[Trade] Canucks trade Adam Gaudette to Blackhawks for Matthew Highmore

[JM_]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Still think that finding our 3C upgrade via trade, especially with the ED pressure point on other teams, is better than getting in what will likely be a costly bidding war for Lowry. Sutter is then the backup plan. Should that fail

yeah but what I'm scared of if Jim giving Sutter a 2 year deal  please Jim, no.

 

I'm not all that worried about overpaying tbh, every team has it and sometimes its the right thing to do depending on need and what else you have to fill the other spots. 

 

Any thoughts as to who we could trade for tho? I think Ottawa hangs on to Tierney. 

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I think by next season he gets a serious look.

 

He would be a perfect bottom 6er on a cheap contract. We don’t currently have any player that brings his mix of size and skill.

one thing I do like about Green is he does allow players to earn spots in camp, so I suppose its up to him. I haven't watched any Utica games this year so I just wasn't sure how he was playing or if he was ready. 

[mll]

17 minutes ago, coryberg said:

I call bull@#*×

Brisebois says cap space has never been so valued because it’s so rare.

[aGENT]

14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah but what I'm scared of if Jim giving Sutter a 2 year deal  please Jim, no.

 

I'm not all that worried about overpaying tbh, every team has it and sometimes its the right thing to do depending on need and what else you have to fill the other spots. 

 

Any thoughts as to who we could trade for tho? I think Ottawa hangs on to Tierney. 

I'd be completely fine with something like $2x2 for Sutter. Especially with limited or no trade protection that second year.

 

Oh god, don't say that overpay word around these parts, you're liable to get strung up 

 

Really, I'm just not sure if it's the time to 'overspend' for that 'Malhotra' guy. I'm fine with another year or two of cheaper, solid 'training wheel' vets until Pettersson/Hughes get in their primes and support kids like Hoglander, Podkolzin, Lind, Jasek, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo etc get some miles under their skates at this level.

 

Haven't had time to look at expansion lists and see who's at risk of exposure and might have a prospect etc to replace that guy.

Edited April 14, 2021 by aGENT

[JeremyCuddles]

1 hour ago, coryberg said:

I call bull@#*×

With the cap being what it is for the next few years, I'd believe it.

[aGENT]

3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

With the cap being what it is for the next few years, I'd believe it.

Thing is, the longer time moves on with the cap flat, the more guys contracts expire and new contracts get signed at lower Covid rates... The less tight cap space overall becomes.

[wallstreetamigo]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I'd be completely fine with something like $2x2 for Sutter. Especially with limited or no trade protection that second year.

 

Oh god, don't say that overpay word around these parts, you're liable to get strung up 

 

Really, I'm just not sure if it's the time to 'overspend' for that 'Malhotra' guy. I'm fine with another year or two of cheaper, solid 'training wheel' vets until Pettersson/Hughes get in their primes and support kids like Hoglander, Podkolzin, Lind, Jasek, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo etc get some miles under their skates at this level.

 

Haven't had time to look at expansion lists and see who's at risk of exposure and might have a prospect etc to replace that guy.

I would be fine with Sutter at 2x2. Without a ntc or expansion protection guaranteed. But I think its pretty unlikely Benning would even suggest that type of haircut to Sutter. I think 3x3.5 with a ntc is more likely. Which imo is too much for Sutter.

[rekker]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I'd be completely fine with something like $2x2 for Sutter. Especially with limited or no trade protection that second year.

 

Oh god, don't say that overpay word around these parts, you're liable to get strung up 

 

Really, I'm just not sure if it's the time to 'overspend' for that 'Malhotra' guy. I'm fine with another year or two of cheaper, solid 'training wheel' vets until Pettersson/Hughes get in their primes and support kids like Hoglander, Podkolzin, Lind, Jasek, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo etc get some miles under their skates at this level.

 

Haven't had time to look at expansion lists and see who's at risk of exposure and might have a prospect etc to replace that guy.

I'd be fine with a stop gap replacement for Sutter if the replacement has more speed. Fast teams are really beating on us. We need more speed in the bottom six. 

[Me_]

5 minutes ago, rekker said:

I'd be fine with a stop gap replacement for Sutter if the replacement has more speed. Fast teams are really beating on us. We need more speed in the bottom six. 

I know someone who knows someone...

[aGENT]

8 minutes ago, rekker said:

I'd be fine with a stop gap replacement for Sutter if the replacement has more speed. Fast teams are really beating on us. We need more speed in the bottom six. 

Yeah again, this is why I think trade is the route we go for now ideally. But failing that preferred 'plan A', Sutter on a short, reasonable deal is a decent backup plan. Sutter also may not be a complete burner but he's not slow either. 

 

But  then we see another reason Benning targeted Highmore here...he's got speed and solid defensive play. Fits our team needs.

[rekker]

22 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yeah again, this is why I think trade is the route we go for now ideally. But failing that preferred 'plan A', Sutter on a short, reasonable deal is a decent backup plan. Sutter also may not be a complete burner but he's not slow either. 

 

But  then we see another reason Benning targeted Highmore here...he's got speed and solid defensive play. Fits our team needs.

Agreed. I am a Sutter fan for what he does bring. We could do worse and there may well be few options. Especially if Beagle is done. 

[wallstreetamigo]

44 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yeah again, this is why I think trade is the route we go for now ideally. But failing that preferred 'plan A', Sutter on a short, reasonable deal is a decent backup plan. Sutter also may not be a complete burner but he's not slow either. 

 

But  then we see another reason Benning targeted Highmore here...he's got speed and solid defensive play. Fits our team needs.

He is not an accomplished center though. Not sure I see him as an out of the gate Sutter replacement. Would be awesome though.

[aGENT]

Just now, wallstreetamigo said:

He is not an accomplished center though. Not sure I see him as an out of the gate Sutter replacement. Would be awesome though.

Wasn't talking about Highmore replacing Sutter... I was talking about trading to acquire a Sutter replacement/upgrade.

 

Also (separately) talking about bringing more speed (and solid defensive play) to the bottom 6. Highmore brings that (on wing).

[wallstreetamigo]

Just now, aGENT said:

Wasn't talking about Highmore replacing Sutter... I was talking about trading to acquire a Sutter replacement/upgrade.

 

Also (separately) talking about bringing more speed (and solid defensive play) to the bottom 6. Highmore brings that (on wing).

Hopefully Highmore lives up to the hype here.

 

Lets hope there is a trade for a player like that. 

[oldnews]

Reasonable hockey trade imo.

 

All the covid noise aside - couldn't care less to attempt to sort out all that rumouring/speculation/pointless noise.

 

Gaudette imo has no track to a spot on this roster.  The walls have been closing in on that reality for some time - and at this point - it was borderline written on the wall.  I suspect he's a player they would have willingly parted with previously, but I'm skeptical there was much market. 

I think the reality is that this is a reasonable reflection of his market value.

 

He's not an NHL center, period.  Absolutely nothing in his performance suggests that he's tracking towards viability as a center.

And this is a team with Boeser, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Virtanen, Lind as young RWs - not one of them would I consider Gaudette to be an asset more worth retaining.  Gaudette is the prototypical upside or bust forward - almost certainly a winger conversion at a position of next to no need moving forward.

Aside from a few veteran wingers and Benn - who was moved - there isn't a young player in the organization that it made more sense to move.

 

The contradictions in the expectations of the protests over his received value is obvious - on the one hand virtually anyone here could/should have the sense to realize that Gaudette has been sheltered from day one - that he was/is (remains) a liability without the puck - that his underlying numbers have been consistently poor, particularly relative to deployment - that his goal metrics, likewise (1.3 on ice goals for per 60 5on5 this season, 3.0 against, -13)....  The thing is - people here seem to want to on one hand make that admission - that he's not all that - and on the other - expect a greater return - and the kicker is this - every single team in the NHL knows what the would be armchairs here know about Gaudette - none of the above is a mystery or blindspot to any NHL franchise.

Consistently gives up far too much 5on5 - and that's while being sheltered with veterans.  Ironic to hear some suggestions that he was 'dragged down' by the likes of Sutter or Roussel - the opposite is the reality of it - Gaudette was the weak link that not only could not handle himself defensively, but his production has also been spotty, and he's limited the counterpunching of those defensive forwards whose bread and butter are ending possession and transitioning (powerplay time aside, Gaudette just was not a fit in the only real spots that were viable to utilize him) - and when it mattered the most, he came up with an egg in 10 playoff games.  

 

I'll take the young player we got - a guy with comparable upside imo - at a position of greater need - and call it a day.  Highmore not only broke into the AHL with a 24 goal rookie season (the references to the Shinkaruk trade thread are ironic in more ways than one) - but he had a solid playoffs last season, and unlike Gaudette, his 'lack' of production in his small sample in the NHL to date - has come in entirely different minutes than Gaudette - ie Highmore is at 37.8% ozone starts this year - with some spot duties as a secondary penalty killer (averaging more than a shift/game on the pk).  Longshot for longshot, while Highmore is the lesser cap hit, and Gaudette was likely a player to be walked away from in the offseason, particularly if he did not re-sign at a cut up front.

 

Best of luck to Gaudette - he turned out quite respectably as a 5th round pick that upticked - but in spite of a lot of opportunity, perhaps more than his performance commanded - he hasn't developed as a center at all.  I hate to generally refer to 'hockey intelligence' (because there is so much ignorance in so many of the posts that refer to players' perceived intelligence) -  but I'm not sure he's as gifted as any of his team-mates in that sense - there is literally no one as lost, as often without the puck as Gaudette (really hard to watch, actually).  But not for a lack of effort imo - I just don't think he's a 'natural' natural center.  I have no problem with moving on from him considering the relative wealth that team has at RW.  If covidiocy plays in on any level - it only underlines what I think was inevitable regardless - that his days here were numbered.

Welcome to Vancouver Matthew Highmore - looking forward to seeing what the speed, aggressiveness, and upside at previous levels translates into - at a position where the team could stand to - and will - move on from a veteran LW (or two).

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by oldnews

[aGENT]

4 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Hopefully Highmore lives up to the hype here.

 

Lets hope there is a trade for a player like that. 

What 'hype'? 

 

He's a 4th line/spare winger with speed, a good motor and solid defensive play. Well see how he does.

 

Apparently in Wally's world that equals = "CDC thinks Highmore is the next Bergeron!"

[-Vintage Canuck-]

[The Lock]

I had to think about this trade and decided not to react the 1st few days and I'm glad I did. If the rumours are true, it sounds like there were potential issues arising beyond having just a poor season. I don't want to jump to conclusions on things like these but I can see this trade being necessary. Is Highmore high value? Not really, but he's better than nothing.

[wallstreetamigo]

On 4/14/2021 at 2:31 PM, aGENT said:

What 'hype'? 

 

He's a 4th line/spare winger with speed, a good motor and solid defensive play. Well see how he does.

 

Apparently in Wally's world that equals = "CDC thinks Highmore is the next Bergeron!"

Jesus man. You are so fixated on flaming anything I say. When did I say he was anything but that?

 

I genuinely hope he lives up to the hype of his game fitting in well with the team. He is a question mark at this point. So I am simply rooting for him bud, calm down.

 

 

[wallstreetamigo]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

I think Gaudette might really fit in well in Chicago. They have a long history of getting a lot of value out of guys like that so I am rooting for him.