BertaNuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 http://www.tankathon.com/nhl take the wheel for a spin! as the season winds down to an end and playoffs sailing away it’s time to look towards next season and the decisions we have to make after a season that falls well below expectations when the Canucks should have made a leap forward. Draft with COVID making scouting hard and the draft order being some what unpredictable are you ok with moving the first round pick to move a bad contract? If Vancouver was to have a top 10-15 pick would you trade it as a package to try and move down to land Hughes? If the draft voodoo leaves Vancouver and the Canucks get first over all...with the unpredictable rankings would you trade it to move a contract and move up to try and land Hughes? Roster Is it finally time to move on from virtanen? Rebuild the bottom six? Add a top six winger? Buy out some contracts? Does green deserve one more year? Is Jim safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, Filthy McNasty said: Is it finally time to move on from virtanen? Rebuild the bottom six? Add a top six winger? Buy out some contracts? Does green deserve one more year? Is Jim safe? 1. Petey should be looking at somewhere between 6 to 7 million/year depending if he goes for a 3 year or a 5-6 year contract. 2. Quinn will most likely sign a short 3 year, 5 mil/year deal. He's had a really bad year but he'll come back stronger next year, he's really young. 3. Podkolzin is coming in on an ELC. Those are pretty much shoe-ins... Everything else can be debated, but we can pretty much pencil Podkolzin in on the 3rd/4th line and on our PK. JT, Horvat, Boeser, Elias, Hoglander, Pearson, Motte, Podkolzin --> 8 forwards spoken for Quinn, Schmidt, Myers, Juolevi, Chatfield --> 5 dmen spoken for, although Chatfield might be #7 dman My wishes are 1. Tryamkin 2. Hamonic brought back 3. David Savard (he would become our best d-man overnight) 4. A chance for Rathbone, Woo, Lind, Lockwood, Focht, Jasek and Gadjovich to have a spot (not all of them, obviously). We won't be a Stanley Cup contender next year, and that's okay. We just need to not spend every last cent on free agency this summer, that's all I want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Nope keep your picks.............a buy out ...ok! Edited April 30, 2021 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I got Vancouver #1....whooohooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Fans aren't going to want to hear this, but I think we're likely going to finish bottom 5 or 6 in the league now. We look totally gassed out there, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Looking forward to a bit of a reset this off season and seeing them come back younger and stronger next season. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Fans aren't going to want to hear this, but I think we're likely going to finish bottom 5 or 6 in the league now. We look totally gassed out there, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Looking forward to a bit of a reset this off season and seeing them come back younger and stronger next season. Good, we get a better draft pick that way most likely. This season was over a while ago when petey went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Filthy McNasty said: http://www.tankathon.com/nhl take the wheel for a spin! as the season winds down to an end and playoffs sailing away it’s time to look towards next season and the decisions we have to make after a season that falls well below expectations when the Canucks should have made a leap forward. Draft with COVID making scouting hard and the draft order being some what unpredictable are you ok with moving the first round pick to move a bad contract? If Vancouver was to have a top 10-15 pick would you trade it as a package to try and move down to land Hughes? If the draft voodoo leaves Vancouver and the Canucks get first over all...with the unpredictable rankings would you trade it to move a contract and move up to try and land Hughes? Roster Is it finally time to move on from virtanen? Rebuild the bottom six? Add a top six winger? Buy out some contracts? Does green deserve one more year? Is Jim safe? Long overdue. Jimbo should be long gone, way over due he is complete dog $&!# at his job. Unfortunately Aquaman will keep his yes man hired on. And we are not getting a 10-15 we will be a 1-8 pick, most likely top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Got 10th pick. We need to go deeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 spins of the wheel vancouver only moved from 10th once and that was to 1st overall... according to the wheel for me, the sabres or ducks will get the 1st overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I stand by my statement. Hughes and Pettersson will not be getting massive contracts due to the covid issue. They will sign 1 maybe 2 year bridge deals for between 6.25 and 7.5 million per year Green has to go, as does the defensive coach. Sorry but there's little to no excuse at this point in time for the same issues to be so present in the system for so long. I am still 50/50 on Benning because his one ice product is as much a product of the ownership and AGM as it is his. At days end he can try to do stuff but we all know there IS a money man who will have the final say. I'd love to see Gallant behind the bench here and the London Knights duo of the Hunters int he front office. But i'd also like the first overall pick this and next year so.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Unless there's a young ELC RHD or C who's a blue chipper being offered for our pick, I'd say we keep it and make the BPA pick. Not moving it to dump a contract. Re: the roster I'd be ready to move on from Virtanen; if Faksa's not available from Dallas I'd trade Jake to Buffalo for Cody Eakin and try him as a reclamation project. He averages around 0.4 points/ game, can PK, is good on draws (around 50%) and primarily scores points through assists so he could probably help the line gel with his passes. Then I'd dangle a mid-round pick to have Seattle take Roussel. Presuming Beagle and Ferland will remain on the IR, re-sign Sutter for cheap (say $2 million) and have him on the 4th line. Podkolzin - Eakin/ Faksa - Lind (potentially strong two-way unit) Motte - Sutter - Highmore (good motors from the wingers to help Sutter) Then on the back-end re-sign Hamonic (Savard would be a pipedream given the cost) and either replace Edler with Juolevi or someone else since his lack of footspeed concerns me. Also hope we axe the defensive coach since the breakdowns as a unit are glaring. Hughes - Hamonic (ride or die with Quinn, so might as well get him a regular partner) Juolevi/ other LHD - Schmidt (could become a big minute pair depending on how Juolevi develops) Rathbone - Myers (I'd personally sub in Chatfield regularly just to get defensive stability, but could also see the appeal to play Jack pretty regularly) Edited April 30, 2021 by Phil_314 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1. IMO, QH doesn't get more than 6 mil on a short term deal. If I'm JB, I start by offering 4.5 mil x 2 years and settle around 5-5.5. 2. EP deserves and will get 6 mil or more. If it's a bridge deal it will be around 6. If it's a long term deal, then I don't know. Maybe Aho is a good comparable? 3. With Travis not given an extension thus far, my guess is that the owners want to move on from him and find another coach. Get that done before the free agency so that whoever we hire can have an input on who to sign. 4. Bottom 6 needs an overhaul. Assuming Beagle is out long term and that Sutter is not re-signed, we have to find and sign 2 centers. It's not going to be easy. I would test the trade market for Virtanen to acquire a 3C/4C and find one via UFA market. 5. I would then try to improve RHD depth if possible. I'd definitely try to sign Tryamkin and re-sign Edler after the expansion draft. I'm perfectly happy to rolle with Edler, Schmidt, Hughes, Myers, Tryamkin, Juolevi + a new RHD signing. The salary cap will likely prevent us from affording anyone better than Hamonic. If so, keeping Hamonic is a good option. 6. Lastly, I will address the bottom 6. Assuming Virtanen is traded for a center depth, we will have Motte, Podkolzin, Lind, Highmore, and MacEwen. For me, MacEwen doesn't bring enough to warrant a regular NHL roster spot. Highmore is not bad but I'd prefer a player with little more size that can impact the game with his physical play. I would look to add a player that upgrades on the size department with decent wheels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) FYI. Some of the draft boards have Luke Hughes going 1st. I think they will resign Green. I really don't care at this stage. I would really like to see a veteran team builder signed as president. I hope they don't do anything crazy for next year. Try to fill the bottom six with low cost short term pieces. Give priorities to players from with in our own org. 2022 they will no exactly where they sit with the cap and what holes need to be filled. Hopping that Jim is not making those deals by himself. There is a few solid D 's to chose from in this draft but there is also a few centers. Matthew Beniers and Kent Johnson are ones of note. Kent Johnson is from BC. Both would make a solid second line center. Johnson has high end skill and may have a top line ceiling. All of the top choice that are being promoted by the scouting system have been playing this year. So they should be easily evaluated. There will however be a ton of players this year that have struggled to get much playing time. There will be a few players that get picked who turn out to be an absolute steal. Teams will be trying to forecast untapped developmental potential as they select this year. Hopefully Jim can find a gem in the lower picks. There has already been several contract offers sent to Green. That means that they want him back and they are trying to get for cheap. My guess is that Green will get what he wants. Edited April 30, 2021 by appleboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I wasn't thinking a Virtanen buyout would ever be a real thing, but after reading what @Warhippy had to say about Jake's antics, I can see the team cutting ties and moving on. So thats a quick 2 mil in new cap right there to go to the UFA board for some bottom 6 upgrade. Buyout Loui and we're up to 4. All the talkathon board tells us is we're pretty much guaranteed to land at 10 right now. We won't be bad enough for top 5 so for me, take the best RHD available on the board unless somehow Wallstedt is still there and then you take him and solidify our goaltending for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 i could see us after the toronto game, 2 winnipeg games and 4 edmonton games not having many more points than we've got now. i think we could end up in the bottom 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Get a new GM in there NOW! So at least that GM can trade assets for picks. We need picks. Benning has never been able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wasn't thinking a Virtanen buyout would ever be a real thing, but after reading what @Warhippy had to say about Jake's antics, I can see the team cutting ties and moving on. So thats a quick 2 mil in new cap right there to go to the UFA board for some bottom 6 upgrade. Buyout Loui and we're up to 4. All the talkathon board tells us is we're pretty much guaranteed to land at 10 right now. We won't be bad enough for top 5 so for me, take the best RHD available on the board unless somehow Wallstedt is still there and then you take him and solidify our goaltending for a decade. 1302-1315 of the Virtanen thread Between his statements last summer and his play this year and much of his career i'm ready to move on. I also believe that we won't be hesitant to dangle a contract to Seattle because nobody is going to want to create another Vegas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Get a new GM in there NOW! So at least that GM can trade assets for picks. We need picks. Benning has never been able to do that. Ufff I don’t know about picks ... That would be the earliest stage of a rebuild and we’re luckily past that. I think we are missing one more top 6 forward and one more solid dman. We have about 10 solid prospects coming up the pipeline. Anyways I wouldn’t mind a new GM but since we’re already close to the draft, we should let Jim give us one more good crop and then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: Ufff I don’t know about picks ... That would be the earliest stage of a rebuild and we’re luckily past that. You use extra picks to help unload garbage contracts one might sign (and *ALL* GMs make mistakes, look at multiple Cup winner (different teams as well) as GM Jim Rutherford. Guy was stupid enough to give us a decent player for Gudbranson (who was anything but "Good"). Or you use one of those extra picks to get Seattle to pick or avoid picking a player. Edited April 30, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: 1302-1315 of the Virtanen thread Between his statements last summer and his play this year and much of his career i'm ready to move on. I also believe that we won't be hesitant to dangle a contract to Seattle because nobody is going to want to create another Vegas I really doubt Seattle would waste their selection on him. We may even see him on waivers before this year is done. Im glad you posted that info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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