Canucks fans fly #FireBenning banner over Vancouver

[iceman64]

On 5/19/2021 at 12:23 AM, wallstreetamigo said:

There is a lot to unpack here.

 

First, contractual law has nothing to do with it. SPC allow players to be traded, waived, bought out, etc. Subject to any clauses specifically added.

 

The ONLY reason the series against Vegas wasnt over in 5 is Demko. The only reason. Vegas dominated the Canucks in pretty much every way and no one other than Demko looked particularly outstanding.

 

Do you watch many other teams games? You should. It clarifues just how much our team is still super soft. No pushback, no consistent physical play, and not a lot of grit. Edler got speed bagged and give him credit he took it like a champ. But no pushback from the team at all was embarrassing. Nurse mugging MacEwan. Not even a facewash in a scrum from our team.

 

If this team wants to be competitive it not only needs better players, it needs an identity and heart.

well that's why it was to get rid of old contracts and that finally happened but we had gaps to fill and they were, now we're waiting on the final ones and seeing how our prospects work out and last time I looked, JB was responsible for Demko... and we weren't even supposed to be anything more than bottom 10 team for years waiting for new blood but that's almost over, all that's left is to attend to bottom 6 and D, and your complaint was my complaint for toughness for years .. this isn't new news, that's why I was so stoked with Train, shame he wasn't here but whatever, we still need some more grit with skill too though..

[wallstreetamigo]

12 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

well that's why it was to get rid of old contracts and that finally happened but we had gaps to fill and they were, now we're waiting on the final ones and seeing how our prospects work out and last time I looked, JB was responsible for Demko... and we weren't even supposed to be anything more than bottom 10 team for years waiting for new blood but that's almost over, all that's left is to attend to bottom 6 and D, and your complaint was my complaint for toughness for years .. this isn't new news, that's why I was so stoked with Train, shame he wasn't here but whatever, we still need some more grit with skill too though..

The bottom 6 is a pretty big black hole overall. But the last thing we need is more 4 year contracts for aging vets from Benning. Our D will not improve as long as Edler is playing that many minutes and they havent groomed someone to take that on. 

 

Hughes needs a lot of defensive work to avoid becoming a pp specialist type. He really is atrocious defensively at this point. He needs coaching that will help him use his strengths defensively rather than just offensively.

 

The gaps could have been filled by taking on cap relief players plus prospects and picks to take rgem on ratger than trading high picks and good players or signing guys to too much term.

 

The Csnucks will continue to suck unless management actually pinpoints an actual plan that doesnt react on day to day results. 

[lmm]

is the plane flying tomorrow?

[lmm]

is anyone burning jerseys in front of the arena tomorrow?

[lmm]

who is up for sacrificing their Canuckmobile on the Rogers front steps

[48MPHSlapShot]

On 4/21/2021 at 7:35 PM, aGENT said:

Not true. We get to laugh at a bunch of clueless morons, wasting their hard earned money 

YUP!!  

[Nuxfanabroad]

If anything, this childish venture has likely only served to ensure ownership digs in their heels with an even greater determination.

 

Serves as a rather amusing event of ironic-symbolism; to which reasonable Van fans might acknowledge hater-incompetence with a snicker.

 

In these lame-@ss, social media daze(..ys?), these dimwits have provided a galvanizing impetus for rational thought & action.

 

 

Otherwise, quite obviously an exercise in futility.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Nuxfanabroad

[wallstreetamigo]

33 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

If anything, this childish venture has likely only served to ensure ownership digs in their heels with an even greater determination.

 

Serves as a rather amusing event of ironic-symbolism; to which reasonable Van fans might acknowledge hater-incompetence with a snicker.

 

In these lame-@ss, social media daze(..ys?), these dimwits have provided a galvanizing impetus for rational thought & action.

 

 

Otherwise, quite obviously an exercise in futility.

Sports teams and executives prefer fans that will fly a banner calling for their gm to be fired over apathetic fans that dont care about the team at all though.

 

Billionaire business people dont keep a GM to troll their fanbase. They didnt care about this event when it happenedcand dont care about it now.

 

Keeping Benning was very likely largely a financial decision. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Sports teams and executives prefer fans that will fly a banner calling for their gm to be fired over apathetic fans that dont care about the team at all though.

 

Billionaire business people dont keep a GM to troll their fanbase. They didnt care about this event when it happenedcand dont care about it now.

 

Keeping Benning was very likely largely a financial decision. 

Then there are those who explain the eventual hurricane, from a butterfly flapping it's wing in far East Asia, half a world away.

 

How these aimless souls would've howled in delight, had their destructive visions been realized. Prob would've insisted and/or laid claim to having a hand in the matter.

 

Personally don't spend too much time with all these conflicts(rival fan-factions,,whatever U call it?). I hear about petty escapades, & wonder if young people could find better ways to spend time & energy? Nothing is absolute & 100%, but can't help feeling diff generations of fans sure take/see these things differently.

 

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To build something worthwhile takes time, persistence & patience. Nowadays, supply of such attributes might be running a little low.

[J-Strap]

On 4/21/2021 at 11:07 PM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Could have just given the money directly to charity. Would do more good in the world. 

Yes!  Let’s take all the money we would have used on 2021/22 Canucks tickets and donate it to charity instead!

[Curmudgeon]

Unlike every sports commentator in this town who wants to fan the flames of controversy, or even create one if none exists, I appreciate Benning's honesty and assumption of responsibility. I don't believe he is anything more than what you see: a straightforward, sincere guy who only wants to do a good job. For better or worse, he has a plan for how this team could or should be structured next season. He will not be successful in his every planned move (who is ever 100% successful in their plans?) but he will give it his best shot. And the sooner the armchair GMs accept that they have zero influence on the decisions of ownership, management or the coaching staff, the better. The only thing I know for certain is that Benning knows more about running a franchise than ANYONE on CDC, so I will trust that he wants the same things I want, which is a winning team. We may differ on how to get there, but he's the GM and I am not. And neither are you.

[iceman64]

On 5/20/2021 at 1:38 AM, wallstreetamigo said:

The bottom 6 is a pretty big black hole overall. But the last thing we need is more 4 year contracts for aging vets from Benning. Our D will not improve as long as Edler is playing that many minutes and they havent groomed someone to take that on. 

 

Hughes needs a lot of defensive work to avoid becoming a pp specialist type. He really is atrocious defensively at this point. He needs coaching that will help him use his strengths defensively rather than just offensively.

 

The gaps could have been filled by taking on cap relief players plus prospects and picks to take rgem on ratger than trading high picks and good players or signing guys to too much term.

 

The Csnucks will continue to suck unless management actually pinpoints an actual plan that doesnt react on day to day results. 

your missing it... there is no more value in bringing in vets to teach our young guys the ropes, JB simply won't do it, he doesn't need to, that's OVER!!! people need to realize this, and our bottom 6 might end up pretty good depending on Podz and if he knocks down Hogs onto 3rd line, OR if Tanner gets snagged by Seattle then it's Bo, Hogs, n Podz, which could turn into a pretty good line.. 

 Either way is fine but don't think JB will give anyone over the age of 25 ish... any long term contracts from here on in, again, it's simply NOT NEEDED!!! 

[iceman64]

On 5/19/2021 at 10:05 PM, *Buzzsaw* said:

That's why Tanev made him look like a fool in today's game when he stripped him of the puck left him marooned in the O-Zone and started a scoring play.

 

But yeah, paying $6 million for Schmidt over $4.5 million for Tanev was a brilliant move.

 

Vegas was so happy the Canucks took him off their hands... they couldn't meet the Cap with him there... not after picking up Pietrangelo as an FA.

No first tier dman has ever been caught flat footed hey? seriously? and at least Smitty would drop the gloves with almost anyone.. and do we have enough of that yet? not really..

[wallstreetamigo]

20 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

your missing it... there is no more value in bringing in vets to teach our young guys the ropes, JB simply won't do it, he doesn't need to, that's OVER!!! people need to realize this, and our bottom 6 might end up pretty good depending on Podz and if he knocks down Hogs onto 3rd line, OR if Tanner gets snagged by Seattle then it's Bo, Hogs, n Podz, which could turn into a pretty good line.. 

 Either way is fine but don't think JB will give anyone over the age of 25 ish... any long term contracts from here on in, again, it's simply NOT NEEDED!!! 

Lol did you listen to Benning today?

 

He said regarding UFA:

 

It might not be top name free agents. We are going to sign guys who we think help us get to the playoffs.

 

He said essentially the same thing in 2018 when he re-signed Granlund, Pouliot, and Baertschi, and signed Schaller, Roussel, and Beagle.

[iceman64]

On 5/22/2021 at 1:46 AM, wallstreetamigo said:

Lol did you listen to Benning today?

 

He said regarding UFA:

 

It might not be top name free agents. We are going to sign guys who we think help us get to the playoffs.

 

He said essentially the same thing in 2018 when he re-signed Granlund, Pouliot, and Baertschi, and signed Schaller, Roussel, and Beagle.

yes I did, but you won't see him signing any UFA for a long term deal to be a mentor, our young guys still need leadership but our boys are turning into young men but in a couple of years we'll be fine, that's the problem with so much youth, it's great to build a team like that, it still needs time, ask the Oilers about that one when they had so many 1st picks, Ryan Smith hung around a bit but see what happened to them.. that's text book too much youth and not enough mentorship, there has to be mentorship, period, but for how long depends on maturity development and obviously we're a cpl years away from that still, no, no one wants it to be like this but we're at least headed in a good direction.. 

 I bet JB wishes everyone who doesn't get the big picture to see how much of an impact that Beagle, Sutter, Rous, LE (i still hate him lol) have had on working on a 200 ft game with our young guys BUT that will only happen over time as we progress. 

Building a team with youth goes completely against the mindset of sell the farm win it all now, which has been here for so long the best we got normally is a great soft seasonal team, then bounced out after the 1rd... 

 I'm tired of that, I was tired of that years ago, thank God it got torn down! I don't care what next year even looks like, it's more important building a playoff team and a true contender we can watch EVERY year not just F'n 2 in 40 years..  

[TheRussianRocket1994]

On 5/21/2021 at 12:10 PM, Curmudgeon said:

Unlike every sports commentator in this town who wants to fan the flames of controversy, or even create one if none exists, I appreciate Benning's honesty and assumption of responsibility. I don't believe he is anything more than what you see: a straightforward, sincere guy who only wants to do a good job. For better or worse, he has a plan for how this team could or should be structured next season. He will not be successful in his every planned move (who is ever 100% successful in their plans?) but he will give it his best shot. And the sooner the armchair GMs accept that they have zero influence on the decisions of ownership, management or the coaching staff, the better. The only thing I know for certain is that Benning knows more about running a franchise than ANYONE on CDC, so I will trust that he wants the same things I want, which is a winning team. We may differ on how to get there, but he's the GM and I am not. And neither are you.

Very well said!! 

[wallstreetamigo]

54 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

yes I did, but you won't see him signing any UFA for a long term deal to be a mentor, our young guys still need leadership but our boys are turning into young men but in a couple of years we'll be fine, that's the problem with so much youth, it's great to build a team like that, it still needs time, ask the Oilers about that one when they had so many 1st picks, Ryan Smith hung around a bit but see what happened to them.. that's text book too much youth and not enough mentorship, there has to be mentorship, period, but for how long depends on maturity development and obviously we're a cpl years away from that still, no, no one wants it to be like this but we're at least headed in a good direction.. 

 I bet JB wishes everyone who doesn't get the big picture to see how much of an impact that Beagle, Sutter, Rous, LE (i still hate him lol) have had on working on a 200 ft game with our young guys BUT that will only happen over time as we progress. 

Building a team with youth goes completely against the mindset of sell the farm win it all now, which has been here for so long the best we got normally is a great soft seasonal team, then bounced out after the 1rd... 

 I'm tired of that, I was tired of that years ago, thank God it got torn down! I don't care what next year even looks like, it's more important building a playoff team and a true contender we can watch EVERY year not just F'n 2 in 40 years..  

The Oilers actually brought in a lot of veteran leadership in their bottom 6 and on D. They just werent very good players that couldnt help the team all that much.

 

It doesnt sound like Benning is going to fill holes with young players. He talked about being aggressive with trades and ufa signings. So really it sounds like his approach is going to be more "go for it" than "patience with young players". I do hope that doesnt mean we see mid term contracts for bottom 6 guys like 2018.

 

 

[iceman64]

25 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

The Oilers actually brought in a lot of veteran leadership in their bottom 6 and on D. They just werent very good players that couldnt help the team all that much.

 

It doesnt sound like Benning is going to fill holes with young players. He talked about being aggressive with trades and ufa signings. So really it sounds like his approach is going to be more "go for it" than "patience with young players". I do hope that doesnt mean we see mid term contracts for bottom 6 guys like 2018.

 

 

 Uh not really on the Oilers, the next older players were early 20's and your right, not very good, so had they quality players to assist them in mentorship, they would have been a different team today.

 If the right deal comes along he will go for it but the days of 4 year contracts to anyone except our core isn't going to happen.. just the way it is, the media just made so much of it like it was going to continue but it simply doesn't need to happen unless he does something on D where it's worth it, our top 6 is good, bottom 6 is the easier part, especially when after next season people are in the building again and the cap goes up which is going to help in more ways than one, but point is, we have the skill to score BUT playing team defense needs to be a lot better and not just at D but everyone, consistently, people tend to forget that with so many contracts coming off and players coming in its hard to compete with experienced teams with set lines who have played together for awhile, again, people have/are expecting too much, however we're not far off.. people need to see that too.. 

[wallstreetamigo]

49 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

 Uh not really on the Oilers, the next older players were early 20's and your right, not very good, so had they quality players to assist them in mentorship, they would have been a different team today.

 If the right deal comes along he will go for it but the days of 4 year contracts to anyone except our core isn't going to happen.. just the way it is, the media just made so much of it like it was going to continue but it simply doesn't need to happen unless he does something on D where it's worth it, our top 6 is good, bottom 6 is the easier part, especially when after next season people are in the building again and the cap goes up which is going to help in more ways than one, but point is, we have the skill to score BUT playing team defense needs to be a lot better and not just at D but everyone, consistently, people tend to forget that with so many contracts coming off and players coming in its hard to compete with experienced teams with set lines who have played together for awhile, again, people have/are expecting too much, however we're not far off.. people need to see that too.. 

The Oilers attempts to surround their young top 6 guys with veteran leadership that wasnt overly effective on the ice was more similar to Bennings strategy than people care to remember.

 

The 2014-15 Oilers with their young players prior to McDavid:

 

Young F - Yakupov, Draisaitl, Hall, Nugent Hopkins, Eberle

 

Young D - Nurse, Klefbom, Schultz

 

Veterans on the Roster - 

C - Boyd Gordon, Derek Roy, Rob Klinkhammer

LW - Matt Hendricks, Benoit Pouliot, David Perron (age 26)

RW - Steve Pinizotto, Teddy Purcell

D - Mark Fayne, Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference

[kanucks25]

On 5/21/2021 at 12:10 PM, Curmudgeon said:

Unlike every sports commentator in this town who wants to fan the flames of controversy, or even create one if none exists, I appreciate Benning's honesty and assumption of responsibility. I don't believe he is anything more than what you see: a straightforward, sincere guy who only wants to do a good job. For better or worse, he has a plan for how this team could or should be structured next season. He will not be successful in his every planned move (who is ever 100% successful in their plans?) but he will give it his best shot. And the sooner the armchair GMs accept that they have zero influence on the decisions of ownership, management or the coaching staff, the better. The only thing I know for certain is that Benning knows more about running a franchise than ANYONE on CDC, so I will trust that he wants the same things I want, which is a winning team. We may differ on how to get there, but he's the GM and I am not. And neither are you.

What a wonderful world we live in where everybody is great at their job and everyone is working exactly the job they are perfectly suited for.