IBatch Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) On 3/26/2021 at 1:39 PM, the grinder said: the plan has always been draft and develop players in the system , the first thing benning did was set up was the team in Utica , even last year benning indicated they are going to have 6 to 8 young player in the line up over the next few years , Demko is the prime example of that developed player in the system and now has translated to the nhl . So there is a plan , some just choose not to see it . Good post grinder. Like to add show me a GM in this league that regularly shows his hand and tells the media/fans exactly what that plan is .... really can't think of anyone who does that. Maybe Burke a little when he ran TO, but most of that was just saying "we have a five year plan" not a lot of detail was actually given as to what that is. The good thing about this is GMs shouldn't have a job if they are constantly telling their competition the details of said plan. The bad is it leaves some less imaginative fans unable to see the forest for the trees. JB/Linden we're pretty clear they were going to honour the Sedins and work around them or re-tool. Did exactly that, with no Miller plan would never had a chance. One seventh overall finish validated that plan, for better i think then worse, that plan didn't last more then three years. There was an obvious change when the team traded Bieksa, Burrows and Hansen, and Hamhuis walked without a new deal, re-tool over, on to rebuilding. For sure the quickest route to a full rebuild was lost when the Sedins signed their final contract. It is what it is, somehow JB drafted a new core anyways. And IMO at least, he's gotten a little better along the way. Something i didn't expect at all. Figured at best parts of this core and the next would be competitive. Now odds look very good the Canucks will become a force in their own division. Vegas/Canucks/EDM look to be the teams to beat in the 2020's. Edit: It's also interesting where those guys went. Most to teams in our own division...if a teams trying to win now, why'd they do that? ANA was a contender to boot ... same with SJ. Edited April 2, 2021 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 Lind has been moved to the taxi squad. Maybe we get to see him this year. If they make a deal or two we might get to see Gad and Rathbone. These guys would definitely help to make the cap work for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 hours ago, TheNewGM said: its almost as if NO GM IN HISTORY HAS EVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP. NAME ONE?! who cares about drafting good players if your team still completely sucks ass... ?? Troll. Blocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, appleboy said: 0 wiggle room. You have not allowed anything for the bonus recapture. Like I said ,they will get it done but there is no cash to improve. There was a chance to make a deal for some talent before the expansion draft. They have not planned this out. No cap space to do anything creative. Why would you buy out LE. You get $1,125,000 by just waiving him. They get more by buying out Jake. Buying out Holtby also gives them more for next year. Jake and Holtby's deals are cash heavy for next year. They may have designed those deals for potential buy outs. Oh my god, actual planning. Could that be? Buying out Jake and Holtby would clear 6.3 mil. It would slide 2.4 mil to 22/23 but they get LE and Lou off the books. OMG if signing people to buyout is a plan, when you are already up against the cap is really a plan or a good one? Maybe they should have cut their loses with any trade they could have got for Jake and signed any of the cheaper goalies available at the time, if you had the belief in Demko as i did as a better less costly gamble? Gambling is now planning? Maybe we all should take all out earnings down to the Lotto store or Casino and spend it all? Should expect a few winners, even if we lose Why is it all the talk of buying out and ones that have all been signed have no value to any other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: OMG if signing people to buyout is a plan, when you are already up against the cap is really a plan or a good one? Maybe they should have cut their loses with any trade they could have got for Jake and signed any of the cheaper goalies available at the time, if you had the belief in Demko as i did as a better less costly gamble? Gambling is now planning? Maybe we all should take all out earnings down to the Lotto store or Casino and spend it all? Should expect a few winners, even if we lose Why is it all the talk of buying out and ones that have all been signed have no value to any other team? When you don't plan out your cap years ahead then you must pay for your mistakes. With a buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 hours ago, appleboy said: 0 wiggle room. You have not allowed anything for the bonus recapture. Like I said ,they will get it done but there is no cash to improve. There was a chance to make a deal for some talent before the expansion draft. They have not planned this out. No cap space to do anything creative. Why would you buy out LE. You get $1,125,000 by just waiving him. They get more by buying out Jake. Buying out Holtby also gives them more for next year. Jake and Holtby's deals are cash heavy for next year. They may have designed those deals for potential buy outs. Oh my god, actual planning. Could that be? Buying out Jake and Holtby would clear 6.3 mil. It would slide 2.4 mil to 22/23 but they get LE and Lou off the books. That was already including bonus carry over. And it doesn't include the cap subtracted in the ED either. And how is that not wiggle room? Neither Hamonic or Edler are going to cost the left over $5-$6m. Hell, if they do clear a bit more cap, they might even be able to bring both back (though that does bring up the question of where Tryamkin, Juolevi and Rathbone all play...) They buy out Eriksson because it gains them cap space and saves the owner actual cash money. It also gets him, and all the negative PR around him, the &^@# off the team. They may very well make some of those other moves as well (though I question the wisdom of buying out Holtby and then signing a $2m+ backup...) and then they have even more wiggle room. If Myers gets exposed and selected in the ED, there's also his $6m off the books Improvement is/was always going to come from within/youth and bringing guys like Tryamkin back. All of which increase depth and pushes higher quality further down the roster. Just like last year, you're too worried about cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, appleboy said: Lind has been moved to the taxi squad. Maybe we get to see him this year. If they make a deal or two we might get to see Gad and Rathbone. These guys would definitely help to make the cap work for next year. Hope so, given that the pretend playoff push is over, it would had been prudent to play/showcase the rookies instead of the FA vets that would more than likely not be here but the staff won't play these rookies for the sake of 'winning'; and despite the vet laden line up it is still Demko who is winning the games. I understand the staffs decision but JB/Aquaman had decided to not do any coaching change at this point; too bad cause (imo) opinion it would had been nice to see this roster with a different staff and this shorten season would had been a good opportunity to play these rookies despite the standings Edited April 2, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 16 hours ago, IBatch said: Good post grinder. Like to add show me a GM in this league that regularly shows his hand and tells the media/fans exactly what that plan is .... really can't think of anyone who does that. Maybe Burke a little when he ran TO, but most of that was just saying "we have a five year plan" not a lot of detail was actually given as to what that is. The good thing about this is GMs shouldn't have a job if they are constantly telling their competition the details of said plan. The bad is it leaves some less imaginative fans unable to see the forest for the trees. JB/Linden we're pretty clear they were going to honour the Sedins and work around them or re-tool. Did exactly that, with no Miller plan would never had a chance. One seventh overall finish validated that plan, for better i think then worse, that plan didn't last more then three years. There was an obvious change when the team traded Bieksa, Burrows and Hansen, and Hamhuis walked without a new deal, re-tool over, on to rebuilding. For sure the quickest route to a full rebuild was lost when the Sedins signed their final contract. It is what it is, somehow JB drafted a new core anyways. And IMO at least, he's gotten a little better along the way. Something i didn't expect at all. Figured at best parts of this core and the next would be competitive. Now odds look very good the Canucks will become a force in their own division. Vegas/Canucks/EDM look to be the teams to beat in the 2020's. Edit: It's also interesting where those guys went. Most to teams in our own division...if a teams trying to win now, why'd they do that? ANA was a contender to boot ... same with SJ. Yep no Gm shows thier hand, but jim does tell of plans , retool , rebuild , get playoff experience for the young core, vets show young players how to play the right way , devolop the young players in thier system , most young player hit thier peak at 26 . The Canucks just need a lil time ,a russian invasion ( Try and Podi ), a good draft pick , and loui to retire then good times 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Seven years without a clear plan from Canucks brass. I thought the whole plans was to rebuild... Only two guys are left from the Gillis Era; Edler and Horvat... I’m confused... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 On 4/2/2021 at 12:12 AM, TheNewGM said: its almost as if NO GM IN HISTORY HAS EVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP. NAME ONE?! who cares about drafting good players if your team still completely sucks ass... ?? The logic amity of some never seems to amaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucard Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Just a question for how many years we will have a championship contending team if things go accordingly through the plan. Bo is 25 soon to be 26, Boeser 25. our defense is thin. coach is not that impressive. I like canucks to be a "draft and develop" franchise and always "a playoff team" with a clear system and clear identity. with a great prospect pool and depth, with a clear brand of hockey playing, a franchise with system ,culture and patience. hope Benning does not screw it up, I think Linden view was what I said above,maybe i am mistaken as I usually am. with this coaching system that is installed in Van, I do not see this vision happening. Edited April 3, 2021 by BENN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Me_ said: Seven years without a clear plan from Canucks brass. I thought the whole plans was to rebuild... Only two guys are left from the Gillis Era; Edler and Horvat... I’m confused... Don't be confused I think the average NHL career is around 5 years and Edler has played close to 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Who would you replace Benning with? Who is out there? What about Green? Same question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, aGENT said: That was already including bonus carry over. And it doesn't include the cap subtracted in the ED either. And how is that not wiggle room? Neither Hamonic or Edler are going to cost the left over $5-$6m. Hell, if they do clear a bit more cap, they might even be able to bring both back (though that does bring up the question of where Tryamkin, Juolevi and Rathbone all play...) They buy out Eriksson because it gains them cap space and saves the owner actual cash money. It also gets him, and all the negative PR around him, the &^@# off the team. They may very well make some of those other moves as well (though I question the wisdom of buying out Holtby and then signing a $2m+ backup...) and then they have even more wiggle room. If Myers gets exposed and selected in the ED, there's also his $6m off the books Improvement is/was always going to come from within/youth and bringing guys like Tryamkin back. All of which increase depth and pushes higher quality further down the roster. Just like last year, you're too worried about cap. not to completely dismiss it though, we will not have as many options as we would like to have. We don't know who will be out there for cap deals yet so freaking out is premature. If we can't sign another Gagner then thats OK too. The RFA deals are far more important than the mid-level UFAs we may or may not pick up this offseason. We'll probably also be limited in the talent pool available to us since Jim should only be looking for 1 year deals. So probably not prime pickings anyway. Edited April 3, 2021 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: not to completely dismiss it though, we will not have as many options as we would like to have. We don't know who will be out there for cap deals yet so freaking out is premature. If we can't sign another Gagner then thats OK too. The RFA deals are far more important than the mid-level UFAs we may or may not pick up this offseason. We'll probably also be limited in the talent pool available to us since Jim should only be looking for 1 year deals. So probably not prime pickings anyway. Well exactly, we were never going after say... Ovechkin this year. It wouldn't be time for a move like that even if we had $10m in spare cap. (And guys like him would be complaining about the cap hit if we did!) Growth from within, continue to age out vets, tweak the perimeter of the roster with some cheap, short term Covid depth. Edited April 3, 2021 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, aGENT said: Well exactly, we were never going after say... Ovechkin this year. It wouldn't be time for a move like that even if we had $10m in spare cap. (And guys like him would be complaining about the cap hit if we did!) Growth from within, continue to age out vets, tweak the perimeter of the roster with some cheap, short term Covid depth. the only big name on the R defence list is Hamilton... do we want him for 7 years? no. Do we want RNH for 7 years? no. Just don't see this being 'the year' for big UFA deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: the only big name on the R defence list is Hamilton... do we want him for 7 years? no. Do we want RNH for 7 years? no. Just don't see this being 'the year' for big UFA deals. I'd have some serious interest in Savard (edit: or Larsson)... Though not for 7 years. And really, he'd simply be an option to replace cap we already had moving out (Myers gets selected in the ED or Hamonic isn't back). Edited April 3, 2021 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, aGENT said: I'd have some serious interest in Savard... Though not for 7 years. And really, he'd simply be an option to replace cap we already had moving out (Myers gets selected in the ED or Hamonic isn't back). yeah thats the kind of thing I'll be expecting this offseason, maybe incremental upgrade around the edges. I hope Petey and Hughes don't do the holdout thing, it would be nice to get that done asap and if all 3 of Demko, Hughes and Petey can be locked up for under 19mil then there's actually a small amount of money available for a couple of upgrades like Savard if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Don't be confused I think the average NHL career is around 5 years and Edler has played close to 15? (Specializing in missing the point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I’m already excited about next year, which is actually only six months away. Here’s what I’d be hoping for: Petey Miller Boeser Podz Horvat Hoglander Virtanen Boyd Ferland Lind Beagle Motte Hughes Tryamkin Rathbone Schmidt Joulevi Myers Demko Holtby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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