The I have Mixed Feelings about Jim Benning Chaosthread 3000

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Problem is we've already been through that with Willie Desjardins being canned after three full NHL seasons.  His 'get out of jail card' was used.  I mean there are exceptions but rarely do GM's get to make such two mistakes in that decision (that is *assuming* Travis Green was a mistake) baring some real regular season success and/or post-season success.

 

But each situation *IS* different so who knows?

Bergervin somehow is surviving in the second worst climate to be a coach or GM of any NHL team.   Since 2012.... until he's canned i believe anything possible lol.   There is a difference with a rebuilding team canning their coach, and a team that's supposed to be at or near the top of their division as is CAL case, and MTL...well maybe winning one play-in series went to their heads, and they really aren't as good as some thought they'd be.    C is a major issue over there still. 

[Elias Pettersson]

31 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

For the sake of argument let's say Benning is good at drafting. 

 

Drafting is just one part of being a good GM. 

 

It's also about making good trades, signing players to good deals and finding and keeping the right people in the organization both on and off the ice. 

 

The latter is even more concerning. Judd Brackett leaving and now Ian Clark not being signed an extension yet is something a good GM would and should have taken care of. 

 

And I don't know what is happening management but something tells me Benning isn't exactly someone who embraces new innovative ideas. And has shown he's more old school than looking further in things like Analytics. 

I agree with your points.  But something else to consider.  Benning is in charge of drafting, but may not be fully in charge of the other items you mentioned.  Was signing Loui Benning's idea outright, or did he get a nudge from the owner who wanted Loui to play with the Sedins to extend their careers?  Also, at the time of the signings, Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle and even Sutter when traded for were all having good years.  Nobody could predict what was going to happen to them.  It's the same as Calgary.  They took a gamble on Markstrom.  You think they may regret that signing in 2-3 years?  

 

As for Judd Brackett, Benning has shown to be the mastermind behind drafting for 2 different organizations.  And this past draft without Brackett seems to be following that pattern.  Don't think we are going to miss him.  As for Ian Clark, do you think it's only Benning's decision to not extend him, or did Aquilini tell Benning we can no longer afford him?  We don't know the answer to that question, so to speculate that Benning no longer wants Clark around is just that, speculation that the haters thrive on.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

24 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Bergervin somehow is surviving in the second worst climate to be a coach or GM of any NHL team.   Since 2012.... until he's canned i believe anything possible lol.   There is a difference with a rebuilding team canning their coach, and a team that's supposed to be at or near the top of their division as is CAL case, and MTL...well maybe winning one play-in series went to their heads, and they really aren't as good as some thought they'd be.    C is a major issue over there still. 

If his name was 'Smith", I seriously wonder if he would've last as long.

Edited March 15, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[DSVII]

Consider me disappointed when these threads merged.....we had an almost equal amount of posts in the Love and Hate thread.

 

[kanucks25]

3 hours ago, The Lock said:

WD was a long time ago at this point to the point where I'd argue it doesn't count as that firing. We literally now have more  years with Green as coach than we did WD as coach. Not only that, but there were a lot of rumours about how Green was being groomed first in the AHL to eventually be our coach anyway.

 

So I think with WD, he was more of an interim coach rather than Benning's "get out of jail card"..

I mean, I don't have any actual proof of the contrary (nobody here does, on either side).

 

But a strong agree to disagree.

Edited March 16, 2021 by kanucks25

[kanucks25]

3 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Did you forget to log out of your alt account, oldnews?

 

What's with the excessive use of dashes?

 

Maybe a moderator check is in order...

I think we're safe, no dzone start% in his post.

[Josepho]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I agree with your points.  But something else to consider.  Benning is in charge of drafting, but may not be fully in charge of the other items you mentioned.  Was signing Loui Benning's idea outright, or did he get a nudge from the owner who wanted Loui to play with the Sedins to extend their careers?  Also, at the time of the signings, Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle and even Sutter when traded for were all having good years.  Nobody could predict what was going to happen to them.  It's the same as Calgary.  They took a gamble on Markstrom.  You think they may regret that signing in 2-3 years?  

 

As for Judd Brackett, Benning has shown to be the mastermind behind drafting for 2 different organizations.  And this past draft without Brackett seems to be following that pattern.  Don't think we are going to miss him.  As for Ian Clark, do you think it's only Benning's decision to not extend him, or did Aquilini tell Benning we can no longer afford him?  We don't know the answer to that question, so to speculate that Benning no longer wants Clark around is just that, speculation that the haters thrive on.

He also overlooked drafting for the Bruins when it was godawful.

[Patrik Laine]

Reason 3000 I love Benning, DEMKO!!!!!

[Patrik Laine]

Reason 3001 I love jim Benning. J.T MILLER!!!!!

[apollo]

Wait hold up... Wut... How did this thread get changed to mixed feelings?! Brutal! The Benning hate one goes against board rules and shoulda been locked no?! Sad 

 

To any trolls that waste their breath over some pocket change contracts, Stop playing Xbox. It's not your dynasty mode on beginner settings... Benning has made some mistakes and overpaid a some players... But what gm doesn't have some of those...

 

End of the day he's given us a plethora of young franchise players and there's no one on this planet that would have made such amazing picks. We've never had this many young super stars... Wake up and smell the roses you negative jerks (no offense - love u to all my Canucks nation - laughs/phlemz trolls can take offense tho) 

 

 

I've said many times... I was anti Benning for years. I ridiculed many of his picks... Brock... Petey... Quinn... Too small!... I'm a clown... I realized that apollo should shut up and respect the man that's given us more franchise players than any gm has in our 50+ year history! Nhl slides us down maximum spots in the draft every year? Benning doesn't care... He likes it. 

 

Since then I've realized to TRUST HIS PROCESS. 

 

He's set is up gloriously to succeed.

 

This decade will belong to Benning's Canucks. 

[Josepho]

14 minutes ago, apollo said:

Wait hold up... Wut... How did this thread get changed to mixed feelings?! Brutal! The Benning hate one goes against board rules and shoulda been locked no?! Sad 

 

To any trolls that waste their breath over some pocket change contracts, Stop playing Xbox. It's not your dynasty mode on beginner settings... Benning has made some mistakes and overpaid a some players... But what gm doesn't have some of those...

 

End of the day he's given us a plethora of young franchise players and there's no one on this planet that would have made such amazing picks. We've never had this many young super stars... Wake up and smell the roses you negative jerks (no offense - love u to all my Canucks nation - laughs/phlemz trolls can take offense tho) 

 

 

I've said many times... I was anti Benning for years. I ridiculed many of his picks... Brock... Petey... Quinn... Too small!... I'm a clown... I realized that apollo should shut up and respect the man that's given us more franchise players than any gm has in our 50+ year history! Nhl slides us down maximum spots in the draft every year? Benning doesn't care... He likes it. 

 

Since then I've realized to TRUST HIS PROCESS. 

 

He's set is up gloriously to succeed.

 

This decade will belong to Benning's Canucks. 

Nobody is comparing Benning's contracts, pro scouting and asset management to "Xbox", it's being compared to basically every other GM in the league. This is extremely important in making this team emerge into a contender -- this is what separates teams like the 2010 Blackhawks from teams like the Panthers over the last decade.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Josepho

[The Lock]

2 hours ago, kanucks25 said:

I mean, I don't have any actual proof of the contrary (nobody here does, on either side).

 

But a strong agree to disagree.

I mean, considering most of your arguments are from 2018 and before from what I've seen and given what I've said against that to you in the past, I'm not surprised you're going to disagree with it. lol

[kanucks25]

9 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I mean, considering most of your arguments are from 2018 and before from what I've seen and given what I've said against that to you in the past, I'm not surprised you're going to disagree with it. lol

With all due respect, the notion of the following is simply a load of pure & utter BS:

 

6 hours ago, The Lock said:

WD was a long time ago at this point to the point where I'd argue it doesn't count as that firing

Just because it was from the beginning of his tenure doesn't mean he's exonerated.

 

Maybe for a transaction like the 2nd for Vey trade or something of that ilk, but for something as major as a coach hiring? Sorry, that doesn't fly.

 

If you're okay with him bungling major decisions like hiring a coach (arguably both times) what exactly can he do to get fired in your books? It's frankly ridiculous lol. 

 

[RogersTowell]

I'm in mental agony due to this being around the 3000th Benning thread this year.  For the love of God just post in one of the other 2999 posts on the same topic.  For the love of all that is holy can we please lock&delete all future threads of this nature?

[kingofsurrey]

Benning is like Miller Beer

 

Draft - good

 

The other products are taste like piss.......

[cuporbust]

Save it for ur next infomercial 

[IBatch]

6 hours ago, RogersTowell said:

I'm in mental agony due to this being around the 3000th Benning thread this year.  For the love of God just post in one of the other 2999 posts on the same topic.  For the love of all that is holy can we please lock&delete all future threads of this nature?

The entire point of the thread was to keep it all under one umbrella lol - but i do agree it's crazy how many of these things exist ... could have it's own catagory like Armchair GM' Bashing 

[Nucksownyou]

I don't mind if Benning is fired at the end of the season and we get a new GM. But, the Benning haters truly are dumb as hell with not even a single brain cell shared among them, and I'm more than happy to point that out to these chumps.

[Me_]

14 hours ago, DSVII said:

Consider me disappointed when these threads merged.....we had an almost equal amount of posts in the Love and Hate thread.

 

It told quite the story indeed...

[The Lock]

11 hours ago, kanucks25 said:

With all due respect, the notion of the following is simply a load of pure & utter BS:

 

Just because it was from the beginning of his tenure doesn't mean he's exonerated.

 

Maybe for a transaction like the 2nd for Vey trade or something of that ilk, but for something as major as a coach hiring? Sorry, that doesn't fly.

 

If you're okay with him bungling major decisions like hiring a coach (arguably both times) what exactly can he do to get fired in your books? It's frankly ridiculous lol. 

How it is BS when it has been over 3 years now? NewbieCanuckFan even mentioned Montreal and how they've gone through more than 1 coach firing with Bergevin. You claim there's no evidence, but how long it's been since WD was fired along with teams like Bergevin bucking the trend is evidence still.

 

And yes, it absolutely is being exonerated for similar reasons. If these were problems that were ongoing (ie. Benning still signing Eriksson contracts, going through coaches like a revolving door, etc) then I would also say Benning absolutely would have been fired by now as well. They're clearly not ongoing issues.

 

And, for the record, I'm not okay with him bungling major decisions, I just don't thing he's bungled a lot of the things you think he's bungled. You're basing all of this on what you want, which is fine, but don't mistake what you want as necessarily being what everyone else wants either. Also, the real decisions effectively come from management anyway. Therefore, a lot of the arguments I see, your included, strikes me as silly as best if I'm being honest.

Edited March 16, 2021 by The Lock