grouse747 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 simple question, would re-resigning one of the 3 have made it very tricky to give QH and EP the long-term contracts they deserve? or did we not re-sign any of them to give us some flexibility to add a few much cheaper pieces over the next couple of years? I think Toffoli was the obvious one to keep......... Markstrom would have been the no-brainer without Demko here. I did go back 5 or 6 pages of the forum to try to find a Markstrom/Tanev/Toffoli thread to append this question.. no luck. thanks in advance ... and it's not a rhetorical question. I actually don't know/remember the answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse747 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 and no, I don't think Toffoli would have made a big difference for the Canucks this season. just another nice piece.... and you can make a strong argument that the Canucks need another top defenseman, not another forward. maybe should have kept TT and moved someone else and of course, his goal count would be way down as he wouldn't be playing the Canucks lastly, I do know the NHL has a hard or close to hard salary cap....... whereas in the NBA you can always re-sign your own players (subject to some conditions and possibly financial penalties) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse747 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 I forgot about picking up Nate Schmidt and Holtby...... while we already had glut of good forwards compared to defensemen.... I think we should have kept TT and traded another forward. also, two young goalies would have been fine in my opinion....... such a volatile position anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 This isn’t hindsight as it was my thoughts at the time. Re-Sign Toffoli and Stecher Let Markstrom and Tanev walk if their demands were too high. That would have cost us Virtanen, Hamonic, and probably meant a cheaper back up than Holtby. Maybe would have even needed to buy out a player if we wanted Schmidt... maybe not pretty close. The downside would have been that maybe Hoglander doesn’t get as good a chance if Toffoli is there. It would be hard to believe he wouldn’t have at least starter on the 3rd line even if Toffoli was there. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Provost said: This isn’t hindsight as it was my thoughts at the time. Re-Sign Toffoli and Stecher Let Markstrom and Tanev walk if their demands were too high. That would have cost us Virtanen, Hamonic, and probably meant a cheaper back up than Holtby. Maybe would have even needed to buy out a player if we wanted Schmidt... maybe not pretty close. The downside would have been that maybe Hoglander doesn’t get as good a chance if Toffoli is there. It would be hard to believe he wouldn’t have at least starter on the 3rd line even if Toffoli was there. Benning never even talked to Tanev which pissed him off, he only tried to call him when he found out he was signing in Calgary 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Squamfan said: Benning never even talked to Tanev which pissed him off, he only tried to call him when he found out he was signing in Calgary That is true. It isn’t impossible that we could have gotten him on a cheaper contract or less term. We probably would have had to give him a NMC for expansion, but we have the extra protection slot for that anyways. On the other hand, I probably would have only gone $4 million x 3 years for Tanev max at the time... and he probably earned more than that and deserved to cash in for his final contract. No hard feelings at all, the timing of it expiring was just a year too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khay Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, grouse747 said: and no, I don't think Toffoli would have made a big difference for the Canucks this season. just another nice piece.... and you can make a strong argument that the Canucks need another top defenseman, not another forward. maybe should have kept TT and moved someone else and of course, his goal count would be way down as he wouldn't be playing the Canucks lastly, I do know the NHL has a hard or close to hard salary cap....... whereas in the NBA you can always re-sign your own players (subject to some conditions and possibly financial penalties) Not letting Montreal add Toffoli would have made a big difference. Toffoli is a defensively sound winger who knows where to go to score goals. I think he would have given us few more points, and take away few points from Montreal. By not re-signing Marky, Tanev, and Toffoli we gained the cap flexibility moving forward, especially Marky with that monster 6 year contract. But I agree that we should've moved some contracts to keep at least one of Tanev or Toffoli. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Squamfan said: Benning never even talked to Tanev which pissed him off, he only tried to call him when he found out he was signing in Calgary The free agency was poorly handled. Instead of retooling for the next two seasons, we could be making the playoffs and making some noise. If right moves were made, we could be coming out of the North division -- although I don't give much of a chance to any team that comes out of the North division when it comes to winning the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Squamfan said: Benning never even talked to Tanev which pissed him off, he only tried to call him when he found out he was signing in Calgary Is this true? Just an absolute joke if that's actually how it went down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 ...a legal time machine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) Edited March 28, 2021 by higgyfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, higgyfan said: I don't think the season would have gone any better with the former players. Of the 3, I would prefer Toffoli; especially his very friendly contract. Going forward, I'd rather the team have Demko (not being taken by Seattle), Schmidt (ED protected) and Hoglander's 1st season success +(ED exempt). It's unfortunate the team may have to carry Holby for another year though. I also look forward to the Entry Draft with a top 5-7 pick as well as, an improved team next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Not having Toffoli now certainly sucks, but it does mean there is ~4.25 in cap space that will be available in the next few years that otherwise would not be there. If this can be put to good use in time it's possible that there can be some positive externalities from not signing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I was always on the re-sign Tanev train, and on the fence with Marky, but leaning towards re-sign. I felt Toffoli was unnecessary. No idea how it works out, but I do think re-signing Petey, Hughes, and to a lesser degree (though not that much lesser now) Demko, was a big reason. Additionally, with the raise that Marky was going to need, we would've been very tight or even over the cap already this year, never mind getting Petey or Hughes to big contracts for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 We gained 2 more years worth of complaining about useless jake by not signing toffoli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 Cap space in 2 years when the core is ready to contend for a cup. 5 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I dont think Benning could have handled free agency more poorly if he tried. Toffoli was a great fit and at the price Montreal got him it was a nobrainer to keep him. The chain reaction of him in the lineup instantly gives options that might have made for a better 3rd line too. I was fine with letting Markstrom go but using Toffoli or Tanev money to sign Holtby was a bonehead move. Goaltending has not been a Canucks problem at all in what 20 years? That signing just showed no confidence in Demko imo. And its stunted Dipietro too as he could at least be getting some games as a backup if they dont want to send him down. Tanev I think would have signed for cheaper and less term to stay. How Benning treated him was brutal if reports are true. Stecher at 1.75 mil? No brainer to keep imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Squamfan said: Benning never even talked to Tanev which pissed him off, he only tried to call him when he found out he was signing in Calgary Tanev was given an offer and said he would sleep on it. A short while later his deal with Calgary was announced. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pears Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 Not giving a 30+ year old injury prone goalie a 6x6 is one of them. Can we please stop beating this topic to death? 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Tanev was given an offer and said he would sleep on it. A short while later his deal with Calgary was announced. Nope u have it wrong. No offer was made , no communication with Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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