appleboy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: if gretzky can be traded so can hughes. Sure, he could. Even Jim isn't that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: if gretzky can be traded so can hughes. That arguement is flawed. Gretzky was more sold than he was traded. Also. It happened in an era when the salary cap and NTC/NMC’s didn’t exist. Could Hughes be traded? Sure. But using Gretzky as an example doesn’t apply to today’s NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: That arguement is flawed. Gretzky was more sold than he was traded. Also. It happened in an era when the salary cap and NTC/NMC’s didn’t exist. Could Hughes be traded? Sure. But using Gretzky as an example doesn’t apply to today’s NHL players are still sold, whats your point.? not for cash, but there still sold. high calibre player names that have been traded Spoiler Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Tyson BarrieAlex Kerfoot2020 6th round pick July 1, 2019 Nazem KadriCalle Rosen2020 3rd round pick Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Alex GalchenyukPierre-Olivier Joseph June 29, 2019 Phil KesselDane Birks2021 4th round pick New Jersey Devils acquire Date Nashville Predators acquire P.K. Subban June 22, 2019 Steven SantiniJeremy Davies2019 2nd round pick2020 2nd round pick New York Rangers acquire Date Winnipeg Jets acquire Jacob Trouba June 17, 2019 2019 1st round pickNeal Pionk Vegas Golden Knights acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Mark Stone February 25, 2019 Erik BrannstromOscar Lindberg2020 2nd round pick Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Matt DucheneJulius Bergman February 22, 2019 Vitaly AbramovJonathan Davidsson2019 1st round pick2020 conditional 1st round pick Comment: 2020 pick conditional on Duchene resigning with Colombus, lottery protected if it’s a top 3 pick. San Jose Sharks acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Erik KarlssonFrancis Perron September 13, 2018 Josh NorrisChris TierneyRudolfs BalcersDylan DeMelo2019 2nd round pick2019 or 2020 conditional 1st round pick2021 conditional 1st or 2nd round pick2022 conditional 1st round pick Comment: The 2019 2nd rounder is the better of San Jose's own or Florida's own, previously acquired. If the Sharks miss the playoffs in 2018-19, the 2019 or 2020 first-rounder will be in 2019; otherwise, it’s a 2020 first-round pick that will go to Ottawa. If the Sharks re-sign Karlsson the Senators receive a conditional second-round pick in 2021 which would become a first-round pick if the Sharks make it to the Stanley Cup Final in 2019. If Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list during the 2018-19 season, the Sharks would have to send the Senators an additional first-round pick no later than 2022. St. Louis Blues acquire Date Buffalo Sabres acquire Ryan O`Reilly July 1, 2018 Vladimir SobotkaPatrik BerglundTage Thompson2019 1st round pick2021 2nd round pick Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Ryan McDonaghJ.T. Miller February 26, 2018 Vladislav NamestnikovLibor HajekBrett Howden2018 1st round pick2019 conditional 2nd round pick Comment: Conditional 2nd round pick becomes a first-rounder if the Lightning win the Stanley Cup in either 2018 or 2019. Ottawa Senators acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Matt Duchene November 5, 2017 Shane BowersAndrew Hammond2018 conditional 1st round pick2019 3rd round pick Comment: 3-team trade between Senators, Avalanche and Predators. If Ottawa’s 2018 1st round pick ends up being a top 10 pick, the Sens have the option to give Colorado their 2019 1st round pick instead. Nashville Predators acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Kyle Turris November 5, 2017 Samuel GirardVladislav Kamenev2018 2nd round pick Comment: 3-team trade between Senators, Avalanche and Predators Montreal Canadiens acquire Date Nashville Predators acquire Shea Weber June 29, 2016 PK Subban New Jersey Devils acquire Date Edmonton Oilers acquire Taylor Hall June 29, 2016 Adam Larsson Nashville Predators acquire Date Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Ryan Johansen January 6, 2016 Seth Jones Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Phil KesselTim ErixonTyler Biggs2016 conditional 2nd round pick July 1, 2015 Kasperi KapanenScott HarringtonNick Spaling2016 conditional 1st round pick2016 3rd round pick Los Angeles Kings acquire Date Boston Bruins acquire Milan Lucic June 26, 2015 Martin JonesColin Miller2015 1st round pick Calgary Flames acquire Date Boston Bruins acquire Dougie Hamilton June 26, 2015 2015 1st round pick2015 2nd round pick2015 2nd round pick New York Rangers acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Keith YandleChris Summers2015 4th round pick March 1, 2015 Anthony DuclairJohn Moore2015 2nd round pick2016 1st round pick Buffalo Sabres acquire Date Winnipeg Jets acquire Jason KasdorfZach BogosianEvander Kane February 11, 2015 Brendan LemieuxJoel ArmiaDrew StaffordTyler Myers2015 1st round pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: players are still sold, whats your point.? not for cash, but there still sold. high calibre player names that have been traded Hide contents Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Tyson BarrieAlex Kerfoot2020 6th round pick July 1, 2019 Nazem KadriCalle Rosen2020 3rd round pick Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Alex GalchenyukPierre-Olivier Joseph June 29, 2019 Phil KesselDane Birks2021 4th round pick New Jersey Devils acquire Date Nashville Predators acquire P.K. Subban June 22, 2019 Steven SantiniJeremy Davies2019 2nd round pick2020 2nd round pick New York Rangers acquire Date Winnipeg Jets acquire Jacob Trouba June 17, 2019 2019 1st round pickNeal Pionk Vegas Golden Knights acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Mark Stone February 25, 2019 Erik BrannstromOscar Lindberg2020 2nd round pick Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Matt DucheneJulius Bergman February 22, 2019 Vitaly AbramovJonathan Davidsson2019 1st round pick2020 conditional 1st round pick Comment: 2020 pick conditional on Duchene resigning with Colombus, lottery protected if it’s a top 3 pick. San Jose Sharks acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Erik KarlssonFrancis Perron September 13, 2018 Josh NorrisChris TierneyRudolfs BalcersDylan DeMelo2019 2nd round pick2019 or 2020 conditional 1st round pick2021 conditional 1st or 2nd round pick2022 conditional 1st round pick Comment: The 2019 2nd rounder is the better of San Jose's own or Florida's own, previously acquired. If the Sharks miss the playoffs in 2018-19, the 2019 or 2020 first-rounder will be in 2019; otherwise, it’s a 2020 first-round pick that will go to Ottawa. If the Sharks re-sign Karlsson the Senators receive a conditional second-round pick in 2021 which would become a first-round pick if the Sharks make it to the Stanley Cup Final in 2019. If Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list during the 2018-19 season, the Sharks would have to send the Senators an additional first-round pick no later than 2022. St. Louis Blues acquire Date Buffalo Sabres acquire Ryan O`Reilly July 1, 2018 Vladimir SobotkaPatrik BerglundTage Thompson2019 1st round pick2021 2nd round pick Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Ryan McDonaghJ.T. Miller February 26, 2018 Vladislav NamestnikovLibor HajekBrett Howden2018 1st round pick2019 conditional 2nd round pick Comment: Conditional 2nd round pick becomes a first-rounder if the Lightning win the Stanley Cup in either 2018 or 2019. Ottawa Senators acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Matt Duchene November 5, 2017 Shane BowersAndrew Hammond2018 conditional 1st round pick2019 3rd round pick Comment: 3-team trade between Senators, Avalanche and Predators. If Ottawa’s 2018 1st round pick ends up being a top 10 pick, the Sens have the option to give Colorado their 2019 1st round pick instead. Nashville Predators acquire Date Colorado Avalanche acquire Kyle Turris November 5, 2017 Samuel GirardVladislav Kamenev2018 2nd round pick Comment: 3-team trade between Senators, Avalanche and Predators Montreal Canadiens acquire Date Nashville Predators acquire Shea Weber June 29, 2016 PK Subban New Jersey Devils acquire Date Edmonton Oilers acquire Taylor Hall June 29, 2016 Adam Larsson Nashville Predators acquire Date Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Ryan Johansen January 6, 2016 Seth Jones Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Phil KesselTim ErixonTyler Biggs2016 conditional 2nd round pick July 1, 2015 Kasperi KapanenScott HarringtonNick Spaling2016 conditional 1st round pick2016 3rd round pick Los Angeles Kings acquire Date Boston Bruins acquire Milan Lucic June 26, 2015 Martin JonesColin Miller2015 1st round pick Calgary Flames acquire Date Boston Bruins acquire Dougie Hamilton June 26, 2015 2015 1st round pick2015 2nd round pick2015 2nd round pick New York Rangers acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Keith YandleChris Summers2015 4th round pick March 1, 2015 Anthony DuclairJohn Moore2015 2nd round pick2016 1st round pick Buffalo Sabres acquire Date Winnipeg Jets acquire Jason KasdorfZach BogosianEvander Kane February 11, 2015 Brendan LemieuxJoel ArmiaDrew StaffordTyler Myers2015 1st round pick My point is Gretzky was traded with cash included in the deal. It also happened in an era where no trade/no movement clauses did t exist. Yes. High caliber players are still traded. But the circumstances have changed as the league has changed. Using Gretzky to illustrate a point when the league is so different now isn’t really a great argument. It’s a lot more complicated now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: My point is Gretzky was traded with cash included in the deal. It also happened in an era where no trade/no movement clauses didn't exist. Yes. High caliber players are still traded. But the circumstances have changed as the league has changed. Using Gretzky to illustrate a point when the league is so different now isn’t really a great argument. It’s a lot more complicated now. If you want to argue about semantics, have at it. you totally missed my point. But so they say, when in rome. I'll play along I don't know if it's any less complicated, Arguably the LA manager had to factor alot in that trade, even though they paid cash, made up for that with increased ticket sales and prices etc..... would it improve the team? Gretzky trade was arguably the most complicated trade of all time. COnnor mcdavid could be traded in a similar type of fashion, but since gretzky did all the hard work the asking price wouldn't be as much because mcdavid could never influence fans as much as gretzky ever did. still could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: If you want to argue about semantics, have at it. you totally missed my point. But so they say, when in rome. I'll play along I don't know if it's any less complicated, Arguably the LA manager had to factor alot in that trade, even though they paid cash, made up for that with increased ticket sales and prices etc..... would it improve the team? Gretzky trade was arguably the most complicated trade of all time. COnnor mcdavid could be traded in a similar type of fashion, but since gretzky did all the hard work the asking price wouldn't be as much because mcdavid could never influence fans as much as gretzky ever did. still could happen McDavid has a $12.5m cap hit in a flat cap league. He also has a full NMC starting 2022. You don’t think those 2 thing complicate things immensely? The old adage of “if Gretzky can be traded , anyone can be” just doesn’t ring true today. How many times has Edler refused to waive his NTC? Players today have a lot more say in things than in Gretzky’s era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, qwijibo said: McDavid has a $12.5m cap hit in a flat cap league. He also has a full NMC starting 2022. You don’t think those 2 thing complicate things immensely? The old adage of “if Gretzky can be traded , anyone can be” just doesn’t ring true today. How many times has Edler refused to waive his NTC? Players today have a lot more say in things than in Gretzky’s era. Even in Gretzky's time, it took the owner of the team he played for in EXTREME need for capital (money) to make that trade happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: McDavid has a $12.5m cap hit in a flat cap league. He also has a full NMC starting 2022. You don’t think those 2 thing complicate things immensely? The old adage of “if Gretzky can be traded , anyone can be” just doesn’t ring true today. How many times has Edler refused to waive his NTC? Players today have a lot more say in things than in Gretzky’s era. your making no sense. hughes doesn't have a ntc,hughes has no say. my statement didn't say if gretzky can be traded any player in the league regardless of any and all circumstances can be traded. no, it just stated hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Even in Gretzky's time, it took the owner of the team he played for in EXTREME need for capital (money) to make that trade happen. edmonton wasn't booming and even though they had the best team with the best player, they weren't making money because the city was small and economy was not very strong. for edmonton it was a easy decision, if they could still be a top team they could still keep the stadium full without lowering ticket prices. Gretzky really wasn't going to be traded to just any old team, he needed the perfect market. an original six team wasn't a good choice for edmonton because there offers would be less, and a team like buffalo would never make the money back. Gretzky's potential trade partners was realistically only one. LA market had the most potential growth, and the economy could support increasing ticket prices. LA gm had to do a lot more due diligence they were certainly not a hockey market at the time, they probably had a lot of experts working on that trade. they had to factor in how much advertising they would require to increase revenue and how many years to recover thier loss. Like I said probably the most complicated trade of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Petey_BOI said: if gretzky can be traded so can hughes. Edit: Oops, the guy covered it 3 posts up. Edited March 25, 2021 by Jack Fig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 hours ago, appleboy said: You do not trade a player like Petey or Hughes. Teams can wait 40 years and never land a player like Quin. You build around players like this. You find the right fit to offset their weaknesses. Petey , Hughes , Bo , Demko and Boeser. These are core guys. Players to build around. Miller , Schmidt , Myers , Motte and Hoglander are all keepers. Podkolzin looks like he has the potential to fill that power forward spot. Any player not on this list should dangled as trade bate. Wayne Gretzky, Phil Esposito, Jean Rattel, Marcel Dionne, Brad Park, Joe Thornton, Paul Coffee, Mark Messier, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Patrick Roy, Bobby Orr, Patrik Marleau, Markus Naslund, Cam Neely, Alex Pietriangelo, Brett Hull, Ray Bouque, Zeno Chara, Trevor Linden, Paul Kariya, Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Caol Vadnais, and the list goes on and on and on................all these guys are either HOFers or will be HOFers, or should be, and all were either traded, or were not resigned........... Imagine that! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 53 minutes ago, qwijibo said: McDavid has a $12.5m cap hit in a flat cap league. He also has a full NMC starting 2022. You don’t think those 2 thing complicate things immensely? The old adage of “if Gretzky can be traded , anyone can be” just doesn’t ring true today. How many times has Edler refused to waive his NTC? Players today have a lot more say in things than in Gretzky’s era. no I don't, there is at least 15 teams that would find a way to get mcdavid on thier team, and with revenue sharing between the teams, aquiring mcdavid would be a no brainer for many owners. 12.5m cap hit is a bargain. and comparing the trade to gretzky's it would be the exact same cirmcumstances the trade would be made, the NTC would have zero factor in the gretzky or potential Mcdavid trade. Both teams would be losing money, the owner sits down and has a honest talk with mcdavid lets him know he has two options sell the team And potentially go to some random city or waive his NMC and go to the team of his choice. NHL is a shared buisness now. if a player refuses a trade that hurts the nhl, there will all of a sudden be player's motivating Mcdavid to waive. It's actually kind of funny because NMC protect the players who earn the least, the most of all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 14 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Wayne Gretzky, Phil Esposito, Jean Rattel, Marcel Dionne, Brad Park, Joe Thornton, Paul Coffee, Mark Messier, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Patrick Roy, Bobby Orr, Patrik Marleau, Markus Naslund, Cam Neely, Alex Pietriangelo, Brett Hull, Ray Bouque, Zeno Chara, Trevor Linden, Paul Kariya, Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Caol Vadnais, and the list goes on and on and on................all these guys are either HOFers or will be HOFers, or should be, and all were either traded, or were not resigned........... Imagine that! Ya, and when Hughes or Petey are in their late twenties or early thirties it might happen. At this point it would need to be a deal that is off the charts good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 11:21 AM, Jack Fig said: Janisa has been busy. Some of that is plausible, some is not. I would not trade Hughes, nor do I think he is or ever will be a true top-pairing Dman. But he is a rare and valuable specialist. The Canucks have scarcely ever had a PP QB of his ability. In a league where skating ability is paramount, letting him go is a huge mistake. The problem with Hughes is that the Canucks are going to have to pay him as a top-pairing Dman to keep him here long-term. Jim (or his replacement) need to plan for that. The other noteworthy part is Tryamkin. He's not going to leave Russia to come here for $2.25M/year. I don't think you'd get him for double that amount. I think you need to go and look and see what those guys are getting paid over there. The highest player in the KHL makes 1.75USD... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 7:52 PM, janisahockeynut said: Wayne Gretzky, Phil Esposito, Jean Rattel, Marcel Dionne, Brad Park, Joe Thornton, Paul Coffee, Mark Messier, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Patrick Roy, Bobby Orr, Patrik Marleau, Markus Naslund, Cam Neely, Alex Pietriangelo, Brett Hull, Ray Bouque, Zeno Chara, Trevor Linden, Paul Kariya, Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Caol Vadnais, and the list goes on and on and on................all these guys are either HOFers or will be HOFers, or should be, and all were either traded, or were not resigned........... Imagine that! Vaive on our team too, would be like trading Hogs this year and going on to watch him score a whole bunch later on (even though the return was good)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 5:13 AM, janisahockeynut said: Thanks for playing along Big Tram Thanks for the support! I am not too wrapped up on who plays with who, only that these are my guys IMO, we have such good size and offensive defensemen, that we should be able to guard our net I do agree, that we could use some more Defense But I looked at Tryamkin, Myers, Schmidt, Hamilton, Chychrun, and Rathbone all being able to play decent Defense as I stated in my proposal, when you look at the entirety of the Defensive grouping, there is no doubt you may have to tweak it Certainly there is room to move things around and acquire another large Defensive defensemen for one of Schmidt or Myers Hi Jan, wondering if you checked out my proposal: [Proposal] VAN - TBL - Proposals and Armchair GM'ing - Canucks Community ? Just realised it might have been inspired by your proposed trade of Hughes to ARI...I have had very few comments except for some unhappy emojis...not sure why people were so sad about it...except maybe that they really like Hughes and are looking forward to Podz....appreciate your thoughts, cheers... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 7:09 PM, Petey_BOI said: edmonton wasn't booming and even though they had the best team with the best player, they weren't making money because the city was small and economy was not very strong. for edmonton it was a easy decision, if they could still be a top team they could still keep the stadium full without lowering ticket prices. Gretzky really wasn't going to be traded to just any old team, he needed the perfect market. an original six team wasn't a good choice for edmonton because there offers would be less, and a team like buffalo would never make the money back. Gretzky's potential trade partners was realistically only one. LA market had the most potential growth, and the economy could support increasing ticket prices. LA gm had to do a lot more due diligence they were certainly not a hockey market at the time, they probably had a lot of experts working on that trade. they had to factor in how much advertising they would require to increase revenue and how many years to recover thier loss. Like I said probably the most complicated trade of all time. EDM was the biggest ticket in the NHL at the time, and its owner, Pocklington, treated it like a cash cow. It was the only part of his portfolio that could save his actual business, a grocery empire that was bleeding money so he used it. Didn't have anything to do with market size or lack of interest, Battle of Alberta was one of the best things of that era, and fans packed the arena more then most at the time (21 teams). Market size had zero to do with it. US hockey market on the west coast wasn't that big ... Gretzky was so interesting as an athlete dominating his sport like no other, LA became a team like no other before or since - with celebs all over LA coming down to see him play, one of which became his lifelong friend etc. It spawned a massive expansion in the US. In that regard it was a complex trade, that changed the entire league forever. The trade itself was simple - owner was going bankrupt and needed a cash infusion. 15 million back then would be like 33.5 now, and that was his biggest asset outside of his actual NHL team. Which still went on to win one more cup. At the time the government officials in Canada wanted to block the trade. It was really tough for a lot of Canadians watching their best player go to a US team at the peak of his powers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 8 hours ago, IBatch said: EDM was the biggest ticket in the NHL at the time, and its owner, Pocklington, treated it like a cash cow. It was the only part of his portfolio that could save his actual business, a grocery empire that was bleeding money so he used it. Didn't have anything to do with market size or lack of interest, Battle of Alberta was one of the best things of that era, and fans packed the arena more then most at the time (21 teams). Market size had zero to do with it. US hockey market on the west coast wasn't that big ... Gretzky was so interesting as an athlete dominating his sport like no other, LA became a team like no other before or since - with celebs all over LA coming down to see him play, one of which became his lifelong friend etc. It spawned a massive expansion in the US. In that regard it was a complex trade, that changed the entire league forever. The trade itself was simple - owner was going bankrupt and needed a cash infusion. 15 million back then would be like 33.5 now, and that was his biggest asset outside of his actual NHL team. Which still went on to win one more cup. At the time the government officials in Canada wanted to block the trade. It was really tough for a lot of Canadians watching their best player go to a US team at the peak of his powers. it wasn't just Gretzky it was that half the team was due for a substantial raise which would likely be making the oilers the highest payroll in the NHL. they simply couldnt afford to double the ticket prices you have to ask yourself, if vancouver couldn't afford gretzky, why do you think edmonton could? it's the exact same reason why the bulls fell apart. market AND economy had everything to do with it, and it had absolutley nothing related to hockey. Gretzky was a big thing, rich people would buy tickets jerseys just so they could increase or maintain thier social status. the owner was giving tickets away to the celebs was a marketing ploy he could take thier picture, star crazed fans might have bought a ticket just for a chance to see how a celeb lives, or win the jackpot and get a picture with them. i think we are arguing over semantics at this point, and are missing the point of my original argument. which was the la manager/owners were taking a massive risk with that trade, which made it complex and only the LA kings would have the ability to profit off of gretzkys trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Petey_BOI said: it wasn't just Gretzky it was that half the team was due for a substantial raise which would likely be making the oilers the highest payroll in the NHL. they simply couldnt afford to double the ticket prices you have to ask yourself, if vancouver couldn't afford gretzky, why do you think edmonton could? it's the exact same reason why the bulls fell apart. market AND economy had everything to do with it, and it had absolutley nothing related to hockey. Gretzky was a big thing, rich people would buy tickets jerseys just so they could increase or maintain thier social status. the owner was giving tickets away to the celebs was a marketing ploy he could take thier picture, star crazed fans might have bought a ticket just for a chance to see how a celeb lives, or win the jackpot and get a picture with them. i think we are arguing over semantics at this point, and are missing the point of my original argument. which was the la manager/owners were taking a massive risk with that trade, which made it complex and only the LA kings would have the ability to profit off of gretzkys trade value. Back then there wasn't any disclosure. A lot of mediocre guys were making more then star players, even on their own team. Yes they did deserve raises, but it was for sure sustainable with an owner with deeper pockets. It had everything to do with the owner, Pocklingtons grocery empire, as i previously mentioned, was his real business and it was in dire need of a cash flow injection which is why WG got traded. Even without WG and Coffey that team wouldn't be sustainable under the cap today, back then owners made cash hand over fist and did until the players finally went for salary disclosure and only then did it escalate. WG didn't make nearly the type of money guys like Ovi and Crosby do today (although he killed it on the endorsements, salary wise not really until much later in his career, after salary disclosure). Don't know if you were around then, if you weren't i get it, but from someone who was, it was a massive upset for all Canadians and caused quite the uproar. WG wedding was as big as an event as was Dianna's and Charles for Canadians, arguably bigger. That team would have won 5-6 more cups if it was kept together, which for sure it could have been with a different owner. Edit: I'm not arguing anything. I just want the history to stay as it was and not be changed. That is what i re-call. And i've followed WG since he joined the league. Any team would have jumped at the chance to get him. It was and still is the biggest shocking trade ever made. Edited April 6, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 4:52 PM, janisahockeynut said: Wayne Gretzky, Phil Esposito, Jean Rattel, Marcel Dionne, Brad Park, Joe Thornton, Paul Coffee, Mark Messier, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Patrick Roy, Bobby Orr, Patrik Marleau, Markus Naslund, Cam Neely, Alex Pietriangelo, Brett Hull, Ray Bouque, Zeno Chara, Trevor Linden, Paul Kariya, Guy Lafleur, Steve Shutt, Caol Vadnais, and the list goes on and on and on................all these guys are either HOFers or will be HOFers, or should be, and all were either traded, or were not resigned........... Imagine that! I seem to remember some Bure kid that Vancouver traded away... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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