[Signing] Capitals re-sign Conor Sheary

[JM_]

1 hour ago, kanucks25 said:

After tax salary...

 

CDC continues to find new ways to amaze me 

over the last 3 years Pearson has been the better player - https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players[]=3611&players[]=4110&period=2020-2021%3AR%3A99

 

so how much better? I guess thats the question. 

[Josepho]

6 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

If you are actually comparing Conor Sheary to Tanner Pearson, come playoffs tell me which player you'd rather have?

 

Conor Sheary - 5'9 178lbs

Career PPG: .46

19/20 PPG: .36

 

Tanner Pearson - 6'1 200lbs

Career PPG: .46

19/20 PPG: .65

 

I know who I'm taking, every single dang day of the week. And it ain't even close

 

Get a grip

why exactly are you excluding their production from this season, and only cherrypicking pearson's best year of his career?

Edited April 14, 2021 by Josepho

[Simulation]

4 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

If you are actually comparing Conor Sheary to Tanner Pearson, come playoffs tell me which player you'd rather have?

 

Conor Sheary - 5'9 178lbs

Career PPG: .46

19/20 PPG: .36

 

Tanner Pearson - 6'1 200lbs

Career PPG: .46

19/20 PPG: .65

 

I know who I'm taking, every single dang day of the week. And it ain't even close

 

Get a grip

 

if there's a 14" laptop available for $700 vs the same/similar 15" laptop for $1400+ (more than 2x the price), most people would say stay away from the latter and go with the common sense decision.

[Whorvat]

1 minute ago, Josepho said:

why exactly are you excluding their production from this season

I don't think the format of how this season was done, is an accurate depiction on the player. Perhaps both players continue on with this years productions levels, but I think career numbers and their last 'full' season provides a better view

[Simulation]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

over the last 3 years Pearson has been the better player - https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players[]=3611&players[]=4110&period=2020-2021%3AR%3A99

 

so how much better? I guess thats the question. 

that literally shows Sheary is the better player rrn as he has the higher score given.

 

last 3 years? good to know we paid for a has-been who's best years are behind him whereas competent GM's don't do that for their middle of the lineup players on contract year's 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Whorvat said:

I don't think the format of how this season was done, is an accurate depiction on the player. Perhaps both players continue on with this years productions levels, but I think career numbers and their last 'full' season provides a better view

I posted the link to the last 3 years, and even strength they are very similar production-wise. Sheary does play lower minutes and no PK time. 

[JM_]

Just now, Simulation said:

that literally shows Sheary is the better player rrn as he has the higher score given.

thats just the line for 5 on 5 production. Sheary has no PK minutes either. 

 

Just now, Simulation said:

 

last 3 years? good to know we paid for a has-been who's best years are behind him whereas competent GM's don't do that for their middle of the lineup players on contract year's 

what the problem with 3 years? it shows what you'r getting in a veteran player.

[JM_]

so a 28 year old in Washington is great, but a 28 year old in Vancouver is a has-been?  

 

all this signing shows is Pearsons new deal should have been somewhere between Sheary's and the one he signed a few days ago. 

 

Pearson brings more size, he's useful in more situations, has scored more goals over the last 3 years. They're the same age.

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Jimmy McGill

[Whorvat]

3 minutes ago, Simulation said:

 

if there's a 14" laptop available for $700 vs the same/similar 15" laptop for $1400+ (more than 2x the price), most people would say stay away from the latter and go with the common sense decision.

Besides that being a pretty poor analogy, Pearson being his size vs Sheary size, he is able to be a kind of player that Sheary simply cannot

 

Any hockey mind in the world would prefer the bigger/heavier player come playoff time, if their offensive/defensive contributions are somewhat similar

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Besides that being a pretty poor analogy, Pearson being his size vs Sheary size, he is able to be a kind of player that Sheary simply cannot

 

Any hockey mind in the world would prefer the bigger/heavier player come playoff time, if their offensive/defensive contributions are somewhat similar

the rush to dump on Benning is high right now, you have to struggle to have an actual conversation at the moment 

[Simulation]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

so a 28 year old in Washington is great, but a 28 year old in Vancouver is a has-been?  

 

all this signing shows is Pearsons new deal should have been somewhere between Sheary's and the one he signed a few days ago. 

 

Pearson brings more size, he's useful in more situations, has scored more goals over the last 3 years. They're the same age.

 

No. Sheary isn't great. He wasn't paid like it either. He's slowly declining just as Pearson is.

 

Pearson is not great. He was paid like he is (more than his worth). 

 

everyone in hockey knows it, agents to reporters to fellow GMs. the JB experience lol

[JM_]

Just now, Simulation said:

No. Sheary isn't great. He wasn't paid like it either. He's slowly declining just as Pearson is.

 

Pearson is not great. He was paid like he is (more than his worth). 

 

everyone in hockey knows it, agents to reporters to fellow GMs. the JB experience lol

I agree he got overpaid, but he's a decent player. If his deal was 2.75aav it would be just fine. 

[Whorvat]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the rush to dump on Benning is high right now, you have to struggle to have an actual conversation at the moment 

These days it almost feels like, the more outrage you see for a Benning move on CDC, the better the move was for the Canucks

[Simulation]

6 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Besides that being a pretty poor analogy, Pearson being his size vs Sheary size, he is able to be a kind of player that Sheary simply cannot

 

Any hockey mind in the world would prefer the bigger/heavier player come playoff time, if their offensive/defensive contributions are somewhat similar

 

Sheary has better offensive contributions right now (TOI/PP vs production) and better corsi and has less giveaways than Pearson. I could care less about size if the size translates to less hockey efficacy compared to the price tags (main comparison im making, dont try to twist this into something else other than the contracts at hand).

 

using your analogy, you'd take Gudbranson over Stecher because ...size? u do u

[Josepho]

Pearson isn't "slowly declining", his numbers have gradually declined dramatically since the start of February 2020. There is a large enough sample size to see this.

[Simulation]

4 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

These days it almost feels like, the more outrage you see for a Benning move on CDC, the better the move was for the Canucks

hahaha yes, great off szn the past summer which translated well this season

 

the group took a huge step to build off last playoffs right? o , ye nevermind

[Whorvat]

4 minutes ago, Simulation said:

 

Sheary has better offensive contributions right now (TOI/PP vs production) and better corsi and has less giveaways than Pearson. I could care less about size if the size translates to less hockey efficacy compared to the price tags (main comparison im making, dont try to twist this into something else other than the contracts at hand).

 

using your analogy, you'd take Gudbranson over Stecher because ...size? u do u

I can tell you're incredibly proficient at comparing players. Given Stechers 3x more points than Gudbranson, we're using this years numbers as concrete, am I doing this right now?

Edited April 14, 2021 by Whorvat

[Josepho]

Who cares if Pearson is bigger?

 

I can just as easily say "Sheary has the kind of speed that you win with". It's easy to just pick and choose which player's attributes you think is more important.

[mordekai]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I agree he got overpaid, but he's a decent player. If his deal was 2.75aav it would be just fine. 

I totally agree with this. I thought Pearson should be 2.75aav as well but JB is a good guy so he threw in the extra 500k 

[JM_]

46 minutes ago, Josepho said:

Who cares if Pearson is bigger?

 

I can just as easily say "Sheary has the kind of speed that you win with". It's easy to just pick and choose which player's attributes you think is more important.

its just objective reality that Pearson brings more tools to a game than Sheary. Doesn't mean Sheary is a bad player, or that his deal is "better" than Pearson's.