The First Rule of Game Management? Don't talk about Game Management

[Nuxfanabroad]

We're all fans to varying degrees(of something..some time); & we're all consumers.

 

Just how important is authenticity, to each, & every one of us? Folks have to decide for themselves. My assumption is the younger one is, the more likely one will forgive(try to) forget, & carry on with their chosen form of entertainment. As you get older, crap like this makes one feel like a dupe/sap, & your interest/commitment is more likely to wane.

 

As I've said over the decades, apparently they don't give a shyte about the golden goose they're strangling. I hope more & more vote with their feet. The NHL(rigged deck league) deserves SFA.

[coolboarder]

5 hours ago, lmm said:

then all they need to do is get rid of 1/2 the useless penalties

like slashing  the stick (only rlelevant because it loks bad for stick manufacturers)

in fact 90 of slashes are nothing

holding , get rid of holding that does not impede

high sticking , that does not contact the head

 

look at the trapezoid rule, simple rule, almost never gets broken because its simple

puck over glass, only happens by accident because guys know they will get called

the reason some penalties get called a lot is because they don't get called a lot. 

Its the lack of consistancy that creates more penalties.

 

want less penalties suspend guys for taking them

Soccer, 2 yellows = a red

I doubpt it would make the game better

but it would reduce penalties, if that is what you want

The problem is that the NHL has too many rules changes every year and it affects the ref in some way because they were not used to it when compared to standard set in 90's.  Majority of the referee in the league was born in dead puck era or the tradition where the ref would let everything go in the playoffs and had two different standard is the biggest issue the league has.  I think that the referee needs more training than just a couple of weeks of training camp.   Instruct them to look for a certain penalty is a wrong approach to the game.   It is a case of having too many rules and even its looking right at it and they are in a habit of letting it go due to old standard that was set.   It has to do with training and ensure that the rules are being followed.  If anything, the ref has it consistency where it's very simple rules, the puck over the glass but why can't they do the very same for other penalties in the rulebook?   It shouldn't be a grey area in any infraction.   Also other thoughts, communication with players shouldn't be allowed as if he's trying to allow them to get away with it to the edge where they would let them go if players comply to referee's communication.  That would be altering the teams' game plan or taught by the coach.  

 

My suggestion would be this: no communication between players and the referee, call penalties without warning.  Only captains can talk to referee during stoppage of play. I feel that the ref is giving them too many warning (threating) to make a call and players would slightly change their playing style to avoid the ire of the coaches when they call a penalty and reduce their ice time.  I just do not think that ref owe the players any explanation as I often seen them do that every time a call is made and they talk to each other on their way to the box, even if a ref made a mistake.  It would greatly reduce their bias on a certain players and teams should directly talk to the league office and ask for explanation and let the league take care of the referee would be a much better approach by creating more consistency on referees.   I've seen that in every sport and it's time for players or coaches to stop influencing the ref.   I think that it's better if coach talks to ref and ask for his explanation of each call after the game with a video session, including missed calls in a private room with both teams in the same room.  This might be the best approach so that the coach can keep record for next time.  Just my take on this subject.

[Gurn]

Watching the CBC segment on the reffing/Tim Peel fiasco, realizing:

No way would they get away with that type of cat footing around the issue; if Don Cherry was still working.

[Gurn]

Should mention Ron Mclean saying the refs had no self interest was astounding. Heavy on the ass

How did that guy keep a job?

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

Should mention Ron Mclean saying the refs had no self interest was astounding. Heavy on the ass

How did that guy keep a job?

Not sure how he avoided criminal charges after slandering Burrows in retaliation to Burr exposing a crooked ref.  At the minimum, Sportsnet needs to publish a similar statement to the one the NHL put out about Peel.  No respectable network would continue to employ Rotten Ronnie after using a national broadcast as a platform to disgrace the network, the sport, his family, and himself with his refusal to act like a professional.

[UKNuck96]

On 3/27/2021 at 9:48 AM, coolboarder said:

The problem is that the NHL has too many rules changes every year and it affects the ref in some way because they were not used to it when compared to standard set in 90's.  Majority of the referee in the league was born in dead puck era or the tradition where the ref would let everything go in the playoffs and had two different standard is the biggest issue the league has.  I think that the referee needs more training than just a couple of weeks of training camp.   Instruct them to look for a certain penalty is a wrong approach to the game.   It is a case of having too many rules and even its looking right at it and they are in a habit of letting it go due to old standard that was set.   It has to do with training and ensure that the rules are being followed.  If anything, the ref has it consistency where it's very simple rules, the puck over the glass but why can't they do the very same for other penalties in the rulebook?   It shouldn't be a grey area in any infraction.   Also other thoughts, communication with players shouldn't be allowed as if he's trying to allow them to get away with it to the edge where they would let them go if players comply to referee's communication.  That would be altering the teams' game plan or taught by the coach.  

 

My suggestion would be this: no communication between players and the referee, call penalties without warning.  Only captains can talk to referee during stoppage of play. I feel that the ref is giving them too many warning (threating) to make a call and players would slightly change their playing style to avoid the ire of the coaches when they call a penalty and reduce their ice time.  I just do not think that ref owe the players any explanation as I often seen them do that every time a call is made and they talk to each other on their way to the box, even if a ref made a mistake.  It would greatly reduce their bias on a certain players and teams should directly talk to the league office and ask for explanation and let the league take care of the referee would be a much better approach by creating more consistency on referees.   I've seen that in every sport and it's time for players or coaches to stop influencing the ref.   I think that it's better if coach talks to ref and ask for his explanation of each call after the game with a video session, including missed calls in a private room with both teams in the same room.  This might be the best approach so that the coach can keep record for next time.  Just my take on this subject.

Should only be captains but I would say the lack of communication is an issue, you want the refs constantly talking. Go watch a rugby game and if you get the option get a ref mic feed as well, the amount of communication is what makes the game flow even though there are lots of technical rules. 

 

in rugby of a player of offside from a kick you will hear the ref shout player x in front of kicker or player x offside or player x retreat, this is a warning that avoids a penalty and let’s the game flow.

 

I think the rules of ice hockey need an overhaul, they have become too reactive to situations which has added nuances and technicalities which makes the rule set fairly bloated.

 

my view their either need to call all the penalties or find another way to penalise. For minor infractions maybe instead of getting 2 mins it’s a case of offensive zone face off, with last change going to the non penalised side. 
 

More serious ones or professional fouls get 2 mins and majors still 5 etc. 
 

potentially run something similar to basketball with a count of personal fouls and then it starts to become more serious, like 1-2 is an ozone FO, 3 is 2 mins, 4 is for 5 mins and 6 is ejected.

 

or something to that effect. I would imagine coaches would then bench players rather than risk a potential major. 

[King Heffy]

10 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

potentially run something similar to basketball with a count of personal fouls and then it starts to become more serious, like 1-2 is an ozone FO, 3 is 2 mins, 4 is for 5 mins and 6 is ejected.

 

or something to that effect. I would imagine coaches would then bench players rather than risk a potential major. 

You'd need to make sure you get rid of the problem refs before you implement anything like that.  Trusting the NHL refs to do this without issue is a terrible idea until the corruption that is jeopardizing the integrity of the league is eliminated completely.

[Hairy Kneel]

This whole thing got out of hand when they started the two ref system. Take one off and let him review calls in real time.