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1 hour ago, RWMc1 said:

Toronto shot themselves in the foot dealing with us as well. Nonuts probably thought he was being a shrewd negotiator when he demanded a salary retention at the last moment but he only succeeded in scuttling the deal.

 

It's not just JB. Teams have tried to take advantage before and JB turning down lowball offers was the first step in getting fair value in future negotiations.

 

And of course no matter what he did the whiners would have whined and some would still be whining about it to this day.

Whiners will continue to whine long after Benning and Green have moved on. There will always be whipping boys and scapegoats aplenty. It’s the nature of the beast on CDC.

 

Says me, who whines about the whiners. :P

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1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:

It's all about flexibility. Rather than seeing every buy out as a negative, they are a legitimate option, which could have benefits that outweigh any downside.

 

We MAY need to create cap space in 2021-22 with buy outs. Whether any buy outs are necessary will depend on how who may be selected in the Seattle expansion draft and next season's outlook for Beagle and Ferland. These are areas where JB has a lot more information than we do.

 

What is good to know is that, in addition to creating cap space if we require it, the buy outs of Eriksson and Hotlby would actually save real cash even when an equivalent or better replacement player is factored into the calculation.

 

This all will be weighed up against carrying a small legacy cap hit into 2022-23 from their buy outs. Bearing in mind that the 2022-23 season appears to be one where the Canucks have significant cap space available, this would not likely be a problem.

If the right player wants to play here, like Hamilton, then heck yes cash out.   But JB doesn't need to save 2-4 million next year just to plug a hole or two with meh like UFAs.   I'd be extremely disappointed if he that unless it was a short term thing as in a one year thing, in  which case i suppose it makes some sense.   JB IMO should be banking cap at this point, why i wasn't super happy to see Pearson re-singing at the time (since then and held back because when your assume anything, often you just make an ass of u and me when it comes to this stuff because we don't have close to all the data) - with perspective it now makes sense.   Didn't mind the deal at all, factually a pretty decent one... but i'd like JB to get over the LE signing at some point and try it again.  Horvat needs better wingers.   Our right hand D is lacking.    We need a better 3 C...

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6 hours ago, CanuckGAME said:

Maybe there is something to the disliked in the locker room rumors haha.

 

His thank you and Farwell Ig post was only acknowledged by 3 teammates. 

 

Usually the boys always comment on teammates leaving.

The only indication media wise, that we might have an issue with AG was his comments when we re-signed him.   Seemed very typical  millennial discourse.   Like he was destined for greatness but hadn't made up his mind yet and once he did "watch out".   I'm not at all concerned about this, JB has preached character since the start, and made short work of anyone who didn't fit the mould (McAan, Dahlen and now AG).   Yes if he was a "team guy" you'd think there might be some backlash.    Anyone who's played any sports knows that modesty goes a long long way as far as teammates go. 

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31 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If the right player wants to play here, like Hamilton, then heck yes cash out.   But JB doesn't need to save 2-4 million next year just to plug a hole or two with meh like UFAs.   I'd be extremely disappointed if he that unless it was a short term thing as in a one year thing, in  which case i suppose it makes some sense.   JB IMO should be banking cap at this point, why i wasn't super happy to see Pearson re-singing at the time (since then and held back because when your assume anything, often you just make an ass of u and me when it comes to this stuff because we don't have close to all the data) - with perspective it now makes sense.   Didn't mind the deal at all, factually a pretty decent one... but i'd like JB to get over the LE signing at some point and try it again.  Horvat needs better wingers.   Our right hand D is lacking.    We need a better 3 C...

If you take a realistic-to-optimistic view of our cap moves for next season, here is what may happen:

- Resign Pettersson 7m, Hughes 6m, Juolevi 1m, Vesey 1m

- Sign Podz 0.925m

- Both Beagle & Ferland on LTIR

- Waive Eriksson & Roussel to minors (saving $2.25m)

- Bowey fills D exposure requirement, so Myers will be protected. Holtby unlikely selected, so best cap loss for VAN would be Virtanen. Lets assume SEA selects JV.

 

This would give a 2021-22 roster with $9.3m in cap space and holes to be filled at 3C, 4C, plus two Dmen.

 

We are likely looking at UFA market or reserve list for the two Dmen. Probably two of Hamonic, Edler or Tryamkin are resigned at approx $2m each. Total cost about $4m, remaining space about $5.3m.


Hopefully, one of Lind/Jasek can be our 4C for about $1m. Remaining space $4.3m.

 

It seems likely we have to look at the UFA market to fill the 3C spot. This is not for a "meh" UFA fill-in, but for a genuine long term UFA 3C such as Lowry, who is probably looking for approx 4m x 4 year contract. So we sign Lowry with our remaining cap space. There are other options out there, including resigning Sutter for cheap, but I think Lowry is the best option and is pending UFA.

 

Roster becomes something like this:

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

Motte Lowry Podkolzin

Vesey Lind MacEwen

(Highmore)

 

Hughes Hamonic

Juolevi Schmidt

Tryamkin Myers

(Rathbone Bowey)

 

Demko

(Holtby)

 

 

That was all done with NO BUY OUTS, but this was also with a slightly optimistic view. Perhaps Beagle is healthy and so we still have him at 4C for $3m. Perhaps Seattle selects Gadjovich, so we still have Virtanen at $2.55m, etc.

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2 hours ago, PistolPete13 said:

Whiners will continue to whine long after Benning and Green have moved on. There will always be whipping boys and scapegoats aplenty. It’s the nature of the beast on CDC.

 

Says me, who whines about the whiners. :P

Don't worry, I've made a career of whining about whiners. It's why I frequent HFCanucks for the lols.

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59 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

This is not for a "meh" UFA fill-in, but for a genuine long term UFA 3C such as Lowry, who is probably looking for approx 4m x 4 year contract. So we sign Lowry with our remaining cap space.

Huge overpayment 

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1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:

If you take a realistic-to-optimistic view of our cap moves for next season, here is what may happen:

- Resign Pettersson 7m, Hughes 6m, Juolevi 1m, Vesey 1m

- Sign Podz 0.925m

- Both Beagle & Ferland on LTIR

- Waive Eriksson & Roussel to minors (saving $2.25m)

- Bowey fills D exposure requirement, so Myers will be protected. Holtby unlikely selected, so best cap loss for VAN would be Virtanen. Lets assume SEA selects JV.

 

This would give a 2021-22 roster with $9.3m in cap space and holes to be filled at 3C, 4C, plus two Dmen.

 

We are likely looking at UFA market or reserve list for the two Dmen. Probably two of Hamonic, Edler or Tryamkin are resigned at approx $2m each. Total cost about $4m, remaining space about $5.3m.


Hopefully, one of Lind/Jasek can be our 4C for about $1m. Remaining space $4.3m.

 

It seems likely we have to look at the UFA market to fill the 3C spot. This is not for a "meh" UFA fill-in, but for a genuine long term UFA 3C such as Lowry, who is probably looking for approx 4m x 4 year contract. So we sign Lowry with our remaining cap space. There are other options out there, including resigning Sutter for cheap, but I think Lowry is the best option and is pending UFA.

 

Roster becomes something like this:

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

Motte Lowry Podkolzin

Vesey Lind MacEwen

(Highmore)

 

Hughes Hamonic

Juolevi Schmidt

Tryamkin Myers

(Rathbone Bowey)

 

Demko

(Holtby)

 

 

That was all done with NO BUY OUTS, but this was also with a slightly optimistic view. Perhaps Beagle is healthy and so we still have him at 4C for $3m. Perhaps Seattle selects Gadjovich, so we still have Virtanen at $2.55m, etc.

Hate to lose Gadjovich.  He has 11 goals in 12 games - two today.  He loves to go to the front of the net like Big Bert.

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18 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

Hate to lose Gadjovich.  He has 11 goals in 12 games - two today.  He loves to go to the front of the net like Big Bert.

Agreed. Did I suggest that in my post?

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17 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

Hate to lose Gadjovich.  He has 11 goals in 12 games - two today.  He loves to go to the front of the net like Big Bert.

If he continues the way he has they’ll be forced to protect him.


Can’t give up on a prospect putting up better AHL numbers than any u23 prospect we’ve had in a long time.

 

Seattle would gladly snag up an ELC goal scorer with size from us. Benning better not think he can slip him under the radar.

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1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:

What do you think Lowry's next contract will be?

In the 3 million ballpark. His offensive game is lacking to be considered in the 4 range

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7 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

Agreed. Did I suggest that in my post?

End of your post.

 

That was all done with NO BUY OUTS, but this was also with a slightly optimistic view. Perhaps Beagle is healthy and so we still have him at 4C for $3m. Perhaps Seattle selects Gadjovich, so we still have Virtanen at $2.55m, etc.

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5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

If he continues the way he has they’ll be forced to protect him.


Can’t give up on a prospect putting up better AHL numbers than any u23 prospect we’ve had in a long time.

 

Seattle would gladly snag up an ELC goal scorer with size from us. Benning better not think he can slip him under the radar.

The way I see it...

Petey

Boeser

Miller

Bo

Pearson

....Are a given

 

That leaves 2 spots for...

Lind 

Gadjovich

Motte

Virtanen 

 

I'd expose Virtanen for sure but it would be tough to give Motte away.

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2 minutes ago, coryberg said:

The way I see it...

Petey

Boeser

Miller

Bo

Pearson

....Are a given

 

That leaves 2 spots for...

Lind 

Gadjovich

Motte

Virtanen 

 

I'd expose Virtanen for sure but it would be tough to give Motte away.

Tough to give up on Motte but we also can’t be walking away from a young budding power forward. And we’re gonna need as much cheap scoring as possible.

 

I try to make a deal with Seattle. They may value a 3rd round pick and a lesser prospect over Motte. Who knows?


I do know Motte has likely hit his peak and if Gadjovich hits his potential we would be kicking ourselves for protecting a bottom 6 energy guy over him.

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