JM_ Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Provost said: I don't think anyone suggested he was a flake. The position has such small margins of error that guys lose their technique and fall off all the time... even the most highly touted players. There are a lot of guys with a couple of amazing years and then their play took a massive tumble, a lot more than names like Luongo who had a decade or more of high end play. Do you remember superstars like Jim Carey, Rick DiPietro. Leighton, Scrivens, Huet, Jose Theodore, Hammond, etc, etc. Heck Markstrom isn't a flake and was coming off a couple of Vezina calibre seasons bailing our team out. He doesn't look too good at the moment. There is no long term goalie signing that isn't a significant risk... it is the nature of the position. fair enough, but I just don't get the same worried feeling I did when thinking about us giving Marky 6x6. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Life under Chris Gear. Truly a beautiful place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 Are you kidding me? 5x5, what a signing!? Wow. great job JB And Congratulations Demko. I am stoked for this guy. Great move all around 4 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 So over 9 million total spent on Goaltending. Isn't this what Vancouver was trying to avoid back in 2012? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) This is a really good deal for both sides. Demko absolutely deserves to get paid and he's been shown confidence that he's the number 1 guy moving forward. No more question marks in net. Notice how the negative media in this town didn't have the inside sources for this Demko deal? Their focus was pushing the Pearson narrative. Edited March 31, 2021 by Dazzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethunder Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, iinatcc said: So over 9 million total spent on Goaltending. Isn't this what Vancouver was trying to avoid back in 2012? Thankfully Holtby just has one more year on that deal. Next season will be another cash strapped one but after that hopefully there's room to maneuver a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Will be interesting to see who they get as Demko's backup from next season onwards. I doubt Seattle will pick Holtby the way he's played so he's probably going to be our 4M backup next season and play 20 games (in a 82 game schedule) at least. Meanwhile, DiPietro is rusty and lost a year of development so I wonder, if/when Holtby does leave us, who JB will go out and get as a backup. There's not too many decent goalies coming into free agency in the next couple of years. I think Demko will be ready to become our starter whenever Holtby's done so we don't necessarily need an old veteran backup, just someone capable of 20-30 games and winning at least half of them would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said: Somehow Judd Brackett will get credit for this hahaha You're funny No credit for his development, or his signing, but he may never have been here to sign if it wasn't for Brackett. https://thecanuckway.com/2020/05/09/canucks-losing-judd-brackett-colossal-mistake/ Brackett has been a part of the Canucks since 2008, starting off as a scout primarily in the USHL and then getting the big promotion in 2015 to the director of amateur scouting. His expertise is in the States and is widely credited for drafting players from the NCAA like Brock Boeser, Thatcher Demko and Quinn Hughes. While scouting is a team job that requires input from a bunch of different people, it’s no question that his experience with American players has played a huge role in the young American stars that the Canucks have been able to draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Very nice! By the end of the contract, we should know if DiPietro is an NHL caliber goalie or not. I don't think we could have done much better than this, either for $$$ or for term. If Demko keeps up his current caliber of play, he will be one of the best bargains in the NHL by year 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Will be interesting to see who they get as Demko's backup from next season onwards. I doubt Seattle will pick Holtby the way he's played so he's probably going to be our 4M backup next season and play 20 games (in a 82 game schedule) at least. Meanwhile, DiPietro is rusty and lost a year of development so I wonder, if/when Holtby does leave us, who JB will go out and get as a backup. There's not too many decent goalies coming into free agency in the next couple of years. I think Demko will be ready to become our starter whenever Holtby's done so we don't necessarily need an old veteran backup, just someone capable of 20-30 games and winning at least half of them would be nice. Already is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) It will be REALLY interesting to see how the cap gets worked out this summer. We now have $61 million committed to 12 players, with our two biggest stars needing extensions. That means unless money moves out, we need to keep the combined Petterson/Hughes contracts around $12 million, leaving an average of $1 million per remaining 8 players to get to just a 22 man roster. Something will have to give.... goodbye Pearson for one. Unless expansion rescues us by taking on Myers, or we use assets to trade money, it is a bad year next year to find well performing roster players for cheap. Tryamkin - $2 million Podkolzin - $1 million Edler - $3 million Lind - $900k Rathbone - $900k Hamonic - $2 million Miller-Petterson-Boeser Podkolzin-Horvat-Hoglander Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen Motte-Beagle-Lind MacEwan Hughes-Hamonic Edler-Schmidt Juolevi-Myers Rathbone-Tryamkin Demko Holtby Edited March 31, 2021 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, iinatcc said: So over 9 million total spent on Goaltending. Isn't this what Vancouver was trying to avoid back in 2012? Terrible take, I'm sorry. Are you really going to find negatives about this deal? It's not about the amount, but the term. 5 years is a great term for both sides. Demko gets a nice payraise. The Canucks get to control the cap, knowing exactly how much money will be allocated to goaltending. Then they can spend the rest somewhere else. So if you want to look at it from "9 million total spent on goaltending", that's a really strange and narrow minded way of looking at it. 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) I was thinking 4mill x 2 bridge, guess JB saw enough to go long on the Demko train. Either way pretty decent deal for both parties. Edited March 31, 2021 by 24K PureCool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, iinatcc said: So over 9 million total spent on Goaltending. Isn't this what Vancouver was trying to avoid back in 2012? For one year? When weren’t 100% sure Demko would take the reigns right away. Get a grip 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Jim's betting on a solid person. Kid isn't a flake in the least. I didn't consider a Holtby buyout, but you're right its a massive savings year 1 with only a 500k cap hit. Year 2 is a bit steep at 1.9 but they may need to do this for cash flow needs. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/braden-holtby#results It looks like almost zero cap hit next year, and 2 mil the next year? Moneywise we'd lose a million or so over the duration if we signed a minimum $$ backup? Am I reading this right? If so it's a no brainer if pressed for cap space, and a heck of a convenient solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, Dazzle said: Terrible take, I'm sorry. Are you really going to find negatives about this deal? It's not about the amount, but the term. 5 years is a great term for both sides. Demko gets a nice payraise. The Canucks get to control the cap, knowing exactly how much money will be allocated to goaltending. Then they can spend the rest somewhere else. So if you want to look at it from "9 million total spent on goaltending", that's a really strange and narrow minded way of looking at it. Plus that 9 million combo is only for next year IF (and that's a big if) we keep Holtby for next year (he could be a valuable commodity next year at the TDL) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, kilgore said: You're funny No credit for his development, or his signing, but he may never have been here to sign if it wasn't for Brackett. https://thecanuckway.com/2020/05/09/canucks-losing-judd-brackett-colossal-mistake/ Brackett has been a part of the Canucks since 2008, starting off as a scout primarily in the USHL and then getting the big promotion in 2015 to the director of amateur scouting. His expertise is in the States and is widely credited for drafting players from the NCAA like Brock Boeser, Thatcher Demko and Quinn Hughes. While scouting is a team job that requires input from a bunch of different people, it’s no question that his experience with American players has played a huge role in the young American stars that the Canucks have been able to draft. But if that were the case, why did Demko re-sign with the Canucks? Why didn't he go somewhere else and demand a trade? Demko likes Vancouver for obvious reasons, with a big reason on stability here. He likes his teammates and the city. Brackett no doubt deserves credit, but people are so disillusioned with Benning that they're taking away all his credit and splashing it over Brackett, for the sake of rationalizing their hate on the former. That's hilariously bad. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 52 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: There's no precedent for a goalie with less than 100 games played getting much more than that. Binnington has a career save percentage similar to Demko's and if you added his 4.4x2 and the first three years of his 6x6, you get 26.8 over 5 years. Demko gets a slight discount for not being bridged and for the security. It's pretty much exactly where I think everyone expected the contract to be so there shouldn't be much of the whole "take that JB HATEORZ" when there's no precedent for goalies getting much more or much less. You forgot the fact that Demko would have been a UFA in 2 years and could have just signed a short term deal to bet on himself so he could really cash in in a couple of years as a UFA. So yes Benning should take credit for getting him signed long term and buying 3 UFA years. But I guess the Benning haters have to bash something... 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Squamfan said: But did Benning really sign this I think Thatcher partied too hard in the time of this last week and they made him sign it while he was under the influence...?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Dazzle said: But if that were the case, why did Demko re-sign with the Canucks? Why didn't he go somewhere else and demand a trade? Demko likes Vancouver for obvious reasons, with a big reason on stability here. He likes his teammates and the city. Brackett no doubt deserves credit, but people are so disillusioned with Benning that they're taking away all his credit and splashing it over Brackett, for the sake of rationalizing their hate on the former. That's hilariously bad. When something goes bad Benning needs to be fired. When something goes good credit needs to be given to everyone and anyone, except Benning. The Benning haters have no shame... 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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