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34 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Players have to sign offer sheets. So if a team sent him a low one he would just tell them to f off lol.

yeah but that wouldn't change the fact that it was a low offer sheet and not a high one . A high offer sheet does his agents job and gives a ton of leverage weather EP would sign it or not a low one says other team wouldn't give up the picks So no extra leverage 

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7 minutes ago, Nurnge said:

yeah but that wouldn't change the fact that it was a low offer sheet and not a high one . A high offer sheet does his agents job and gives a ton of leverage weather EP would sign it or not a low one says other team wouldn't give up the picks So no extra leverage 

His agent would just ignore any low offer sheet. It wouldnt even be part of the discussion. And no team would lowball one anyway as they know it would just be matched. The only reason to send one is to make it large enough to get the player to sign and have a reasonable chance the other team cant match.

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16 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

His agent would just ignore any low offer sheet. It wouldnt even be part of the discussion. And no team would lowball one anyway as they know it would just be matched. The only reason to send one is to make it large enough to get the player to sign and have a reasonable chance the other team cant match.

I totally agree with that . Sorry I was trying to say that EP's agent might just not get the offer sheet he is looking for if that's his goal 

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1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I think all agents want to get big offer sheets lol

Nooo .... LOL    I think EP is better at his age than Henrik Sedin was at the same age and if he continues to get better and fill out he will become the best ever player to wear a Canucks uniform [ I don't count Messier he wasn't great here OK not even good OKOK he sucked ] . If I was a GM on another team and had the space I would be throwing a huge offer sheet at him . TL was my favorite player but I think Henrik was the best with Daniel and Bure close second . sorry for the long answer ....bored

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3 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I think all agents want to get big offer sheets lol

If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous.

 

If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. 

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4 minutes ago, zimmy said:

If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous.

 

If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. 

Doesnt mean Petey has to sign a big offer sheet. The effect will be similar just if he gets one and Barry lets Benning know its a possibility. Watch how fast a deal gets done then.

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38 minutes ago, zimmy said:

If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous.

 

If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. 

Unless, Quinn told Barry, let EP get what he can, if they can't afford me then, maybe me being American and getting a trade to NJD isn't bad either:unsure:

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1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Doesnt mean Petey has to sign a big offer sheet. The effect will be similar just if he gets one and Barry lets Benning know its a possibility. Watch how fast a deal gets done then.

I think JB is already fully aware that there is a possibility. I just don’t think you can draw blood from a stone. JP Barry knows this as well. 

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30 minutes ago, zimmy said:

I think JB is already fully aware that there is a possibility. I just don’t think you can draw blood from a stone. JP Barry knows this as well. 

Ya but if Barry gets a big offer sheet and goes to Benning with the number that makes it much more urgent for Benning. Its all about the leverage.

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47 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Ya but if Barry gets a big offer sheet and goes to Benning with the number that makes it much more urgent for Benning. Its all about the leverage.

Agreed that urgency is intensified but I’m not convinced there’s much compensation or term to gain in this situation.

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6 minutes ago, zimmy said:

Agreed that urgency is intensified but I’m not convinced there’s much compensation or term to gain in this situation.

Benning has stated that he would match. A GM isn't going to submit an offer sheet just so an agent can gain leverage. The only other motive would be to sabotage our cap structure. 

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48 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

Benning has stated that he would match. A GM isn't going to submit an offer sheet just so an agent can gain leverage. The only other motive would be to sabotage our cap structure. 

A GM would submit an offer sheet if they figured there was a possibility - despite what Benning says publicly - that the Canucks would be unable to match. 

 

There is more at play strategically as well other than just term and dollars. How an offer sheet is structured can make a difference not only financially to the player and the team but also can be designed to take the player right to UFA status or, if still an RFA at the conclusion, can set up a prohibitively high qualifying offer even if the team matches it.

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26 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

A GM would submit an offer sheet if they figured there was a possibility - despite what Benning says publicly - that the Canucks would be unable to match. 

 

There is more at play strategically as well other than just term and dollars. How an offer sheet is structured can make a difference not only financially to the player and the team but also can be designed to take the player right to UFA status or, if still an RFA at the conclusion, can set up a prohibitively high qualifying offer even if the team matches it.

If they know that we'll match, that would just be the agent forcing terms on us. Benning said that talks are progressing normally and that a deal will eventually be reached.

 

It's possible that he signs an offersheet, but I doubt that it happens.

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11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

If they know that we'll match, that would just be the agent forcing terms on us. Benning said that talks are progressing normally and that a deal will eventually reached.

 

It's possible that he signs an offersheet, but I doubt that it happens.

I am not assigning any liklihood he will or wont sign an offer sheet.

 

Other teams dont "know" the Canucks will match just based on Benning saying so. What Benning says publicly is mostly PR and probably hoping it acts as a deterrent to an offer sheet. That would not likely be part of any analysis a team preparing an offer sheet would rely on. They would be crunching the numbers and seeing how they could make it most likely to get the player. 

 

BTW, an agents entire job is getting the best deal they can for their client. They are not above using all means necessary and forcing terms on the GM if necessary.

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4 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I am not assigning any liklihood he will or wont sign an offer sheet.

 

Other teams dont "know" the Canucks will match just based on Benning saying so. What Benning says publicly is mostly PR and probably hoping it acts as a deterrent to an offer sheet. That would not likely be part of any analysis a team preparing an offer sheet would rely on. They would be crunching the numbers and seeing how they could make it most likely to get the player. 

 

BTW, an agents entire job is getting the best deal they can for their client. They are not above using all means necessary and forcing terms on the GM if necessary.

I'm assigning liklihood I didn't say that you were.

 

You're just talking in circles now restating things.

 

That's one of the reasons many here don't bother with you. Condescending crap. Telling me what an agent's job is. I was talking specifically about other GMs not allowing themselves to be used as a tool by an agent just so he can force terms on another GM.

 

I also get why a GM might consider it.  Go ahead and paraphrase yourself once again I guess.

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27 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

I'm assigning liklihood I didn't say that you were.

 

You're just talking in circles now restating things.

 

That's one of the reasons many here don't bother with you. Condescending crap. Telling me what an agent's job is. I was talking specifically about other GMs not allowing themselves to be used as a tool by an agent just so he can force terms on another GM.

 

I also get why a GM might consider it.  Go ahead and paraphrase yourself once again I guess.

As I said, another GM would not do it unless they had reason to believe through their own analysis that they could get the player. If the other agent can dictate terms to the original GM it increases the possibility they can get the player. Sinple as that. So neither side is a tool of the other, they are essentially both benefitting from that particular scenario in applying pressure to the original team. Its more win-win than someone getting used.

 

I dont think its likely we will see a signed offer sheet. But the longer it goes the greater the possibility.

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