[Report] Canucks recall Ashton Sautner, Olli Juolevi; assign Guillaume Brisebois, Tyler Graovac to taxi squad

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Hopefully OJ gets a chance to play some real minutes.  He ain’t going to learn from sitting in the press box or stapled to the bench.

[bbllpp]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Hopefully OJ gets a chance to play some real minutes.  He ain’t going to learn from sitting in the press box or stapled to the bench.

Tragedy of the Season, like playing Benn instead for a 6th at the deadline was worth more than 20ish games of experience for OJ nor made much of a difference in the standings 

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Juolevi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brisebois

[Nuxfanabroad]

Why Sautner? Are they hoping to send GB back to the AHL?

[Nave]

Reunite that Juolevi - Myers pairing.

[TNucks1]

1 hour ago, bbllpp said:

Tragedy of the Season, like playing Benn instead for a 6th at the deadline was worth more than 20ish games of experience for OJ nor made much of a difference in the standings 

had to do with the taxi squad and bonuses, didnt have the cap space or something like that, theres people here that explained it alot better, sure you could find it on the OJ thread shouldnt be to far back.

[bbllpp]

3 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

had to do with the taxi squad and bonuses, didnt have the cap space or something like that, theres people here that explained it alot better, sure you could find it on the OJ thread shouldnt be to far back.

Pretty sure we could’ve sent Benn to the Taxi squad instead but could be wrong 

[TNucks1]

Just now, bbllpp said:

Pretty sure we could’ve sent Benn to the Taxi squad instead but could be wrong 

think it was OJs Bonus that would sent us over the cap still, but should check out his thread, people explain it.

[bbllpp]

17 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

think it was OJs Bonus that would sent us over the cap still, but should check out his thread, people explain it.

Haven’t seen that one properly explained, my understanding is performance bonus overages push into the following year, Sending Benn down freed up 1.025 M in CAP which more than covered OJ’s 863 k CAP hit

 

Block Shots and +/- were the only 2 bonuses he was at risk of taking, pretty dick moves if this is why they did not play him.  Keep a guy down who was actually doing well

Edited April 20, 2021 by bbllpp

[higgyfan]

2 hours ago, bbllpp said:

Tragedy of the Season, like playing Benn instead for a 6th at the deadline was worth more than 20ish games of experience for OJ nor made much of a difference in the standings 

Kind of dramatic considering what's happened this season.

 

Imo, Benn played better than Joulevi. 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

50 minutes ago, bbllpp said:

Haven’t seen that one properly explained, my understanding is performance bonus overages push into the following year, Sending Benn down freed up 1.025 M in CAP which more than covered OJ’s 863 k CAP hit

 

Block Shots and +/- were the only 2 bonuses he was at risk of taking, pretty dick moves if this is why they did not play him.  Keep a guy down who was actually doing well

It’s because of LTIR. When you recall a player with ELC bonuses, while the team is using LTIR, then the entire AAV (including all ELC bonuses) needs to fit.

 

LTIR creates two “relief pools”: (1) salary relief and (2) performance bonus relief, which are determined by the contracts of the players placed on LTIR.

 

For example, Jay Beagle creates $3 million of salary relief, and $0 performance bonus relief.

 

Elias Pettersson creates $925K salary relief, and $2.85 million performance bonus relief.

 

Juolevi was an $863,333 cap hit, when he was sent down. But with LTIR, to recall Juolevi, the Canucks needed to fit his whole $1,713,333 (863,333 + 850K bonuses). 

They would need at least $863,333 in the salary relief pool and $850K in the performance bonus pool (or have enough salary relief to fit the whole thing).

 

But at one point, they had only around 300K total available in the relief pools, so they didn’t have enough space to recall Juolevi, even if swapped for Benn (and Benn waived and buried).

 

(Also, I doubt they’d have wanted to waive Benn, and send him to taxi squad to make room for OJ, as Benn likely have been claimed. Plus, Green just prefers playing Benn, and not without reason.)

 

Once the Canucks placed Pettersson on LTIR (I believe that was done March 19th or 20th), they probably* could have used the relief pools to bring up Juolevi.

*I’m not 100% sure they had enough salary relief, at that point in time (can’t remember), but I think they did.

 

And certainly once Beagle went on LTIR, IIRC around March 30th, they had more than enough in the relief pools, but by then we were getting into the Covid-19 outbreak and postponements.

 

[bbllpp]

11 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

It’s because of LTIR. When you recall a player with ELC bonuses, while the team is using LTIR, then the entire AAV (including all ELC bonuses) needs to fit.

 

LTIR creates two “relief pools”: (1) salary relief and (2) performance bonus relief, which are determined by the contracts of the players placed on LTIR.

 

For example, Jay Beagle creates $3 million of salary relief, and $0 performance bonus relief.

 

Elias Pettersson creates $925K salary relief, and $2.85 million performance bonus relief.

 

Juolevi was an $863,333 cap hit, when he was sent down. But with LTIR, to recall Juolevi, the Canucks needed to fit his whole $1,713,333 (863,333 + 850K bonuses). 

They would need at least $863,333 in the salary relief pool and $850K in the performance bonus pool (or have enough salary relief to fit the whole thing).

 

But at one point, they had only around 300K total available in the relief pools, so they didn’t have enough space to recall Juolevi, even if swapped for Benn (and Benn waived and buried).

 

(Also, I doubt they’d have wanted to waive Benn, and send him to taxi squad to make room for OJ, as Benn likely have been claimed. Plus, Green just prefers playing Benn, and not without reason.)

 

Once the Canucks placed Pettersson on LTIR (I believe that was done March 19th or 20th), they probably* could have used the relief pools to bring up Juolevi.

*I’m not 100% sure they had enough salary relief, at that point in time (can’t remember), but I think they did.

 

And certainly once Beagle went on LTIR, IIRC around March 30th, they had more than enough in the relief pools, but by then we were getting into the Covid-19 outbreak and postponements.

 

Cheers, begs to question why they put him on the Taxi Squad in the first place 

Edited April 20, 2021 by bbllpp

[bbllpp]

17 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Kind of dramatic considering what's happened this season.

 

Imo, Benn played better than Joulevi. 

Agreed, poor choice of words but Benn was not so much better that it made a big difference and he who knows how OJ would be playing with an extra 20 games 

Edited April 20, 2021 by bbllpp

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

16 hours ago, bbllpp said:

Cheers, begs to question why they put him on the Taxi Squad in the first place 

Yeah, when OJ went down, I said we’d probably not see him again for a while, due to the cap/LTIR issue. But at least with the Covid pause, and deadline trades, we have the flexibility now to bring him up for a late season stretch of games.

[bbllpp]

22 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Yeah, when OJ went down, I said we’d probably not see him again for a while, due to the cap/LTIR issue. But at least with the Covid pause, and deadline trades, we have the flexibility now to bring him up for a late season stretch of games.

He hasn’t looked out of place at all and the forwards need to practice receiving his laser outlets.  Once they do look out

Edited April 21, 2021 by bbllpp

[mll]

 

[mll]

On 4/21/2021 at 1:40 AM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

It’s because of LTIR. When you recall a player with ELC bonuses, while the team is using LTIR, then the entire AAV (including all ELC bonuses) needs to fit.

 

LTIR creates two “relief pools”: (1) salary relief and (2) performance bonus relief, which are determined by the contracts of the players placed on LTIR.

 

For example, Jay Beagle creates $3 million of salary relief, and $0 performance bonus relief.

 

Elias Pettersson creates $925K salary relief, and $2.85 million performance bonus relief.

 

Juolevi was an $863,333 cap hit, when he was sent down. But with LTIR, to recall Juolevi, the Canucks needed to fit his whole $1,713,333 (863,333 + 850K bonuses). 

They would need at least $863,333 in the salary relief pool and $850K in the performance bonus pool (or have enough salary relief to fit the whole thing).

 

But at one point, they had only around 300K total available in the relief pools, so they didn’t have enough space to recall Juolevi, even if swapped for Benn (and Benn waived and buried).

 

(Also, I doubt they’d have wanted to waive Benn, and send him to taxi squad to make room for OJ, as Benn likely have been claimed. Plus, Green just prefers playing Benn, and not without reason.)

 

Once the Canucks placed Pettersson on LTIR (I believe that was done March 19th or 20th), they probably* could have used the relief pools to bring up Juolevi.

*I’m not 100% sure they had enough salary relief, at that point in time (can’t remember), but I think they did.

 

And certainly once Beagle went on LTIR, IIRC around March 30th, they had more than enough in the relief pools, but by then we were getting into the Covid-19 outbreak and postponements.

 

 

When in LTIR, the demotion of a player on an ELC with bonuses adds to the bonus pool.

 

When Juolevi was sent down his own demotion created a bonus pool of 817K.  

 

It’s not his full bonus because Höglander was not on the opening night roster and had to be recalled, so his bonus initially came out of the LTIR salary pool as there was no bonus pool before the Juolevi demotion.

 

When Juolevi got demoted Höglander’s 233K bonus was moved to the newly created bonus pool, which in turn increased the salary pool by that amount on top of the Juolevi salary. 

 

Juolevi’s cap hit in LTIR is 1.913M with 863K in salary and 1.05M in bonuses per CapFriendly.  They use the contract’s aav.  

 

                                        Bonus pool         Salary pool

Juolevi demoted               +  1.05M                +  863K

Effect Höglander               -    233K                +  233K    as his bonus changed pools

Difference to pools            +   817K                +  1.096M

 

A Juolevi recall, before Pettersson went on LTIR, would bring the bonus pool back to zero and Höglander’s bonus would move back to coming out from the salary pool.

 

They had the cap room to recall Juolevi most days because the bonus pool would have covered a large portion of his bonus.  Motte was also on LTIR which increased the salary pool.  They were able to claim Vesey and activate Motte off LTIR before even using LTIR on Pettersson.  There was even an Eriksson emergency recall before that which is only a 20K difference to a Juolevi recall. 

 

The 817K bonus pool was untouched as only Juolevi and DiPietro are on ELCs.  They needed 1.096M in the salary pool which they had most of the days he sat out.

 

CapFriendly shows a bonus pool of 2.617M today after returning DiPietro to the taxi squad and Juolevi on the main roster.  

 

Per above                      817K    (Juolevi 1.05M - Höglander 233K)

Pettersson LTIR         +2.85M

Total                           3.667M   

Juolevi recall              -1.05M

Bonus pool available   2.617M

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by mll