wallstreetamigo Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, King Heffy said: I have a nasty suspicion you're right and he'll need to be bought out, but I'm hoping Benning knows otherwise. How often do overpaid players retire early and leave that much money on the table? Not very often. No chance he retires imo. And honestly I dont blame him. Benning will probably buy him out or just keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Ok, I have to defend Benning on this end, STOP BRINGING UP TOFFOLI! We didn't have cap space for both Tofu and Pearson this year. It is not an equitable comparison. Well yea, that's what happens when you sign Pearson like contracts. Point is, Benning doesn't learn. We have no idea the extent of what the Canucks have missed out on by being in perpetual cap trouble. One thing we know is that we missed out on Toffoli because of it. Instead of thinking ahead, dumbo signs another Beagle, Rousell, etc contract in Pearson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, grandmaster said: This. Pods was supposed to be in the top 6 and assist with the salary mess that JB has created. I guess he missed the common sense memo on that. gar is a junk metric made up by people that dont understand that you cant base metric from a average of stats based on ten years of data. 10 years ago we were playing left side lock. It is flawed. that being said this combination of stats is even more useless when they dont consider defensive stats. RAPM on the other hand doesn't use algorithms to calculate a players performance and is a very useful tool. pearson plays against elite players and does a pretty good job. Edited April 9, 2021 by Petey_BOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Benning won’t get fired since I doubt anyone else wants to work for the meddling terrible owner we have . We are &^@#ed . its the reason by Lombardi declined when he reached out to him. He is currently is not working or is senior advisor to the flyers but wither way not making the money he would make has gm or POHO. I mean there 32 GM jobs and won't you want another shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 54 minutes ago, spur1 said: Please ... you have no idea if you think now is a dark time ... lift your head in the air ... smell what JB is cooking. It smells like fish and rotten eggs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Randy Johnson said: He’s not worth more than 1.75 in this day and age. Benning should be demoted to assistant to the travelling janitor Welcome to the board feel free to ask other posters on how hockey works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Arrow 1983 said: a 7 and 6 dman does not need to make 1.3 it isn't that simple 5.2/4 is not how it works Yes I am aware $1.3m is the average cost. But we only have 3 signed, so we need a #4, #5, #6, #7 Dman right? #7 could be Rathbone = $0.925m #6 could be Juolevi = $1.25m Leaves $3m to sign a #4 and #5 Dman. So that will be $1.5m each (on average). Not great. JB will be keeping his fingers crossed that Myers is selected. And he will have to buy out Holtby. And likely buy out Loui + Roussel too I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: How often do overpaid players retire early and leave that much money on the table? Not very often. No chance he retires imo. And honestly I dont blame him. Benning will probably buy him out or just keep him. “Only” 3mill base salary after his final 1mill bonus is paid in July iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, wildcam said: That i big money for bottom 6 forward and we don't have extra money? We have 24 million cap .. Demko - 5 million X 5 yrs -- signed Petey -- 7.5 million -- 3 yrs ?? Not signed Hughes - 7 million X 3 yrs - Not Signed Podkolzin - 950,000 X 3 yrs - entry level Gaudette - Least 950,000 - 1 yr -- Not signed Juolevi - Leaat 850,000 --- Not signed Vesey - 850,000 -- Not signed Haamonic -- 2 million X 2 years -- Not signed ------- Top pairing D mana --- More important then Pearson --- Pearson -- 3.2 million X 3 -- Just crazy to sign him so early? We will now don't have enough money to sign other players more important then bottom 6 forward like Pearson... Crazy 29 next season.... You're making a LOT of assumptions, including that we aren't going to make trades, and that we are going to resign Vesey, and Hamonic and you're not taking into account that we will lose someone to Expansion draft. On pretty much every team in this league, Pearson is a middle 6 guy who plays a 200 foot game. Benning tracks everyone he has to resign and knows exactly how much space he needs to do it and assemble the whole team. NO ONE else on here, does. Not me, not you, definitely not anyone in the media! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Duodenum said: Well yea, that's what happens when you sign Pearson like contracts. Point is, Benning doesn't learn. We have no idea the extent of what the Canucks have missed out on by being in perpetual cap trouble. One thing we know is that we missed out on Toffoli because of it. Instead of thinking ahead, dumbo signs another Beagle, Rousell, etc contract in Pearson. I'm on your side now but I am sick of people saying they would rather have Toffoli! That was never a choice so stop with that bs. But yes. JB showed he never learned from his mistake and should be let go because of it. But at this point I feel this goes beyond JB and bringing in a new guy ain't gonna fix the problem. Bottomline, we need new ownership! Edited April 9, 2021 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Ok, I have to defend Benning on this end, STOP BRINGING UP TOFFOLI! We didn't have cap space for both Tofu and Pearson this year. It is not an equitable comparison. It's disingenuous to ignore the why though. The problem with Benning has always been his player valuations. It caught up to us this year and it will continue to bite us in the ass until we do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: How often do overpaid players retire early and leave that much money on the table? Not very often. No chance he retires imo. And honestly I dont blame him. Benning will probably buy him out or just keep him. How often do players get told they will be spending the year in the AHL with no chance of getting into an actual game? Benning needs to play hardball with this lazy piece of garbage and make his life miserable if he insists on continuing to attempt to disgrace the franchise with his pitiful excuse for effort. Most guys have at least some pride. Edited April 9, 2021 by King Heffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 H0: There is no correlation between the following variables: frequency of Pearson being in the lineup and likelihood of winning. H1: There is a correlation between the following variables: frequency of Pearson being in the lineup and likelihood of winning. Our p-value is below 0.05 so our model is statistically significant. The Pearson Correlation value of 0.083 indicates there is an extremely weak correlation between the two variables. The low correlation tells us that an increase in the frequency of Pearson being in the lineup does not increase the likelihood of winning. We are unable to accept the alternative hypothesis. We can conclude that there is no correlation between the following variables: frequency of Pearson being in the lineup and likelihood of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, guntrix said: It's disingenuous to ignore the why though. The problem with Benning has always been his player valuations. It caught up to us this year and it will continue to bite us in the ass until we do something about it. See post above yours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, wildcam said: That i big money for bottom 6 forward and we don't have extra money? We have 24 million cap .. Demko - 5 million X 5 yrs -- signed Petey -- 7.5 million -- 3 yrs ?? Not signed Hughes - 7 million X 3 yrs - Not Signed Podkolzin - 950,000 X 3 yrs - entry level Gaudette - Least 950,000 - 1 yr -- Not signed Juolevi - Leaat 850,000 --- Not signed Vesey - 850,000 -- Not signed Haamonic -- 2 million X 2 years -- Not signed ------- Top pairing D mana --- More important then Pearson --- Pearson -- 3.2 million X 3 -- Just crazy to sign him so early? We will now don't have enough money to sign other players more important then bottom 6 forward like Pearson... Crazy 29 next season.... after this year, I'd bet Petey and Hughes get 5ish each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: How often do players get told they will be spending the year in the AHL with no chance of getting into an actual game? Benning needs to play hardball with this lazy piece of garbage and make his life miserable if he insists on continuing to attempt to disgrace the franchise with his pitiful excuse for effort. Most guys have at least some pride. Effort isn’t Eriksson's issue, age and declining talent is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Effort isn’t Eriksson's issue, age and declining talent is though. They're both issues. He simply isn't capable of playing in the NHL and there's a chance he might finally realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, stawns said: after this year, I'd bet Petey and Hughes get 5ish each. 6.5M x 2/3 years. Backloaded. Potential for 7.8M qualifying offer after the deal is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Effort isn’t Eriksson's issue, age and declining talent is though. I would agree with that if he actually performed to his contract in the first 3 years. Falling off a cliff the moment the ink was dry screams nonchalant attitude. NHL need a performance based contract termination of some sort. Never gonna happen but that would help stop players from just cashing in and do nothing. Edited April 9, 2021 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Junkyard Dog said: 6.5M x 2/3 years. Backloaded. Potential for 7.8M qualifying offer after the deal is done. I don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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