Lynn Valley Library Stabbings, Multiple Victims

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Horrible news....far too close to home.  Not that it makes it any lesser anywhere else.

 

Thoughts are with those out that way.  Some on the scene have indicated a "stabbing".

 

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Multiple people were taken to hospital as police responded to a serious incident in North Vancouver on Saturday.

BC Emergency Health Services said it was called to the area of Lynn Valley Road and 29th Avenue around 1:45 p.m.

 

Six people were transported to hospital in unknown condition.

BC EHS said it deployed 11 ambulances and two supervisors to the scene.

The Lynn Valley Library said it was closed for the remainder of the day, and the Lynn Valley Village asked people to avoid the area.

North Vancouver RCMP confirmed it was responding to an incident in the area, but was unable to immediately provide more details.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7724025/six-people-taken-to-hospital-north-vancouver/?utm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=%40globalbc

 

 

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#UPDATE: North Vancouver RCMP have confirmed the incident in Lynn Valley this afternoon was a multiple stabbing. One suspect is in custody.

 

[Silky mitts]

Prayers to the victims. What a disgusting act.

[86Viking]

19 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

 

Wish they would just avoid the trial and throw the person in jail for good, better yet wish we had the death penalty...would save us tax payers millions per year if all the disgusting pedophiles etc just got a nice injection and went to sleep...vs a free ride paid for by us. Sadly Canada is such a soft country and our system is so broken tough penalties don't get enforced nearly enough!

[Gurn]

4 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

Wish they would just avoid the trial and throw the person in jail for good, better yet wish we had the death penalty...would save us tax payers millions per year if all the disgusting pedophiles etc just got a nice injection and went to sleep...vs a free ride paid for by us. Sadly Canada is such a soft country and our system is so broken tough penalties don't get enforced nearly enough!

A very ill informed take.

Wish to live somewhere they don't have trials?   Feel free to move.

Edited March 28, 2021 by gurn

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Spoiler

 

Warning:  some graphic footage of the alleged suspect as he's being apprehended.  (Hint:  he stabs himself in the leg)

[elvis15]

18 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Wish they would just avoid the trial and throw the person in jail for good, better yet wish we had the death penalty...would save us tax payers millions per year if all the disgusting pedophiles etc just got a nice injection and went to sleep...vs a free ride paid for by us. Sadly Canada is such a soft country and our system is so broken tough penalties don't get enforced nearly enough!

Uh, wow. Or, in this case, Canada could go "softer" and include mental health in our free healthcare and maybe this could have been avoided.

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We live in a very scary world these days.  Corny, but I feel it's up to each and every one of us to do what we can to share love, empathy, warmth and kindness whenever possible.  To be a good society we have to be...good people.  I have my moments ... but immediately regret them when I do.  Road rage.  Impatience/intolerance.

 

I'm reserving judgement on this until we learn more....even mental illness is something that's more tragic than criminal if that's present in this.  Edit:  see Elvis has already expressed this...so true.

 

There's so much going on these days...women being followed by creepy individuals who don't seem to be scared off easily.  It's a lot to process ... especially during COVID when our walks outside are life preservation to some degree.  Going to the library to pick up some books....

 

Madness....I feel for every single one of the victims who were likely just going about their business on a Saturday afternoon to meet a fate no one could plan for.   Hope they recover from the injuries and the trauma.

[Fanuck]

13 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Warning:  some graphic footage of the alleged suspect as he's being apprehended.  (Hint:  he stabs himself in the leg)

That's not the least bit graphic in my view deb,   I've seen worse on Sat morning cartoons.   

 

Thoughts out to the victims in this unfortunate incident.   The rates of mental illness related violence just doesn't seem sustainable in society - would really like to see those in positions to make decisions take some more effective action on this issue. 

[Gnarcore]

35 minutes ago, gurn said:

A very ill informed take.

Wish to live somewhere they don't have trails?   Feel free to move.

He's also wrong about the death penalty saving money....it costs WAY more.

[stawns]

34 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

Uh, wow. Or, in this case, Canada could go "softer" and include mental health in our free healthcare and maybe this could have been avoided.

exactly right

[Gurn]

B.C. used to have a hospital for the mentally ill, but the pproperty was worth a fortune. So they shut it down, moved every one out and sold the land.

Turf every one into the community, then paid lip service, instead of actual money and programs, to expanding community help.

[JM_]

8 minutes ago, gurn said:

B.C. used to have a hospital for the mentally ill, but the pproperty was worth a fortune. So they shut it down, moved every one out and sold the land.

Turf every one into the community, then paid lip service, instead of actual money and programs, to expanding community help.

senior management salaries went up though, so there's that 

[spur1]

At least it wasn’t an AR15. 

[GoCanucks16]

22 minutes ago, gurn said:

B.C. used to have a hospital for the mentally ill, but the pproperty was worth a fortune. So they shut it down, moved every one out and sold the land.

Turf every one into the community, then paid lip service, instead of actual money and programs, to expanding community help.

The hospital was barbaric. It should have been shut down.

[Gurn]

21 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

The hospital was barbaric. It should have been shut down.

Dumping people on the streets is barbaric.

Hospital could be upgraded or rebuilt elsewhere.

Place needed a review to go through it, change some truly old school ideas.

What happened fixed nothing and only added to the public and patient danger levels, not cool.

 

 

Edit for mistaking GoCanucks16 for Canuckster86

comment about trials removed.     Apologies to GoCanucks16

Edited March 28, 2021 by gurn

[GoCanucks16]

13 minutes ago, gurn said:

Dumping people on the streets is barbaric.

Hospital could be upgraded or rebuilt elsewhere.

Place needed a review to go through it, change some truly old school ideas.

What happened fixed nothing and only added to the public and patient danger levels, not cool.

 

 Now what about your desire for no trials?

 

Anyone with sense would rather live on the streets than in a hospital regardless of any "upgrades" to it. It's not a good life. In fact, it's highly inhumane to keep people locked away.

 

I don't think anyone is at significantly more risk of "danger" as a result of the closing of Riverview and challenge you to prove your point.

 

I never said anything about trials.

Edited March 28, 2021 by GoCanucks16

[Gurn]

2 minutes ago, GoCanucks16 said:

 

 

I never said anything about trials.

From my post above:

Edit for mistaking GoCanucks16 for Canuckster86

comment about trials removed.     Apologies to GoCanucks16

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[Gurn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverview_Hospital_(Coquitlam)

Impact of closure[edit]

In 1992 about 8,000 of the yearly emergency admissions to Vancouver's mental health facilities were people with both drug addictions and mental illnesses. The reason is stated that “Port Coquitlam's Riverview Hospital is being emptied, and the sick are being thrown to the coyotes”.^[27]

Joseph Noone, the clinical director psychiatrist-in-chief at Riverview in 1992 claimed that A Draft Plan to Replace Riverview Hospital had “magical faith that the Social Credit government would follow through on its promises to expand services in the community once they had downsized this hospital”. Noone claims that he was suspicious of the report since its publication. Noone also stated that 1,000 patients were brought in and shipped out of Riverview annually.^[27]

The 1990 “Mental Health Initiative” stated that the provincial government would invest $26 million in additional funding over the following 10 years. But only the first payment was initiated and in 1992, the second payment was 18 months overdue.^[27]

The Greater Vancouver Mental Health Services had only 115 full-time workers with over 4,000 patients in the same year. Ex-patients of Riverview were often left without help or financial aid which caused them to flock toward the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver.^[27]

Mark Smith, director of Triage, a shelter in Vancouver stated that “there is zero available housing for these people – not even flop houses”. He also says that much of the time, Riverview would try to discharge their patients right into the overnight shelter. He claims that the mass discharges were turning the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver into a mental health ghetto. He also mentioned that many of his clients that had recently been discharged from Riverview (mostly schizophrenics) would commit suicide shortly after discharge due to failure to properly medicate from lack of professional supervision.^[27]

Andrew Wan, a Kitsilano mental health worker stated that in 1992, the conditions of privately run boarding homes are often no better than others. The places are run-for-profit so they skim over expenses.^[27]

In 2013 the mayor of Maple Ridge stated he was concerned with the number of people with mental illness who were living on the street in the Lower Mainland. His council is pushing to re-open Riverview Hospital to help solve the problem.^[28]

On September 20, 2013, the BC Government rejected the recommendation of the Union of BC Mayors to re-instate Riverview Hospital. The reason the Premier gave was that re-institutionalization is not the solution to homelessness or drug addiction. Instead there is "a new set of problems we need to deal with" (September 27, 2013 qtd by Bev Gutray and Marina Morrow). Gaps in the community health care system are what need to be addressed (September 27, 2013 Gutray and Morrow).^[29]

The Valleyview building, one of the last buildings onsite to close, began to be demolished in 2016. The building has been recently altered to be used in the film Godzilla (2014) and was still in modern hospital conditions - conservationists had hopes to save the building so that it could be reopened but demolition went ahead.^[30]

In 1994-95 expenditures on mental health services in BC were up by 34% over 1990-91. The BC government had invested the overdue money in the health care system.^[31]

In April, 1996 the Vancouver Management Resource Group stated that the Vancouver Health Board was in the process of developing a budget based on the assumption that decreases in Federal transfer payments would mean a status quo or reduced budget overall for 1996/1997".^[31] The increased funding was very short-lived.

Optimistically, the same 1996 report stated that due to numerous media reports about the crisis in the current system that suggested the downsizing of Riverview was leading to unacceptable pressure on the rest of the system, the Riverview Board recommended, and the Ministry supported to stop further downsizing of Riverview inpatient beds until the system stabilized.^[31]

The press releases by the Provincial Health Services Authority indicated that conditions had improved seven years later. In 2003, three new mental health facilities had opened in Prince George, Kamloops and Victoria. Along with the new buildings 80 patients from Riverview were discharged. They did not indicate whether beds had been implemented for the patients who had already been discharged prior to the construction of the three new buildings that were immediately filled with then-Riverview patients.^[15]

In 2002 there were 800 beds at Riverview. The stakeholders meeting stated that by 2007 there would be 920 specialized mental health beds located in smaller hospitals throughout British Columbia but neither dates, places, nor names were given. No mention of sites opening in the city of Vancouver were mentioned either.^[15]

At the 2004 Stakeholders meeting, it was stated that there were 84 new beds in mental health housing facilities in British Columbia. From 2003 to 2004, 4 beds were officially written to have been added. At the same meeting it was stated that by 2007, over 400 newly developed mental health beds will open in the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health Authorities, a 520-bed decrease from what was stated the previous year. At the same meeting President of PHSA Mental Health Services Leslie Arnold stated “A comprehensive transition care plan, including input from family members, is developed from each RVH patient prior to transfer”.^[15]

[Kenny Blankenship]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

That's not the least bit graphic in my view deb,   I've seen worse on Sat morning cartoons.   

 

Thoughts out to the victims in this unfortunate incident.   The rates of mental illness related violence just doesn't seem sustainable in society - would really like to see those in positions to make decisions take some more effective action on this issue. 

I’ve seen footage of the same incident but a closer view. It’s the suspect attempting to cut his own wrist in a pretty violent manner. Fairly graphic stuff.