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15 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal] Horvat + Miller + 1st and Rathbone for Jack Eichel, and what 2022-2023 would look like
 

Pure hypothetical, let’s say the above takes place.    After next season, when all of Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel are off the books, our core would look like the following:

 

Hoglander-Eichel-Boeser

####-Pettersson-Podkolzin

####-####-####

Motte-###-###
 

####-Schmidt

Hughes-Tryamkin

Juolevi-Myers

 

Demko

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-2 young Franchise centers

-2 elite dmen (one young)

-1 elite young goalie

 

If you are a UFA looking to join “the next big thing,” would YOU say no to the above based on the core pieces in tact?

Worst proposal ive seen in years

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4 hours ago, garthsbutcher said:

Worst proposal ive seen in years

Yes, god forbid, someone try and put together a realistic proposal in trying to land a franchise center to form a 1-2 combo with another franchise center in order to create something similar to what Pittsburgh had in its heyday.  Time to eat my poo flavored corn flakes as a result I guess.

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7 hours ago, Jester13 said:

This is the first time I've laughed at someone's post that wasn't meant to be funny, but this proposal is just simply laughable. What an overpayment. 

We can agree and disagree as to whether we should be going after Eichel or not (and FWIW, I probably wouldn’t make the Eichel deal for reasons stated in this thread by others), but you’re living in a fool’s paradise if you think the price tag for landing a young franchise center would be lower than what I suggested.  

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2 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

We can agree and disagree as to whether we should be going after Eichel or not (and FWIW, I probably wouldn’t make the Eichel deal for reasons stated in this thread by others), but you’re living in a fool’s paradise if you think the price tag for landing a young franchise center would be lower than what I suggested.  

You've just simply overpaid with our captain 200ft player in Bo, our leading scorer and amazing assistant captain, a blue chip D prospect, AND a 1st. Maybe listen to everyone saying what I'm saying and you the only one proposing an overpayment. It's not us. It's you. 

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Canucks have alot of good pieces.  Don't think it's worth it to swing for the fences for Eichel that would decimate our depth and prospect pool.  Would rather get Reinhart.  He's a good 2nd/3rd line centre and his salary fits in our current $$ structure. 

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3 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

Yes, god forbid, someone try and put together a realistic proposal in trying to land a franchise center to form a 1-2 combo with another franchise center in order to create something similar to what Pittsburgh had in its heyday.  Time to eat my poo flavored corn flakes as a result I guess.

Realistic , lol

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Horvat plus Miller >>>>> Eichel as of right now.   The only thing that makes this better for us is long term, and that's worth consideration.    I think Buffalo is a complete underachieving mess.   

 

One deal i would consider, is Horvat plus  something for Dahlin.   That would replace Edler and yes we'd have to add.

 

DIR you are on to something, doubt the fanbase or management wants to go there but the idea of trading Horvat and Miller, slowing down things for awhile, maybe losing two years of playoffs as a result too, is a lot like what COL did when they traded Barrie and then Duchene.   Both these guys are close to becoming UFAs and getting paid the big bucks.    How many on this site truly believe we will win a cup before that happens?   Figure we have good odds at the playoffs next year in our own division.   Great odds the following year. If we want to extend our window, this sort of deal makes sense.   

 

Edit:  On Horvat.  Ten playoff goals "what are you going to do about Horvat" (reporter question to Berube lol priceless - leading goal scorer at the time and also on pace to set a club record)... Every other team in the league would love this guy.   

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10 hours ago, Jester13 said:

You've just simply overpaid with our captain 200ft player in Bo, our leading scorer and amazing assistant captain, a blue chip D prospect, AND a 1st. Maybe listen to everyone saying what I'm saying and you the only one proposing an overpayment. It's not us. It's you. 

It might be me against the world, but just remember.......I know Kung Fu.  ;-)

 

In all seriousness I do get what you’re saying and it’s also the reason why I wouldn’t make this deal myself (although the idea is extremely tempting).  Sometimes, it’s just good to get arguments from the other side in order to re-enforce an existing opinion.

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On 3/31/2021 at 12:22 AM, Azzy said:

Ignoring the actual trade, because you don't trade your captain, this particular phrase was a surprise.

 

I'll give you Hughes, though it's looking increasingly likely that he's going to need a Tanev next to him for the whole of his career. But who out of Schmidt / Tryamkin / Juolevi and Myers are 'elite'?

Eichel is not McDavid, Crosby or MacKinnon.  I would never make this trade.  I do agree that we need to find an elite defenseman to play with Hughes.  Tanev like in being responsible in his own end but still with some offensive capabilities.  Also, someone with some grit to be able to stand up for Hughes and his teammates.

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3 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

It might be me against the world, but just remember.......I know Kung Fu.  ;-)

 

In all seriousness I do get what you’re saying and it’s also the reason why I wouldn’t make this deal myself (although the idea is extremely tempting).  Sometimes, it’s just good to get arguments from the other side in order to re-enforce an existing opinion.

Kung-Fu is fun to watch on TV, they always kick-ass.   However in actual competition, they aren't used to being hit, and lose to Mauy Thai and boxers or any actual contact sports all the time.   It's a lot different in real life when contact occurs.   It's pretty funny watching one mixed martial artist who's actually being in the ring a bunch of times, go easy on these "experts" and destroy them.    I'd recommend Mauy Thai, done Karate and Tae Kwon Do, massive difference.   Sure Bruce Lee and a few other masters would likely do fine in actual contact.   But the vast majority, unless they've been trained taking a punch, would get destroyed my a middling Mauy Thai fighter or average boxer.   Not to denigrate the sport, but most are major pussies compared to the guys that accept contact and do it five times a week, without just going through the motions and three times a year putting on the pads for belt tests. 

 

Miller and Horvat are the boxers/Mauy Thai guys in this analogy.   Would rather keep two of those instead of one Kung-Fu master like Eichel lol - and yes sorry i'm just taking the piss out of you.   DIR, like i said before, the concept of trading both for sure had merit.   Still doubt the fanbase, ownership and management has the patience for it.   Would add two years to our "rebuild".     If done properly, it for sure could increase the odds of winning a cup, which is really the purpose right? 

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On 3/30/2021 at 10:49 PM, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal] Horvat + Miller + 1st and Rathbone for Jack Eichel, and what 2022-2023 would look like
 

Pure hypothetical, let’s say the above takes place.    After next season, when all of Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel are off the books, our core would look like the following:

 

Hoglander-Eichel-Boeser

####-Pettersson-Podkolzin

####-####-####

Motte-###-###
 

####-Schmidt

Hughes-Tryamkin

Juolevi-Myers

 

Demko

#####

 

-2 young Franchise centers

-2 elite dmen (one young)

-1 elite young goalie

 

If you are a UFA looking to join “the next big thing,” would YOU say no to the above based on the core pieces in tact?

Dude, stick to EA NHL trades...

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Kung-Fu is fun to watch on TV, they always kick-ass.   However in actual competition, they aren't used to being hit, and lose to Mauy Thai and boxers or any actual contact sports all the time.   It's a lot different in real life when contact occurs.   It's pretty funny watching one mixed martial artist who's actually being in the ring a bunch of times, go easy on these "experts" and destroy them.    I'd recommend Mauy Thai, done Karate and Tae Kwon Do, massive difference.   Sure Bruce Lee and a few other masters would likely do fine in actual contact.   But the vast majority, unless they've been trained taking a punch, would get destroyed my a middling Mauy Thai fighter or average boxer.   Not to denigrate the sport, but most are major pussies compared to the guys that accept contact and do it five times a week, without just going through the motions and three times a year putting on the pads for belt tests. 

 

Miller and Horvat are the boxers/Mauy Thai guys in this analogy.   Would rather keep two of those instead of one Kung-Fu master like Eichel lol - and yes sorry i'm just taking the piss out of you.   DIR, like i said before, the concept of trading both for sure had merit.   Still doubt the fanbase, ownership and management has the patience for it.   Would add two years to our "rebuild".     If done properly, it for sure could increase the odds of winning a cup, which is really the purpose right? 

An old asian man once told me that Kung Fu nowadays is a dance (watered down) and doesn't teach the killing / crippling strikes.

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