canuckleheads fan Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 We know that the vast majority of sexual assault survivors never come forward, so I support her. From a quick Google search I was surprised to see that there is no statute of limitations in BC for sexual assault cases. The problem is that the alleged crime happened three and a half years ago, so short of credit card evidence, even proving they were at the hotel will be tough. It's unlikely that any physical evidence remains; cell phone tower data is long gone; as is surveillance video. Google location services might be helpful. One key will be whether she told other people at the time, and whether those witnesses recall similar details. These cases are really hard to prove, especially if she went to a hotel with him voluntarily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: Haha But seriously if I was a defense attorney I would tell him I don't want to know if he did it I would so pressure him to deny it even if he did it my morals are not like others. I believe an accuser should have undeniable prove other wise shut up keep it to yourself. But that is because guilty means something to me. If someone is going to get convicted they better have done something wrong. Rape is wrong. This story is so Grey when I first read it I thought a guy wrote it it sounded like a porn plot Is this ever going to happen to Horvat? Or Edler? No. Why? Cause they don’t put themselves in these situations. The don’t get blasted every weekend and act like a big deal. Why do These accusations only happen to douchebags? Jake Virtanen is a douchebag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDLax16 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NaveJoseph said: Sorry, I thought he may have just molested her or made unwanted advances. This is a sensitive topic and I don't think it's helpful to make Simpsons references. You don't have to be a total dick about it. Maybe, but the impression I got was that you were being absolutely insane. I get the impression now that the (alleged)forced penetration aspect was news to you. I think you may be human after all. Wanna take a re-captcha just to be safe? J/k Edited May 2, 2021 by JDLax16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Just now, JDLax16 said: Maybe, but the impression I got was that you were being absolutely insane. I get the impression now that the forced penetration aspect was news to you. I think you may be human after all. Wanna take a re-captcha just to be safe? J/k If it's not apparent enough already, I did not read enough of the thread before posting. I really don't like how you suggested I'm inhuman just because I was misinformed. I know people very close to me who have been raped, and have seen firsthand the havoc PTSD has wreaked on their minds. And, I have sexual trauma myself. You have to admit, "sexual misconduct" is a very vague term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Law of Goalies said: 1. History of making poor decisions does not mean rape. 2. Protocol 3. When people bring pitchforks and flood your media accounts, wouldn't you close your accounts? 4. The legal and investigation process takes time, you dont just come out and deny and it will go away. 5. You are already making judgment against him. ...and you're the 2nd one to quote me, yet conveniently forget I said he is innocent until proven guilty. For all the decent points you make, I can cite other somewhat similar cases with other athletes where different decisions were made. Honestly, I hope nothing more than for this to be false. But I'm also SO done with the drama that follows Jake. It's the same reason I never wanted Evander Kane here. Immaturity leads to bad decision making which in turn becomes a burden on the team. I can't say I expected this, however... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDLax16 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, NaveJoseph said: If it's not apparent enough already, I did not read enough of the thread before posting. I really don't like how you suggested I'm inhuman just because I was misinformed. I know people very close to me who have been raped, and have seen firsthand the havoc PTSD has wreaked on their minds. And, I have sexual trauma myself. You have to admit, "sexual misconduct" is a very vague term. My follow up post covered the misunderstanding. I’m moving on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: I, too, read the original tweets of the account. No matter what comes of this, I'm pretty sure Jake'll be gone in a straw that breaks the camel's back deal. It is a matter of innocent until proven guilty, but just being in a situation where this is possible is likely enough. Sad situation all around. , "but just being in a situation where this is possible is likely enough " Very well said. It's called being a professional. You have to be smart when your in the spotlight with your personal life. Regardless, Jake wasn't. If it just affected him that would be one thing, but it affects everyone on his team and organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I am not taking a stance, but whenever I see things like... - Happened in 2017, 4 years ago. - Girl meets guy, guy takes her to hotel room. I mean come on. As a woman, a guy you are not familiar with takes you to a hotel room? And you still go willingly thinking nothing will happen? - It's freaking 2021, there is really no shame or barrier to report a sexual harrassment - right away. Not 4 years later. I mean it could be Virtanen is in the wrong here. But whenever I see points like the above it just sounds fishy to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) I think it’s time to go separate ways with Jake. It was debatable before these allegations I think this just confirms that’s it the right move for the team. His decision making in the past has been questionable and I think every effort has been done to try and make it work. Maybe a change of scenery is the wake up call for Jake to save his career. Edited May 2, 2021 by High and Inside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Was reading HF Boards and one poster said that all he saw was "Canuck player alleged sexual misconduct." The first player that came to his mind was Jake Virtanen. And as I thought about it, Jake also would have been my first assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: Was reading HF Boards 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: He is a contract lawyer that gets owned in contract threads here. So in other words, he's a 'contract killer'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 11 hours ago, CupIsComing said: Lots to figure out here. Happened 3.5 years ago, alleged victim is going to media now. Why? Says the victim has contacted police, ok when? If at time of alleged offense then obviously the police have done nothing, therefore they have nothing. Delayed timelines and media interviews do not lend credibility to the story. Horrible take. Victims of rape should go to authorities when ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 To be honest everyone defending Jake just because he puts on a Canucks jersey should give their head a shake. I'm very pro cop and innocent until proven guilty but you shouldn't be defending this kid as is because he plays for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, Drakrami said: I am not taking a stance, but whenever I see things like... - Happened in 2017, 4 years ago. - Girl meets guy, guy takes her to hotel room. I mean come on. As a woman, a guy you are not familiar with takes you to a hotel room? And you still go willingly thinking nothing will happen? - It's freaking 2021, there is really no shame or barrier to report a sexual harrassment - right away. Not 4 years later. I mean it could be Virtanen is in the wrong here. But whenever I see points like the above it just sounds fishy to me. I get what you're saying--especially the part about being invited to a hotel room--but I take umbrage with you saying there's "no shame," cause a lot of victims feel shame. They think, "Is it my fault I put myself in that position? Did I not say 'No' enough times? Was it the way I dressed?" etc. There are so many things that could go through their minds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law of Goalies Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, kloubek said: ...and you're the 2nd one to quote me, yet conveniently forget I said he is innocent until proven guilty. For all the decent points you make, I can cite other somewhat similar cases with other athletes where different decisions were made. Honestly, I hope nothing more than for this to be false. But I'm also SO done with the drama that follows Jake. It's the same reason I never wanted Evander Kane here. Immaturity leads to bad decision making which in turn becomes a burden on the team. I can't say I expected this, however... Anyone can type "innocent until proven guilty" but really meaning it, is a different thing. Based on your post, it clearly shows you have a biased stance already, and is merely typing that just to "sound" unbiased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, Drakrami said: I am not taking a stance, but whenever I see things like... - Happened in 2017, 4 years ago. - Girl meets guy, guy takes her to hotel room. I mean come on. As a woman, a guy you are not familiar with takes you to a hotel room? And you still go willingly thinking nothing will happen? - It's freaking 2021, there is really no shame or barrier to report a sexual harrassment - right away. Not 4 years later. I mean it could be Virtanen is in the wrong here. But whenever I see points like the above it just sounds fishy to me. You say this until it's your daughter/sister/niece/etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I’m back on iPad,no skills on iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I haven’t read the entire thread nor the article on the Idiot... Was it in a hotel room? If it was, did anyone talk about how it’s Covid and he should be a millionaire professional about his conduct? This kid’s a chump. He should be let go from the Canucks. Whether it’s sexual misconduct or not, what is he doing meeting with a woman during these times, further endangering his fellow teammates. Ive had enough with this kid regardless of whether he’s guilty or not. This guy is dead to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, BoKnows said: You say this until it's your daughter/sister/niece/etc. If it is someone close to me and they went with a guy they dont know too well to a hotel. Well yeah I'd be really mad. But I'll for sure comment on how stupid that decision is. The world is survival of the fittest out there. If you are stupid enough to go to a hotel with a guy, then.... Who can help you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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