Well played Benning

[Arrow 1983]

Benning will have tons of Cap space in 2022-23 but will be well pressed to sign players this season including EP and QH.

 

The Cap math clearly shows these 2 are not getting 10 mill plus so that is clearly off the table.

 

But what is more interesting is that Benning has decided to signed Demko and Pearson prior to signing both EP and QH. I call this a smart play. He is filling in the roster around his 2 young stars and showing them what it cost to do so. I say well played. Well played indeed. 

 

As the Cap dollars dwindle down and QH as no negotiation rights and EP just slightly more I for one consider this a Great play by Benning.

 

If EP where to get offer sheeted no doubt would Benning match but at the same time it would take a chunk of money away from QH. I can start seeing this play out now. 2-3 year bridge deal 2 years at 6-6.5mill or 3 years at 6.5-7m. Makes them the highest payed players on the team as should be but doesn't break the bank and they are still RFA after the contracts.

 

That brings us to 2022-23, Roussel Beagle Eriksson and Lu are off the books. With only Boeser to be re-signed. That make 2022-23 the year to compete for a cup

 

As I recall Benning did say this team should be competing in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

[Ghostsof1915]

Yet, there was no joy in Mudville, as the CDC forums said the Mighty Benning has struck out. 

[khay]

Wait but this doesn't protect us from an offer sheet.

 

If someone offers EP and QH 5 year deal at 8-9 mil, how can we match?

 

Edit: or is QH not eligible for an offersheet?

Edited April 9, 2021 by khay

[Arrow 1983]

Just now, khay said:

Wait but this doesn't protect us from an offer sheet.

 

If someone offers EP and QH 5 year deal at 8-9 mil, how can we match?

 

before you type do your research QH can't be offer sheeted 

[AV.]

6 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Benning will have tons of Cap space in 2022-23 but will be well pressed to sign players this season including EP and QH.

 

The Cap math clearly shows these 2 are not getting 10 mill plus so that is clearly off the table.

 

But what is more interesting is that Benning has decided to signed Demko and Pearson prior to signing both EP and QH. I call this a smart play. He is filling in the roster around his 2 young stars and showing them what it cost to do so. I say well played. Well played indeed. 

 

As the Cap dollars dwindle down and QH as no negotiation rights and EP just slightly more I for one consider this a Great play by Benning.

 

If EP where to get offer sheeted no doubt would Benning match but at the same time it would take a chunk of money away from QH. I can start seeing this play out now. 2-3 year bridge deal 2 years at 6-6.5mill or 3 years at 6.5-7m. Makes them the highest payed players on the team as should be but doesn't break the bank and they are still RFA after the contracts.

 

That brings us to 2022-23, Roussel Beagle Eriksson and Lu are off the books. With only Boeser to be re-signed. That make 2022-23 the year to compete for a cup

 

As I recall Benning did say this team should be competing in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

Yes..that's the plan.

 

Waste nearly 40M of an 81M cap on a bunch of trash so that you can shoehorn your stars into signing bridge deals for way less than they will sign.

 

What a genius we have as GM.

[Arrow 1983]

2 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Yes..that's the plan.

 

Waste nearly 40M of an 81M cap on a bunch of trash so that you can shoehorn your stars into signing bridge deals for way less than they will sign.

 

What a genius we have as GM.

every signing Benning made, made sense at the time of the signing

[Junkyard Dog]

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Junkyard Dog

[khay]

9 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

before you type do your research QH can't be offer sheeted 

like you always do?

[khay]

17 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Benning will have tons of Cap space in 2022-23 but will be well pressed to sign players this season including EP and QH.

 

The Cap math clearly shows these 2 are not getting 10 mill plus so that is clearly off the table.

 

But what is more interesting is that Benning has decided to signed Demko and Pearson prior to signing both EP and QH. I call this a smart play. He is filling in the roster around his 2 young stars and showing them what it cost to do so. I say well played. Well played indeed. 

 

As the Cap dollars dwindle down and QH as no negotiation rights and EP just slightly more I for one consider this a Great play by Benning.

 

If EP where to get offer sheeted no doubt would Benning match but at the same time it would take a chunk of money away from QH. I can start seeing this play out now. 2-3 year bridge deal 2 years at 6-6.5mill or 3 years at 6.5-7m. Makes them the highest payed players on the team as should be but doesn't break the bank and they are still RFA after the contracts.

 

That brings us to 2022-23, Roussel Beagle Eriksson and Lu are off the books. With only Boeser to be re-signed. That make 2022-23 the year to compete for a cup

 

As I recall Benning did say this team should be competing in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

So EP gets offersheeted 8-9 mil and QH just accepts whatever Benning offers?

 

The very fact that a peer in your age group that performs similarly as you gets paid 8-9 mil immediately gives QH's camp negotiating power. QH could threaten to sit out like Marner did and no one would say he is unreasonable to do so.

 

The very reason why Marner was able to get 10+ mil was the fact that Matthews, who put up less numbers got 11 mil.

 

The day EP gets 8-9 mil is the day QH asks for the same amount or sits out.

 

Think before you type :p

 

[Arrow 1983]

6 minutes ago, khay said:

like you always do?

yes I do 

 

i try not to get the hockey stuff wrong

[Arrow 1983]

4 minutes ago, khay said:

 

So EP gets offersheeted 8-9 mil and QH just accepts whatever Benning offers?

 

The very fact that a peer in your age group that performs similarly as you gets paid 8-9 mil immediately gives QH's camp negotiating power. QH could threaten to sit out like Marner did and no one would say he is unreasonable to do so.

 

The very reason why Marner was able to get 10+ mil was the fact that Matthews, who put up less numbers got 11 mil.

 

The day EP gets 8-9 mil is the day QH asks for the same amount or sits out.

 

Think before you type :p

 

Different players EP a #1 center 

 

QH #1 d with multiple defensive holes in his game

 

The 2 really are not comparable. except they are on the same team

[Canuck Surfer]

33 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Benning will have tons of Cap space in 2022-23 but will be well pressed to sign players this season including EP and QH.

 

The Cap math clearly shows these 2 are not getting 10 mill plus so that is clearly off the table.

 

But what is more interesting is that Benning has decided to signed Demko and Pearson prior to signing both EP and QH. I call this a smart play. He is filling in the roster around his 2 young stars and showing them what it cost to do so. I say well played. Well played indeed. 

 

As the Cap dollars dwindle down and QH as no negotiation rights and EP just slightly more I for one consider this a Great play by Benning.

 

If EP where to get offer sheeted no doubt would Benning match but at the same time it would take a chunk of money away from QH. I can start seeing this play out now. 2-3 year bridge deal 2 years at 6-6.5mill or 3 years at 6.5-7m. Makes them the highest payed players on the team as should be but doesn't break the bank and they are still RFA after the contracts.

 

That brings us to 2022-23, Roussel Beagle Eriksson and Lu are off the books. With only Boeser to be re-signed. That make 2022-23 the year to compete for a cup

 

As I recall Benning did say this team should be competing in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

Good post.

 

Its also likely we will this off season;

 

1) Buyout Eriksson.  My math says the last year will cost us $3 mill real dollars (versus $4mill owed). Resulting in a $2.33 hit next year $1.33 next following.

2) Lose one of Holtby, Jake or Meyers to Seattle.

 

Save some salary in any case... 

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, khay said:

 

So EP gets offersheeted 8-9 mil and QH just accepts whatever Benning offers?

 

The very fact that a peer in your age group that performs similarly as you gets paid 8-9 mil immediately gives QH's camp negotiating power. QH could threaten to sit out like Marner did and no one would say he is unreasonable to do so.

 

The very reason why Marner was able to get 10+ mil was the fact that Matthews, who put up less numbers got 11 mil.

 

The day EP gets 8-9 mil is the day QH asks for the same amount or sits out.

 

Think before you type :p

 

Marner also had Toronto's salary structure with Johnny Pyjamas and abomination of a contract Dumbass gave Double Flamingo.

[Arrow 1983]

7 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Good post.

 

Its also likely we will this off season;

 

1) Buyout Eriksson.  My math says the last year will cost us $3 mill real dollars (versus $4mill owed). Resulting in a $2.33 hit next year $1.33 next following.

2) Lose one of Holtby, Jake or Meyers to Seattle.

 

Save some salary in any case... 

Might not be able to buy out Holtby

 

NHL expansion draft, NHL buy out period needs to line up haven't checked but the expansion draft will have to occur first or we won't comply to the expansion draft rules 

[24K PureCool]

Your assuming Benning can pull a universe brain level move.

[Josepho]

38 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

every signing Benning made, made sense at the time of the signing

So it's just bad luck that the vast majority of them didn't turn out and had nothing to do with Benning's piss-poor player evaluation or an incorrect assessment of what the team needed?

 

What would a signing have to do to be considered bad to you?

[Arrow 1983]

4 minutes ago, Josepho said:

So it's just bad luck that the vast majority of them didn't turn out and had nothing to do with Benning's piss-poor player evaluation or an incorrect assessment of what the team needed?

 

What would a signing have to do to be considered bad to you?

all signing are good at the time of the signing. the assumption goes like this. These people are NHL GMs so they might know something about the NHL player value.

 

"piss-poor player evaluation" if Benning is that bad explain to me how he drafts well.

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Benning will have tons of Cap space in 2022-23 but will be well pressed to sign players this season including EP and QH.

 

The Cap math clearly shows these 2 are not getting 10 mill plus so that is clearly off the table.

 

But what is more interesting is that Benning has decided to signed Demko and Pearson prior to signing both EP and QH. I call this a smart play. He is filling in the roster around his 2 young stars and showing them what it cost to do so. I say well played. Well played indeed. 

 

As the Cap dollars dwindle down and QH as no negotiation rights and EP just slightly more I for one consider this a Great play by Benning.

 

If EP where to get offer sheeted no doubt would Benning match but at the same time it would take a chunk of money away from QH. I can start seeing this play out now. 2-3 year bridge deal 2 years at 6-6.5mill or 3 years at 6.5-7m. Makes them the highest payed players on the team as should be but doesn't break the bank and they are still RFA after the contracts.

 

That brings us to 2022-23, Roussel Beagle Eriksson and Lu are off the books. With only Boeser to be re-signed. That make 2022-23 the year to compete for a cup

 

As I recall Benning did say this team should be competing in a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

I agree, he just laid it on the line for the two young guys.  Be a team player and understand the depth it takes to build a winner or be selfish and have no depth and languish in the middle for your career.

 

Neither one of them is irreplaceable at this point

[stawns]

14 minutes ago, Josepho said:

So it's just bad luck that the vast majority of them didn't turn out and had nothing to do with Benning's piss-poor player evaluation or an incorrect assessment of what the team needed?

 

What would a signing have to do to be considered bad to you?

the vast majority?  LE, sure, but that was market value at the time.  Still, I'll gve you that.  Roussel?  I'll give you that all day.  Other than that, he's been pretty good I think, though he's had bad luck with some of those players and injuries.

[DSVII]

This call is heavily reliant on how well Benning can negotiate UFA deals with Horvat and Miller and future depth signings. Yes, by forcing Petey and Hughes to signing bridge deals, we are set up to compete in 2022-2023, but the overlap of their bridge deals with our other members of the core is only for one year. Benning is officially out of cap space rope, and will need to make good value signings going forward.

 

Just a little spreadsheet with hypotheticals, using your numbers for the bridge. I do think it can be somewhere like 6.5 and 7. And keep in mind if someone offer sheets Petey for 9, we are hooped even if we match. Ever since Myers and Ferland, the team's cap situation is dangling on a tightrope.

 

Assuming we just bring up farm team prospects and just forget about competing due to cap issues in 2021-2022. Yes, we are set up for one year of competition where all the stars and numbers align (i'm assuming lower end raises for Miller, Horvat, Hogs and Boeser)

 

Long story short, with Benning's track record of negotiating with UFAs, you can forgive some of us for not being too excited about having a one year window of cost controlled competing where everything lines up. 

 

It's doable though. See how Benning navigates Horvat and Miller's extensions and what kind of contracts he wants to sign next year

 

And let's see what petey and hughes get first.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by DSVII