ilduce39 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) If Petey signs an offer sheet I’ll buy a Matheson jersey. Edited July 31, 2021 by ilduce39 ….uuuunless we match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Players have to sign offer sheets. So if a team sent him a low one he would just tell them to f off lol. yeah but that wouldn't change the fact that it was a low offer sheet and not a high one . A high offer sheet does his agents job and gives a ton of leverage weather EP would sign it or not a low one says other team wouldn't give up the picks So no extra leverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nurnge said: yeah but that wouldn't change the fact that it was a low offer sheet and not a high one . A high offer sheet does his agents job and gives a ton of leverage weather EP would sign it or not a low one says other team wouldn't give up the picks So no extra leverage His agent would just ignore any low offer sheet. It wouldnt even be part of the discussion. And no team would lowball one anyway as they know it would just be matched. The only reason to send one is to make it large enough to get the player to sign and have a reasonable chance the other team cant match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: His agent would just ignore any low offer sheet. It wouldnt even be part of the discussion. And no team would lowball one anyway as they know it would just be matched. The only reason to send one is to make it large enough to get the player to sign and have a reasonable chance the other team cant match. I totally agree with that . Sorry I was trying to say that EP's agent might just not get the offer sheet he is looking for if that's his goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nurnge said: I totally agree with that . Sorry I was trying to say that EP's agent might just not get the offer sheet he is looking for if that's his goal I think all agents want to get big offer sheets lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think all agents want to get big offer sheets lol Nooo .... LOL I think EP is better at his age than Henrik Sedin was at the same age and if he continues to get better and fill out he will become the best ever player to wear a Canucks uniform [ I don't count Messier he wasn't great here OK not even good OKOK he sucked ] . If I was a GM on another team and had the space I would be throwing a huge offer sheet at him . TL was my favorite player but I think Henrik was the best with Daniel and Bure close second . sorry for the long answer ....bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) If things don't pan-out for EP40 with the canucks, there's always the reliable fallback for a guy with his skills.................he has all the qualifications. IKEA Food Co-worker (Swedish Meat Ball Journeyman cook)Food & Restaurant/Part Time Job description WHY WE WILL LOVE YOU • You have an amazing attention for details (like expiry dates and know how to change them so we don't waste anything) and can effortlessly juggle multiple competing priorities (and Meatballs), like making sandwiches and Meatballs at the same time and keeping your Meatball work station sparkling clean) • You are open to learning new Meatball recipes, have a general can-do attitude and are energized by teamwork with your Meatball team members. • You’re not the type to ever be caught cutting corners (except on Meatballs - so they're round) because you’re so Health-and-Safety-conscious • You have at least 6 months of customer service experience in a similar environment (preferred but not required) or 5 years of Swedish Meatball Consumption experience. • You are totally cool with working in a physically demanding, fast-paced, environment and working with Meatball employees. WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING DAY TO DAY • Preparing Meatballs according to forecasting needs • Escorting customers to the hospital.after Meatball Consumption Edited July 31, 2021 by RU SERIOUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think all agents want to get big offer sheets lol If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous. If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, zimmy said: If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous. If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. Doesnt mean Petey has to sign a big offer sheet. The effect will be similar just if he gets one and Barry lets Benning know its a possibility. Watch how fast a deal gets done then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, zimmy said: If JP Barry and his client Petey are determined to move on from the team and make a tidy windfall then I suppose a big offer sheet would be advantageous. If Petey wants to stay, if he is willing to sacrifice for the team, if JP Barry is hoping to reach a satisfactory outcome for his other client, Q, then he can’t possibly be of the mind to gouge JB when he is fully aware of how much capital is available for the both of them. Unless, Quinn told Barry, let EP get what he can, if they can't afford me then, maybe me being American and getting a trade to NJD isn't bad either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said: Doesnt mean Petey has to sign a big offer sheet. The effect will be similar just if he gets one and Barry lets Benning know its a possibility. Watch how fast a deal gets done then. I think JB is already fully aware that there is a possibility. I just don’t think you can draw blood from a stone. JP Barry knows this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, zimmy said: I think JB is already fully aware that there is a possibility. I just don’t think you can draw blood from a stone. JP Barry knows this as well. Ya but if Barry gets a big offer sheet and goes to Benning with the number that makes it much more urgent for Benning. Its all about the leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Ya but if Barry gets a big offer sheet and goes to Benning with the number that makes it much more urgent for Benning. Its all about the leverage. Agreed that urgency is intensified but I’m not convinced there’s much compensation or term to gain in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, zimmy said: Agreed that urgency is intensified but I’m not convinced there’s much compensation or term to gain in this situation. Benning has stated that he would match. A GM isn't going to submit an offer sheet just so an agent can gain leverage. The only other motive would be to sabotage our cap structure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Benning has stated that he would match. A GM isn't going to submit an offer sheet just so an agent can gain leverage. The only other motive would be to sabotage our cap structure. A GM would submit an offer sheet if they figured there was a possibility - despite what Benning says publicly - that the Canucks would be unable to match. There is more at play strategically as well other than just term and dollars. How an offer sheet is structured can make a difference not only financially to the player and the team but also can be designed to take the player right to UFA status or, if still an RFA at the conclusion, can set up a prohibitively high qualifying offer even if the team matches it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: A GM would submit an offer sheet if they figured there was a possibility - despite what Benning says publicly - that the Canucks would be unable to match. There is more at play strategically as well other than just term and dollars. How an offer sheet is structured can make a difference not only financially to the player and the team but also can be designed to take the player right to UFA status or, if still an RFA at the conclusion, can set up a prohibitively high qualifying offer even if the team matches it. If they know that we'll match, that would just be the agent forcing terms on us. Benning said that talks are progressing normally and that a deal will eventually be reached. It's possible that he signs an offersheet, but I doubt that it happens. Edited August 1, 2021 by RWMc1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: If they know that we'll match, that would just be the agent forcing terms on us. Benning said that talks are progressing normally and that a deal will eventually reached. It's possible that he signs an offersheet, but I doubt that it happens. I am not assigning any liklihood he will or wont sign an offer sheet. Other teams dont "know" the Canucks will match just based on Benning saying so. What Benning says publicly is mostly PR and probably hoping it acts as a deterrent to an offer sheet. That would not likely be part of any analysis a team preparing an offer sheet would rely on. They would be crunching the numbers and seeing how they could make it most likely to get the player. BTW, an agents entire job is getting the best deal they can for their client. They are not above using all means necessary and forcing terms on the GM if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I am not assigning any liklihood he will or wont sign an offer sheet. Other teams dont "know" the Canucks will match just based on Benning saying so. What Benning says publicly is mostly PR and probably hoping it acts as a deterrent to an offer sheet. That would not likely be part of any analysis a team preparing an offer sheet would rely on. They would be crunching the numbers and seeing how they could make it most likely to get the player. BTW, an agents entire job is getting the best deal they can for their client. They are not above using all means necessary and forcing terms on the GM if necessary. I'm assigning liklihood I didn't say that you were. You're just talking in circles now restating things. That's one of the reasons many here don't bother with you. Condescending crap. Telling me what an agent's job is. I was talking specifically about other GMs not allowing themselves to be used as a tool by an agent just so he can force terms on another GM. I also get why a GM might consider it. Go ahead and paraphrase yourself once again I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: I'm assigning liklihood I didn't say that you were. You're just talking in circles now restating things. That's one of the reasons many here don't bother with you. Condescending crap. Telling me what an agent's job is. I was talking specifically about other GMs not allowing themselves to be used as a tool by an agent just so he can force terms on another GM. I also get why a GM might consider it. Go ahead and paraphrase yourself once again I guess. As I said, another GM would not do it unless they had reason to believe through their own analysis that they could get the player. If the other agent can dictate terms to the original GM it increases the possibility they can get the player. Sinple as that. So neither side is a tool of the other, they are essentially both benefitting from that particular scenario in applying pressure to the original team. Its more win-win than someone getting used. I dont think its likely we will see a signed offer sheet. But the longer it goes the greater the possibility. Edited August 1, 2021 by wallstreetamigo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Id put money that no GM will offer petey a offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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