contention. Keep everyone else. Our team is primed and ready for a solid push forward starting in October 2022......which has been the plan for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 18 hours ago, billabong said: Friedman talked about it on am650 last week. Friedman is quickly becoming one of my least favourite broadcasters. Ever since Juice come onto HNIC permanently and made him his B&%$H he seems to be making stuff up out of nowhere just to get noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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