[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks vs. Winnipeg Jets | March 24, 2021 | 7:30 p.m. PT | SNP

[Canuckfanforlife82]

Just now, nucklehead said:

dumb question as I'm not on here enough to know: when is next game??

Wednesday.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

I have not mentioned one trade the Canucks should do. I am saying they tend to sit on players who have expiring contracts. We get nothing for them in the end. How is that good asset management? It’s not. I am sorry but when you try to throw insults by saying you are behind your laptop making deals and I bought my team for 79.99 at Walmart. What would you call that? That is immaturity. That’s not having a conversation. That’s an accusation. There is more than enough evidence to point to the deficiencies of Jim Benning to be replaced. More failures than successes. I understand you guys like Jim Benning but you can’t ignore the big holes this team has and the amount of time he has had to fix them.

What about Motte?  He's a player.   Hamhuis was beating to death, not going back there.   What about Bieksa, Hansen, Burrows?    There are 31 GMs competiting against each other for a handful of deals each year which from reading the posts your referring to, and the replies, i don't think you quite get that which is why the video game references where brought up.   Every year during the rebuild JB was on the phone, often the press would say he was the busiest guy too, trying to sell ... wait for it ... Gagne and Del Zotto lol.   As far as picks go won't even get into that, too many on this site think a second rounder is Demko and not the other four guys that never make it.   

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PRACTICE | Adam Gaudette

 

[Devron]

25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Man these guys are dense. I won't even reply to that one Klown troll anymore but yeah:

 

What do people think Myers gets if he's a UFA next year? I'd bet he still gets $5.5 over 4 or something similar. Top UFA RD's command top dollar and UFA's are almost always overpaid in their final years in order to land them, especially the good ones.

 

Stating that one would rather go cheaper or in a different direction is fine. That's a valid hockey conversation. Attacking Benning or other posters because we did go the Myers route is incredibly shortsighted, childish, semantic, and annoying. Nobody is arguing that Myers is Paul Coffey, or Lidstrom, but RD are incredibly hard to find. He's one of the better options in the league like it or not. They cost money. I wish people would stop complaining because JB doesn't GM like they do. I would tell them, go to school, play hockey your entire life, and then GM your own team when you're 50, and for now STFU! 

Man I can handle complaints but the Myers stuff I can’t wrap my head around. It’s literally anti Benning people trying to add to their lists of bad things to say. He’s got some goofs, some home runs and some that are just plain bad luck. Myers isn’t really any of those, he just is. He’s a good defencemen on the side of ice we desperately need. He provides some push back, leadership some offence and plays hard minutes.. Literally if he was on another team Canucks fans would want him. Guaranteed 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

PRACTICE | Travis Green

 

[Gawdzukes]

31 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Man I can handle complaints but the Myers stuff I can’t wrap my head around. It’s literally anti Benning people trying to add to their lists of bad things to say. He’s got some goofs, some home runs and some that are just plain bad luck. Myers isn’t really any of those, he just is. He’s a good defencemen on the side of ice we desperately need. He provides some push back, leadership some offence and plays hard minutes.. Literally if he was on another team Canucks fans would want him. Guaranteed 

Well yeah. It's so bloody obvious. They're not being objective at all, just going out of their way to insist this proves Benning is an idiot. You never see these guys try to be civil and slightly agree on valid points or admit they weren't looking at it that way, while re-thinking/re-stating/re-qualifying their view. Nope! Just straight out denial and bickering, and it never changes day to day. That's not a conversation.

 

I know sometimes I have bad days but I truly try to engage with others for the most part and see their viewpoints, and even make them mine. I for one don't like Tryamkin but I still tune in there often to see any news. I rarely post there but every month or two I'll leave my same stale comments as too why I don't like him. I think that's acceptable. I don't linger there, or on other thread topics hating on him like these guys do. And when I do either Harry Kneel, or more likely Silent Sam sets me straight right away. 

 

The funniest part is they think they're fooling people when they're only fooling themselves. You know, like your buddy or kid that tells you half truths and thinks they're getting away with it. 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Gawdzukes

[IBatch]

42 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Man I can handle complaints but the Myers stuff I can’t wrap my head around. It’s literally anti Benning people trying to add to their lists of bad things to say. He’s got some goofs, some home runs and some that are just plain bad luck. Myers isn’t really any of those, he just is. He’s a good defencemen on the side of ice we desperately need. He provides some push back, leadership some offence and plays hard minutes.. Literally if he was on another team Canucks fans would want him. Guaranteed 

Maybe people were expecting ... Trouba at 8 x8 lol or - AP how's that working out so far for Vegas ... or  maybe EK?  How's that going for SJ so far? 

[Timråfan]

9 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Maybe people were expecting ... Trouba at 8 x8 lol or - AP how's that working out so far for Vegas ... or  maybe EK?  How's that going for SJ so far? 

Nah, keep players like Stecher and Tanev before you let someone get 6 mill just because he’s bigger than Stecher but less player. 

[IBatch]

18 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Well yeah. It's so bloody obvious. They're not being objective at all, just going out of their way to insist this proves Benning is an idiot. You never see these guys try to be civil and slightly agree on valid points or admit they weren't looking at it that way, while re-thinking/re-stating/re-qualifying their view. Nope! Just straight out denial and bickering, and it never changes day to day. That's not a conversation.

 

I know sometimes I have bad days but I truly try to engage with others for the most part and see their viewpoints, and even make them mine. I for one don't like Tryamkin but I still tune in there often to see any news. I rarely post there but every month or two I'll leave my same stale comments as too why I don't like him. I think that's acceptable. I don't linger there, or on other thread topics hating on him like these guys do. And when I do either Harry Kneel, or more likely Silent Sam sets me straight right away. 

 

The funniest part is they think they're fooling people when they're only fooling themselves. You know, like your buddy or kid that tells you half truths and thinks they're getting away with it. 

 

 

 

It's a little unfortunate but do think the vast majority see the shades of grey and that things aren't so black and white.   I can see both sides of the JB and TG thing, but still think at least for now anyways, that both have done an above average job overall.     We don't know how any of our recent rookie ascension would have happened with a coach like Torts for example.   Always has his favourites right?   Julien got fired, Sutter got hired - whoopie.    Glad we don't have a recycled has been personally. 

[kanucks25]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

Nah, keep players like Stecher and Tanev before you let someone get 6 mill just because he’s bigger than Stecher but less player. 

Pretty simple concept here that people are shockingly having trouble understanding.

 

Better @ hockey + cheap cap = better asset

 

It's about as simple as that.

 

So far people have typed up a lot of long posts yet nobody has still been able to explain why Myers is awful statistically?

[Timråfan]

1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:

but RD are incredibly hard to find. 

So that’s why Benning got rid of two really good RD in Tanev and Stecher?

[IBatch]

2 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Nah, keep players like Stecher and Tanev before you let someone get 6 mill just because he’s bigger than Stecher but less player. 

Stetcher was exposed last playoff, or have you forgotten already, just kept pounding his side and he with all the heart he had, couldn't keep up.   What did he get again in Detroit?  Less then 2.   Tanev well yes he's great no argument there.   Why don't we just be a little patient before we pass judgement there. That's a silly post. 

[Timråfan]

Just now, IBatch said:

Stetcher was exposed last playoff, or have you forgotten already, just kept pounding his side and he with all the heart he had, couldn't keep up.   What did he get again in Detroit?  Less then 2.   Tanev well yes he's great no argument there.   Why don't we just be a little patient before we pass judgement there. That's a silly post. 

I remember only one game when he was pushed around and he still got the final word when we won and he kept it up. 

What do you think will happen when Hughes get that attention? 

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

I remember only one game when he was pushed around and he still got the final word when we won and he kept it up. 

What do you think will happen when Hughes get that attention? 

Nah - he was exposed from St. louis right through Vegas - and  Hughes was too after St. louis except for a few minutes in one game against Vegas.   Losing Myers hurt our team.     They purposely went after Stetcher's side both series.... and yes he held up ok but when Myers was on the ice it wasn't at all the same.    The team can't have two sub six foot D's and win a cup.   At least that's how i feel. 

Edited March 27, 2021 by IBatch

[ilduce39]

We had all 3 of Myers, Stecher and Tanev.. pre flat cap it was never a question of either/or. 
 

Nobody thought a 4 year deal for glass man Tanev was a good long term investment.  Happy for him staying healthy but doesn’t seem like it’s doing the flames any good. 
 

I liked Stech too but he’s not exactly saving the world in Detroit, either... he doesn’t work the PK or the PP and he’s under sized.  In the end, he’s a piece that needs upgrading sooner or later.

[IBatch]

12 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

We had all 3 of Myers, Stecher and Tanev.. pre flat cap it was never a question of either/or. 
 

Nobody thought a 4 year deal for glass man Tanev was a good long term investment.  Happy for him staying healthy but doesn’t seem like it’s doing the flames any good. 
 

I liked Stech too but he’s not exactly saving the world in Detroit, either... he doesn’t work the PK or the PP and he’s under sized.  In the end, he’s a piece that needs upgrading sooner or later.

Yep.   Why anyone would complain with such an upgrade is a little strange.   Myers is figuratively and literally a huge upgrade.  If all our D's were comprised of Edlers, Myers and Schmidt's ... well it would look a lot like the best D we ever had in 2011... Maybe two years ago Edler on that front but doubt the team won't ever get value from the Myers deal , because guys like him and Edler and other blue chip D's, often have their best years after 30.   It's how that position usually works.  

 

Myers plays more PK minutes then any other D in the top 50 in scoring (and he was as high as 25 at one point).  Don't give two sh!ts about WAR or advanced stats that say he's not doing his job.   His PK time says he is.   So does the basic stats.   We are lucky to have him, and i'm tired of defending this too.   We can't have a D made up of little people - that never has and never will work.    RHDs are 50% less common then LHDs in the league too. Debating over his cap hit is ridiculous - he's producing enough to earn his cap hit even as a UFA.   And he's a RHD.  With a lot of intangibles.   Guddy makes 4.5 lol.  Trouba 8.  EK an brinks truck or two.   The only thing that sucks about Myers is we only have him for three more years. 

Edited March 27, 2021 by IBatch

[CanucksJay]

5 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Nah - he was exposed from St. louis right through Vegas - and  Hughes was too after St. louis except for a few minutes in one game against Vegas.   Losing Myers hurt our team.     They purposely went after Stetcher's side both series.... and yes he held up ok but when Myers was on the ice it wasn't at all the same.    The team can't have two sub six foot D's and win a cup.   At least that's how i feel. 

Stech is all heart but I agree with letting him go. 

Much like Hughes, he had to be paired with someone else who can make up for his lack of size. 

We can't have 2 of those on our back end. 

[ilduce39]

If Juolevi sticks I think he and Myers could make a nice pairing either later this season or next.  
 

Hard to speculate though because the D needs to really be ironed out.  
 

It’s a big offseason to shuffle the bottom 6 and D.  Makes me think if Aquilini isn’t willing to move on from JB mid season it sure doesn’t seem wise to be trying to find a replacement in what looks to be the most important offseason in recent memory... (Hughes, Petey contacts plus all the opportunity around the expansion draft.) 

[Toyotasfan]

4 hours ago, viking mama said:

You don’t believe Horvat has more upside than Miller?

 

You’d sell him?

I’m gob-smacked.

I think he has extremely high value, a top 10 winger in the league value. I don’t stand behind trading him , but he may be the most sought after player on the team. I was just kinda fishing the idea because I’m bored with the Canucks lay off.