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29 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Okay so sign Toffoli and who do you protect and who is exposed at the expansion draft. 
The long term choice of not resigning Toffoli is going to pay more dividends than signing Toffoli for the short term, when we still are the team who barely made it to a game 7 vs Vegas.

We cant keep icing the same team and expect to be magically better than Vegas and cup contenders. We need to make some short term sacrifices for long term success. We signed Loui Eriksson right around the same age as Toffoli. Do we want to keep throwing contracts at 29-30 year old players and expect to be cup contenders? Or do we draft and develop players at a young age and keep our core intact for much longer.

If we were competitive and we were potential contenders. Then yes sign Toffoli. But the reality is we arent there yet, we have the expansion draft to prepare for and we have contracts to juggle. You’d had to see Toffoli’s extension get in the way of resigning Boeser, Miller and Horvat in the next couple years.

This doesnt make any sense. We could lose Pearson in the expansion draft or sign him cheaper after the ED.

 

What will get in the way of signing those players is if Benning signs more bottom 6 level plauers to overpriced contracts. 

 

Toffoli in no way would have interfered with those contracts with all the upcoming cap space.

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19 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

For towards ? I would protect Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser, Miller,  Pearson, Toffoli, and either Motte or Lind. 

Okay so Motte/Lind are possibly exposed, MacEwan, Bailey, Hawryluk, Jasek, Palmi, Graovac, Gadjovich, Baertschi, Beagle, Sutter are all exposed. 
Why look to keep an aging player who will, mark my words will not replicate the same season, when the answer to that roster spot could be within the organization. Comes at a cheaper price, younger age and far more good years ahead.

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41 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

4 years isn't exactly long term plus if there was a player to spend 4.25 million it would be a player that can score 25 to 30 goals and not Jay Beagle, Antoine Roussel, or Brandon Sutter 

Wait a minute, i thought once you turned 30 in this league your a dried up vet.   Roll the dice you get what you get with these guys right?    Why the heck does a guy who only played 20 or so games combined, get so much air time?   Suppose we should have kept Geoff Sanderson back in the day... and make another idol sculpture and put it next to Sundins.   At least one of these guys is a HHOF, and not a career middle sixer, back the Sanderson, how many 40 goal seasons did he have again?   TT should and eventually will become just another footnote in our clubs history.   Didn't help us against Vegas.   Neither did Pearson for that matter didn't see any of the "cup experience" come through that's for sure.   Smart player knows where to go when there isn't anyone there yet.   But not worth the air time either. 

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8 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

This doesnt make any sense. We could lose Pearson in the expansion draft or sign him cheaper after the ED.

 

What will get in the way of signing those players is if Benning signs more bottom 6 level plauers to overpriced contracts. 

 

Toffoli in no way would have interfered with those contracts with all the upcoming cap space.

Toffoli is a RW.  So is Podz and Hogs plays both sides.     And so is JV.    If you've ever complained about signing a UFA stopgap, your making yourself a hypocrite for whining about TT.   

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3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Toffoli is a RW.  So is Podz and Hogs plays both sides.     And so is JV.    If you've ever complained about signing a UFA stopgap, your making yourself a hypocrite for whining about TT.   

Toffoli plays both wings bud. And he has 28 goals this year. Stop gaps are average players like Roussel, Sutter, Beagle, and even Pearson. Top scorers arent stopgaps. Toffoli made thos team better where it needs to be better. Top 6 scoring.

 

Plus transitioning from one wing to the other is the easiest transition in hockey.

 

Plus if you actually read what I said, Toffoli was on rw in my lineup. JV was gone. Hoglander, who even you say plays both sides, was on LW.

 

Anyone who cant admit not even offering him a contract to chase OEL was a Benning $&!# the bed decosion is just not objective about Benning at all.

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5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Toffoli plays both wings bud. And he has 28 goals this year. Stop gaps are average players like Roussel, Sutter, Beagle, and even Pearson. Top scorers arent stopgaps. Toffoli made thos team better where it needs to be better. Top 6 scoring.

 

Plus transitioning from one wing to the other is the easiest transition in hockey.

 

Plus if you actually read what I said, Toffoli was on rw in my lineup. JV was gone. Hoglander, who even you say plays both sides, was on LW.

 

Anyone who cant admit not even offering him a contract to chase OEL was a Benning $&!# the bed decosion is just not objective about Benning at all.

Many people failed to remember that Benning spent a whole week chasing OEL for no reason. Just because something is for sale doesn't mean you should buy. 

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9 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Toffoli plays both wings bud. And he has 28 goals this year. Stop gaps are average players like Roussel, Sutter, Beagle, and even Pearson. Top scorers arent stopgaps. Toffoli made thos team better where it needs to be better. Top 6 scoring.

 

Plus transitioning from one wing to the other is the easiest transition in hockey.

 

Plus if you actually read what I said, Toffoli was on rw in my lineup. JV was gone. Hoglander, who even you say plays both sides, was on LW.

 

Anyone who cant admit not even offering him a contract to chase OEL was a Benning $&!# the bed decosion is just not objective about Benning at all.

Bottom line is Toffoli is on the decline now. Sure he has 28 goals... in the Canadian division...... he has like what 1/3rd of his goals against us? We started with most condensed schedule, injuries and fatigue plagued us. Then we actually got hit with the plague.. and then we ended with 19 games in 30 days. Sign your toy Toffoli and tell me how many goals does he score and how much better in the standings do we finish?

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13 minutes ago, runtzguy said:

Many people failed to remember that Benning spent a whole week chasing OEL for no reason. Just because something is for sale doesn't mean you should buy. 

How accurate was this rumour, Same with Pietrangelo rumours. He pulled Schmidt out of left field during those rumours. Just like the rumours the previous season, they claimed he was in on whatever sweepstakes and then boom JT Miller is acquired out of nowhere without any rumours on inklings as to us pursuing him. I didnt hear a word about Schmidt or Miller in the rumour mills

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5 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Bottom line is Toffoli is on the decline now. Sure he has 28 goals... in the Canadian division...... he has like what 1/3rd of his goals against us? We started with most condensed schedule, injuries and fatigue plagued us. Then we actually got hit with the plague.. and then we ended with 19 games in 30 days. Sign your toy Toffoli and tell me how many goals does he score and how much better in the standings do we finish?

If Toffoli is on the decline with his 28 goals, difference making presence on MTL only because he plays in the Canadian division, lets hear how you plan on defending Tanner Pearson for his inability to score in the same role (declining????) or our entire bottom 6 for not having career offensive years (or even scoring a goal oncd in awhile). Or even how our team was much improved by letting Toffoli go only to end up last in the weakest division.

 

I would take Toffoli over anyone in this forward group not named Horvat, EP, Boeser, Miller, or Hoglander.

 

Every other team has dealt with a condensed schedule. And travel this year was the easiest the Canucks have ever had it.

 

Covid hit the Canucks. But had the Canucks followed protocol by not allowing players to practice whileawaiting a test result would it have hit them that hard? Doubtful. The Canucks caused that themselves.

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2 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

How accurate was this rumour, Same with Pietrangelo rumours. He pulled Schmidt out of left field during those rumours. Just like the rumours the previous season, they claimed he was in on whatever sweepstakes and then boom JT Miller is acquired out of nowhere without any rumours on inklings as to us pursuing him. I didnt hear a word about Schmidt or Miller in the rumour mills

Sorry bud. This OEL rumor was as solid as it gets. And your timeline is off. He traded for Schmidt after losing out on OEL (thank god he didnt get that trade done).

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51 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Okay so Motte/Lind are possibly exposed, MacEwan, Bailey, Hawryluk, Jasek, Palmi, Graovac, Gadjovich, Baertschi, Beagle, Sutter are all exposed. 
Why look to keep an aging player who will, mark my words will not replicate the same season, when the answer to that roster spot could be within the organization. Comes at a cheaper price, younger age and far more good years ahead.

Every one of those players is an acceptable loss in the expansion draft. And not one of them is going to replace Toffoli on our roster bud.

 

All of those players will still be exposed to protect Pearson. And Toffoli >>>>>>>>> Pearson to anyone with even half a brain.

 

Your argument makes literally no sense. Keeping Pearson and protecting him is the exact same thing except with a much worse player than Toffoli.

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34 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Bottom line is Toffoli is on the decline now. Sure he has 28 goals... in the Canadian division...... he has like what 1/3rd of his goals against us? We started with most condensed schedule, injuries and fatigue plagued us. Then we actually got hit with the plague.. and then we ended with 19 games in 30 days. Sign your toy Toffoli and tell me how many goals does he score and how much better in the standings do we finish?

Our leading goal scorer is Boeser with 20.

 

28 goals is on the decline though...derp

 

And the funniest part is you say our team is better by letting Toffoli go but in the next breath say he is only tearing it up in goals because he has feasted on our $&!#ty team.

 

Comedy gold bud. You are Benning's favorite kind of fan. Bends in knots to justify anything he does even when your argument makes no logical sense at all.

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34 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Sorry bud. This OEL rumor was as solid as it gets. And your timeline is off. He traded for Schmidt after losing out on OEL (thank god he didnt get that trade done).

Rumours aint solid. Their rumours, they dont have much weight. Sorry bud, but a rumour is just a rumour. The rumour was he was in on Peitrangelo.... turns out he was waiting on the Peitrangelo sweep stakes to be settled so he could scoop up Schmidt

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4 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Rumours aint solid. Their rumours, they dont have much weight. Sorry bud, but a rumour is just a rumour. The rumour was he was in on Peitrangelo.... turns out he was waiting on the Peitrangelo sweep stakes to be settled so he could scoop up Schmidt

Benning himself confirmed they tried to acquire OEL.  

 

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22 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Rumours aint solid. Their rumours, they dont have much weight. Sorry bud, but a rumour is just a rumour. The rumour was he was in on Peitrangelo.... turns out he was waiting on the Peitrangelo sweep stakes to be settled so he could scoop up Schmidt

So because you choose to believe there is no truth to a rumor verified by several sources to be true, we should just magically pretend Benning isnt the dimbulb who lost out on Toffoli because he was too busy chasing maybe the only contract left in the nhl that will wind up worse than Eriksson's?

 

Sure bud.

 

He was chasing OEL hard. The only oneleft who doesnt believe that is you.

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1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Every one of those players is an acceptable loss in the expansion draft. And not one of them is going to replace Toffoli on our roster bud.

 

All of those players will still be exposed to protect Pearson. And Toffoli >>>>>>>>> Pearson to anyone with even half a brain.

 

Your argument makes literally no sense. Keeping Pearson and protecting him is the exact same thing except with a much worse player than Toffoli.

I am not your buddy, pal.


You are okay with letting Gadjovich go, before finding out what he is capable of? Or for that matter any player under 25??? Thats the Gillis approach that left us in this mess.

You’d happily expose potential and retain regression? Toffoli is on the inevitable downward trajectory. This is not a great year to use as a measuring stick, the scheduling was horrendous, the level of competition was down due to divisional restrictions.

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